Bulld0g8588 wrote: Do those ivy schools even offer full rides? I get the feeling that parents or loans have to help.

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

1IvyDog wrote:

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

YALE of COURSE!  Harvard is a nice community college but Yale is the BEST!  In all seriousness an Ivy League education opens doors that most of us can only dream of.  The Ivies don't give academic scholarships.  All scholarships are based on need.  Athletes are given preference with admissions and financial aid is given based on the families Debt/Income ratio.  The Ivies have been making a strong push for middle class families.  Harvard and Yale offer students full rides for anyone whose families make $125.000 per year or less and a sliding scale above $125,000.  The threshold is $105,00 at Columbia.  These numbers are based on a family of four.

**Disclaimer**  I didn't graduate from Yale but my wife did.  I went to Columbia for Grad School and used to work in the Athletic Department.

anointed1sux wrote:

1IvyDog wrote:

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

YALE of COURSE!  Harvard is a nice community college but Yale is the BEST!  In all seriousness an Ivy League education opens doors that most of us can only dream of.  The Ivies don't give academic scholarships.  All scholarships are based on need.  Athletes are given preference with admissions and financial aid is given based on the families Debt/Income ratio.  The Ivies have been making a strong push for middle class families.  Harvard and Yale offer students full rides for anyone whose families make $125.000 per year or less and a sliding scale above $125,000.  The threshold is $105,00 at Columbia.  These numbers are based on a family of four.

**Disclaimer**  I didn't graduate from Yale but my wife did.  I went to Columbia for Grad School and used to work in the Athletic Department.

While it must have sucked to clean the locker room toilets and showers, I commend your work ethic.

1IvyDog wrote:

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

YALE of COURSE!  Harvard is a nice community college but Yale is the BEST!  In all seriousness an Ivy League education opens doors that most of us can only dream of.  The Ivies don't give academic scholarships.  All scholarships are based on need.  Athletes are given preference with admissions and financial aid is given based on the families Debt/Income ratio.  The Ivies have been making a strong push for middle class families.  Harvard and Yale offer students full rides for anyone whose families make $125.000 per year or less and a sliding scale above $125,000.  The threshold is $105,00 at Columbia.  These numbers are based on a family of four.

**Disclaimer**  I didn't graduate from Yale but my wife did.  I went to Columbia for Grad School and used to work in the Athletic Department.

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

anointed1sux wrote:

Bulld0g8588 wrote: Do those ivy schools even offer full rides? I get the feeling that parents or loans have to help.

In response to the OP, and nothing against mid-majors, but I would send them to the IVY league schools as long as my kid promised

1) to not major in some random elist crap subject
2) not be afraid to tell some elitist professor to go f*ck themselves when needed

8588 you are correct they don't offer full rides but I think since they are private they have much more flexiblity in offering "finacial aid" to those in need.  Given the cost to attend those institutions, many need the aid and would qualify for grants/awards that take care of the cost.

qwertsod wrote: Easy, I'd try to steer them towards the Ivy League. Just as posted above, there are other schools As well I'd do the same for just because of the value of the degree and the opportiunties post graduation. (Stanford, USC, Northwestern, Duke, Michigan, UVa, etc)

If you're talented, the NFL will find you. Ask Jerry Rice.

OrthoDogFan wrote: Ivy's don't offer ANY scholarships, athletic or academic.  100% of financial arrangements are needs based.  As 1IvyDog posted, if your family earns below a certain threshold (it was $85,000/year at Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, 3 yrs ago when our son was being recruited), your education is 100% paid for.  Athletics help a few people get in when they would be otherwise be inadmissible but no $$$ help in any way for anyone earning above the threshold.

In answer to the original question, I would absolutely advise going to an Ivy if financially able.  Very few people make a living in professional sports (I heard the Stanford coach tell a bunch of kids on a recruiting trip that in 25 years of coaching baseball there, only 9 of his players had ever made an impact at the major league level so focus on education was his main message).  An Ivy League degree equals an average salary of nearly $250,000/yr for their graduates within a few years of graduation.  Our son didn't take the Ivy offers mainly because he wanted to play in warmer weather.  In the end he chose a smaller, private institution, in a great city, with great academics, AND a scholarship.  I happy with his choice since he is pursuing a career in health care so an Ivy degree is less critical in that field but in most careers, an Ivy education is worth every cent you pay for it.

steinbornfs wrote: I used to feel that way, because Fresno State was all I could afford. But when I went to graduate school, I went to UCLA and UCI, and that was a world of difference. Go to this web site, which is maintained by MIT, and sit through one or two of their video lectures. I think the difference in level will be self-evident.

                                 ocw.mit.edu

BadDawg wrote:

anointed1sux wrote:

Bulld0g8588 wrote: Do those ivy schools even offer full rides? I get the feeling that parents or loans have to help.

In response to the OP, and nothing against mid-majors, but I would send them to the IVY league schools as long as my kid promised

1) to not major in some random elist crap subject
2) not be afraid to tell some elitist professor to go f*ck themselves when needed

8588 you are correct they don't offer full rides but I think since they are private they have much more flexiblity in offering "finacial aid" to those in need.  Given the cost to attend those institutions, many need the aid and would qualify for grants/awards that take care of the cost.

1Sux, your post invites a number of questions:

How many Ivy League profs have you met?

I really can't answer this question accurately since i know some people i have were and some people I have met might have been but didn't announce it on a megaphone (I don't actually mean megaphone but you get the point)

Which profs were elitists, and why?

The ones that have a weird inferiority complex that they try to hide by talking in circles about a whole lot of nothing.

What is an "elitist crap subject?"

Some of those worthless literature and philosophy bullsh7t majors fall into that category

When does a prof need to be told to "go f*ck themselves?"

When they act like you are, so go f*ck yourself

If you had a kid, I take it you would rather (s)he be educated to be literate, open minded without biases, prejudices and stereotypes as foundations for his/her life, and, above all, be thoughtful and articulate like you?

I do have a kiddo that is very literate, articulate and well read for a Sophomore in highschool and forms her own opinions. Unfortunately not real athletic but I will blame that on her mothers side of the family.Some of them can't walk and chew gum at the same time, but good people none the less. 

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.

BadDawg wrote:

 

1Sux, your post invites a number of questions:

How many Ivy League profs have you met?

Which profs were elitists, and why?

What is an "elitist crap subject?"

When does a prof need to be told to "go f*ck themselves?"

If you had a kid, I take it you would rather (s)he be educated to be literate, open minded without biases, prejudices and stereotypes as foundations for his/her life, and, above all, be thoughtful and articulate like you?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.

12and4 wrote: i would ask my kid where he/she wanted to go....

sparticulous wrote: +1

Yeah... great advice to pass on to your kid. This clown is going to make one helluva parent some day. Advise your kids to tell a college professor (no less) to fk off based on ignorant myths and infantile stereotypes propagated mostly by people who have never met an Ivy League professor and will never set foot in an Ivy League classroom. Of course, his "football forum" moniker nearly says it all. He probably thinks Sean Hannity (college dropout and ignoramus extraordinaire) is God's gift to intellectualism. 

BadDawg wrote:

 

1Sux, your post invites a number of questions:

How many Ivy League profs have you met?

Which profs were elitists, and why?

What is an "elitist crap subject?"

When does a prof need to be told to "go f*ck themselves?"

If you had a kid, I take it you would rather (s)he be educated to be literate, open minded without biases, prejudices and stereotypes as foundations for his/her life, and, above all, be thoughtful and articulate like you?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.

anointed1sux wrote:

sparticulous wrote: +1

Yeah... great advice to pass on to your kid. This clown is going to make one helluva parent some day. Advise your kids to tell a college professor (no less) to fk off based on ignorant myths and infantile stereotypes propagated mostly by people who have never met an Ivy League professor and will never set foot in an Ivy League classroom. Of course, his "football forum" moniker nearly says it all. He probably thinks Sean Hannity (college dropout and ignoramus extraordinaire) is God's gift to intellectualism. 

BadDawg wrote:

 

1Sux, your post invites a number of questions:

How many Ivy League profs have you met?

Which profs were elitists, and why?

What is an "elitist crap subject?"

When does a prof need to be told to "go f*ck themselves?"

If you had a kid, I take it you would rather (s)he be educated to be literate, open minded without biases, prejudices and stereotypes as foundations for his/her life, and, above all, be thoughtful and articulate like you?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.

Sounds like I hit a nerve there SpartSHITulous.   While I can't remember the last time I watched Sean Hannity, I find it interesting that you are calling the man an ignoramus because he has an opinion different than yours and he didn't finish college. A college degree is not an indicator of a person's intelligence, nor is a differing opinion.   See this is where you slow people can't keep up.  You ma'am would fall in the "go **** yourself" category.

anointed1sux wrote:

BadDawg wrote:

anointed1sux wrote:

Bulld0g8588 wrote: Do those ivy schools even offer full rides? I get the feeling that parents or loans have to help.

In response to the OP, and nothing against mid-majors, but I would send them to the IVY league schools as long as my kid promised

1) to not major in some random elist crap subject
2) not be afraid to tell some elitist professor to go f*ck themselves when needed

8588 you are correct they don't offer full rides but I think since they are private they have much more flexiblity in offering "finacial aid" to those in need.  Given the cost to attend those institutions, many need the aid and would qualify for grants/awards that take care of the cost.

1Sux, your post invites a number of questions:

How many Ivy League profs have you met?

I really can't answer this question accurately since i know some people i have were and some people I have met might have been but didn't announce it on a megaphone (I don't actually mean megaphone but you get the point)

####  Whatever you say (said). One thing is clear, that being the basis for your negative feelings toward academia.

Which profs were elitists, and why?

The ones that have a weird inferiority complex that they try to hide by talking in circles about a whole lot of nothing.

#### That appears to be an area in which you excel.

What is an "elitist crap subject?"

Some of those worthless literature and philosophy bullsh7t majors fall into that category

#### Literature and philosophy are b.s.???  It is evident that those are subjects that you were able to avoid.

When does a prof need to be told to "go f*ck themselves?"

When they act like you are, so go f*ck yourself

####  Get counseling; if you already are, demand a refund.

If you had a kid, I take it you would rather (s)he be educated to be literate, open minded without biases, prejudices and stereotypes as foundations for his/her life, and, above all, be thoughtful and articulate like you?

I do have a kiddo that is very literate, articulate and well read for a Sophomore in highschool and forms her own opinions.

#### Mutations do happen. BTW, if literature is b.s., why do you list literacy and being well read as positives for your child? 

Is this an example of how parents should encourage a child to be literate, articulate and form his/her own opinion? 

"In response to the OP, and nothing against mid-majors, but I would send them to the IVY league schools as long as my kid promised

1) to not major in some random elist crap subject
2) not be afraid to tell some elitist professor to go f*ck themselves when needed"

Unfortunately not real athletic but I will blame that on her mothers side of the family.Some of them can't walk and chew gum at the same time, but good people none the less.

####  The fact that you assign blame to others for what you perceive to be a deficiency is no surprise.    

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.

#### I should have waited for this one.

1IvyDog wrote:

dieharddog wrote: and mid major, maybe a low tier BCS school.....would you push your son towards a better education or better competition? 

I was looking at a prospects offers and he had both Yale and Harvard but also mid majors and I think Cal. As a parent what would you do? I know this is not Fresno State based, although he did have interest in FS...I think lol

I am of the opinion that my sons education takes a back seat to sports. Sports are great but an education is great-er.

YALE of COURSE!  Harvard is a nice community college but Yale is the BEST!  In all seriousness an Ivy League education opens doors that most of us can only dream of.  The Ivies don't give academic scholarships.  All scholarships are based on need.  Athletes are given preference with admissions and financial aid is given based on the families Debt/Income ratio.  The Ivies have been making a strong push for middle class families.  Harvard and Yale offer students full rides for anyone whose families make $125.000 per year or less and a sliding scale above $125,000.  The threshold is $105,00 at Columbia.  These numbers are based on a family of four.

**Disclaimer**  I didn't graduate from Yale but my wife did.  I went to Columbia for Grad School and used to work in the Athletic Department.

steinbornfs wrote: ***********************
 If your kid is a mathematics or science wiz, an MIT or Cal Tech may just be the best place for them.
**********************

Really? You think it would be wise to send your kids to degree mills like MIT or CalTech?