thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

ZagFan559 wrote:

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

No.

Wait for Fang to come and set you straight sir.

Get on your knees and thank BSU, and send them some $$$$. Boise is our daddy again, just off the field this time.

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

Fang,
there has been a standing offer to Fresno since before the BE added Tulane, the problem was that Fresno said show me the money$$$$$.....

It was a little different for Fresno then for BSU and SDSU....Fresno new they were not going into a long tern AQ type of conf. where as SDSU and BSU thought they were...

5150dogfan wrote:

Fang,
there has been a standing offer to Fresno since before the BE added Tulane, the problem was that Fresno said show me the money$$$$$.....

It was a little different for Fresno then for BSU and SDSU....Fresno new they were not going into a long tern AQ type of conf. where as SDSU and BSU thought they were...

Fangdog wrote:

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

Until I see it in writing or someone with credibility states it, I am not so sure Fresno was extended an invitation from the BE for which Fresno subsequently rejected. I didn't see where Aresco had much interest in adding more western teams other what he already had added. The Big East was looking for mid-eastern to eastern teams to add and not Western teams to add. 

It reminds me of the guy wanting the beauty queen to ask him to the Sadie-Hawkins dance, but being she never asked, he tells his friends she asked, but he told her "no".

5150dogfan wrote:

Fang,
there has been a standing offer to Fresno since before the BE added Tulane, the problem was that Fresno said show me the money$$$$$.....

It was a little different for Fresno then for BSU and SDSU....Fresno new they were not going into a long tern AQ type of conf. where as SDSU and BSU thought they were...

Fangdog wrote:

5150dogfan wrote:

Fang,
there has been a standing offer to Fresno since before the BE added Tulane, the problem was that Fresno said show me the money$$$$$.....

It was a little different for Fresno then for BSU and SDSU....Fresno new they were not going into a long tern AQ type of conf. where as SDSU and BSU thought they were...

Wow!! smart people those Fresno people. 

Who told you Fresno had a standing offer all this time? How was it Fresno knew so much more ahead of Boise and SDSU? I can see where it was obvious later, so are you saying Fresno had a standing offer after everyone knew there would be no AQ?

It does make sense no one would make a commitment after knowing there would be no AQ and not knowing the final BE media contract. However, I am not sure if Fresno had the option for being in the BE at Fresno's discretion? It sure did not appear to be the case in all I have read following this Soap-Opera. In fact, there was constantly and consistently suggested for BE invitations, a number of schools mentioned ahead of Fresno.

My only concern was Fresno would end-up being in a conference without Boise. It really didn't matter to me which conference Fresno ended-up, as long as Boise was in it, as well as in addition SDSU.

Boise seen an opportunity with the MWC to leverage themselves into what essentially is an independent football program with a conference affiliation. Any team in the MWC can say they are the reason Boise came back to the MWC because it is all the teams in the MWC which makes it an MWC.

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

OldFigBBJ2 wrote: Doesn't that belief almost require you to also believe Boise had no pull in its desire to have a BE western division?

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--- Fangdog wrote:

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

Until I see it in writing or someone with credibility states it, I am not so sure Fresno was extended an invitation from the BE for which Fresno subsequently rejected. I didn't see where Aresco had much interest in adding more western teams other what he already had added. The Big East was looking for mid-eastern to eastern teams to add and not Western teams to add. 

It reminds me of the guy wanting the beauty queen to ask him to the Sadie-Hawkins dance, but being she never asked, he tells his friends she asked, but he told her "no".

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ZagFan559 wrote: Move along Figgy you have no business getting in Fangs way while he carries water for BSU.

Head over to BC and thank BSU like all other MWC schools should. 

Fang has been in on all of the discussions along with BSU fans that guaranteed they would never, ever come back to the MWC.

JAdogs05 wrote: Basically yes. Given the timeline, the reports of Fresno and UNLV being contacted by the BE seem to make sense. Being dissatisfied with the quality of the source (a national new agency) doesn't mean that it didn't happen. That's fallacious reasoning.

Edit: But if you're going to give any credit to FS, UNLV and AFA deserve an equal share.

rudolro wrote:

Fangdog wrote:

5150dogfan wrote:

Fang,
there has been a standing offer to Fresno since before the BE added Tulane, the problem was that Fresno said show me the money$$$$$.....

It was a little different for Fresno then for BSU and SDSU....Fresno new they were not going into a long tern AQ type of conf. where as SDSU and BSU thought they were...

Wow!! smart people those Fresno people. 

Who told you Fresno had a standing offer all this time? How was it Fresno knew so much more ahead of Boise and SDSU? I can see where it was obvious later, so are you saying Fresno had a standing offer after everyone knew there would be no AQ?

It does make sense no one would make a commitment after knowing there would be no AQ and not knowing the final BE media contract. However, I am not sure if Fresno had the option for being in the BE at Fresno's discretion? It sure did not appear to be the case in all I have read following this Soap-Opera. In fact, there was constantly and consistently suggested for BE invitations, a number of schools mentioned ahead of Fresno.

My only concern was Fresno would end-up being in a conference without Boise. It really didn't matter to me which conference Fresno ended-up, as long as Boise was in it, as well as in addition SDSU.

Boise seen an opportunity with the MWC to leverage themselves into what essentially is an independent football program with a conference affiliation. Any team in the MWC can say they are the reason Boise came back to the MWC because it is all the teams in the MWC which makes it an MWC.

Fang, If you didn't see a BE fail over a year ago then you're either blind or delusional.

Fangdog wrote:

JAdogs05 wrote: Basically yes. Given the timeline, the reports of Fresno and UNLV being contacted by the BE seem to make sense. Being dissatisfied with the quality of the source (a national new agency) doesn't mean that it didn't happen. That's fallacious reasoning.

Edit: But if you're going to give any credit to FS, UNLV and AFA deserve an equal share.

Of course it makes sense "contacted", but was it at the beginning or the end. Was it an invite? None of the MWC schools was going to accept without knowing the BE contract numbers.

ZagFan559 wrote:

thedude15 wrote: When BSU became serious about leaving (or not joining) the Big Least I am pretty sure they extended invites to some western schools. They must have said no.

I am guessing Fresno was on that list. 

So in a way we saved the MW. lol

No.

Wait for Fang to come and set you straight sir.

Get on your knees and thank BSU, and send them some $$$$. Boise is our daddy again, just off the field this time.

arx162218 wrote: Boise already had a woozy feeling about joining the nBE prior to this year. But I firmly believe the empty contract the nBE was struggling to get and the wild estimates the media and fan circles were throwing out that obviously was never going to be as good, along with the MWC re-positioning itself with the renegotiations tipped Boise's decision to come back. 

FresnoStateBulldogFan wrote: Fangdog you sound like a BSU fan more than a dog fan... why dont you clear up your stance for who you support because it gets confusing when you come across sing the glory of BSU and then coming down on us here in Fresno?

I am not trying to call you out or confront you but perhaps you could clear (for some of us who are a little slower than the average CFB fan) who you support or favor... the donks, dogs or both (evenly) just let us know already?


Thanks

Fangdog wrote:

FresnoStateBulldogFan wrote: Fangdog you sound like a BSU fan more than a dog fan... why dont you clear up your stance for who you support because it gets confusing when you come across sing the glory of BSU and then coming down on us here in Fresno?

I am not trying to call you out or confront you but perhaps you could clear (for some of us who are a little slower than the average CFB fan) who you support or favor... the donks, dogs or both (evenly) just let us know already?


Thanks

I call it as I see it. It doesn't make any difference who it is, Boise or Fresno. I am not going to say something I don't think it is just because I am  fan of something.

arx162218 wrote: Fresno could've screwed the MWC over if it had said yes to a Big East invite. And had FS said yes, it's almost impossible for UNLV to have said no. That would've lead to the MWC's death spiral. 

Boise and SUDS joining the Big East in and of itself wouldn't have done too much to destroy the MWC. The conference could've gone on with the core group left. That, along with the nBE that will keep on losing more teams, and you had a situation where even the Big East with Boise and SUDS isn't much stronger than the MWC without Boise and SUDS. Remember, Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse and Pittsburg are gone, and so soon should the last football team worth a dime in Cincinnati. What you're left with is a purely money strategy alone targeting market share; competition itself went down the drain for football in the nBE. It wasn't going to be any better than the MWC. 

Looking back at it, Air Force, UNLV and Fresno not budging when the nBE came calling is just as much, if not more significant than Boise returning. Those teams not leaving gave Boise what they wanted, gave the conference more money after the renegotiations, clearly makes the MWC the best conference outside the Mafia 5, and may very well nail the coffin permanently shut on nBE football.

H2OPoloDan wrote: Fang, I know there were discussions that Welty was involved in, about the middle of fall semester, regarding "conference realignment." Whether that equates to an invitation from the BE to join is, of course, a good question. But obviously talking was going on at the highest levels of the FS food chain in October about our future...

arx162218 wrote: Fang, do you believe then, that had Fresno and UNLV markets joined the Big East, that the new conference then would not be able to negotiate a better contract than what the MWC now have? The BE could not negotiate a better contract assuming Fresno and UNLV was in the mix or they would had. Boise wanted a Western division, Which is what I wished had been the case, but the commissioner evidently couldn't get the necessary BE members to agree, even to the point who would be in the Western division.

What some BE members considered West didn't go beyond the Rockies or even the Mississippi River for that matter.  What I noticed right away and it was disappointing, there didn't seem to be much interest in Fresno. My concern was Fresno would not be invited to the BE which included Boise and SDSU. IMO, It is essential to be in a "Group of 5" conference which is stronger than the other four. Schools being suggested did not include Fresno. However, I do feel with a "true" Western division as we out west think of "West" Fresno would had been invited. 

Everyone knew one of the biggest reasons why the Big East found it so hard to get any solid TV contract inked was because of their instability. So had the Big East committed itself to creating a true western division and solidified its conference by having western teams in Fresno and UNLV join, you don't think they would've presented a stronger contract to both Boise and incoming new teams to sign onto? Yes, I do believe it to be the case, but they were not able to put together what seems ideal from our perspective, but not from who's world is in the East and by that I mean east of the Appalachian Mountains.

I firmly believe CBS did their deal completely in unison with the MWC positioning itself for a more attractive position to lure Boise back, AND, to keep current conference teams like Fresno and UNLV from jumping ship. arx, You need to watch the Kustra interview video I posted for Fig. It will clear a lot of things-up in your mind. You can make your own take from that. It explains just how it all went down and you get it from the horses mouths instead of being suspect for whatever bias you may feel I have.

Simply, had the MWC not restructured its current contract with CBS, they could not afford to give Boise what it wanted, and Fresno and UNLV, or any other team, would join the Big East if invited. All of which, should lead to a better contract for the Big East. That is all true arx, but you are suggesting something the BE couldn't even accomplish as much sense it seems to make from our point of view...again this is answered in the Kustra interview. 

Fresno would've easily been able to say yes to a Boise+SUDS+UNLV+Fresno entrance into the Big East, even if there's no contract inked yet. That addition would get the Big East one... So while one may not be able to pinpoint one single reason why things happened the way they did, if Fresno and UNLV did say yes to Big East expansion, things wouldn't be the way it is now. Who is to say, Fresno and UNLV didn't say yes. In fact, I have reason to believe Fresno and UNLV did say yes if invited, contingent upon a TV contract which the BE was never able to solidify with the media people. It was the fact the BE could not offer anyone anything concrete the reason nothing happened as it applies to Boise coming back to the MWC. I have to give commissioner Thompson a lot of credit for being able to re-negotiate the MWC media contract along with Boise to the extent it benefits all members of the MWC and potentially positions itself for being the strongest of the "Group of 5" . This gives all MWC members a chance for greater viability. 

I know I get a lot of "I love Boise" bull-chit from BB'rs, but my God, I see so much arrogance on the part of BB'rs. Fresno is not Boise for one reason....Fresno phucked-up and squandered greater resources than Boise ever had even to this day. Fresno has to "play their way in" just as has Boise and stop being a bunch of whinny wimps boo-hooing over Boise like some pathetic. I do feel, thanks to what has transpired, Fresno is in a position to demonstrate all it can be. Do I think Fresno can surpass Boise someday and be the tali which wags the dog? Absolutely, but it going to have to be earned and how this has shaken-out give Fresno a chance.  

arx162218 wrote: It's not ego. If the truth is that Fresno and UNLV not budging when they got asked for feelers to the nBE and that got everybody to where it is, then that's the truth. Arx, for crying out loud what was Fresno or anyone else in the MWC supposed to budge to? There was nothing there. Are you thinking had there been something better Fresno was not going to take advantage of the opportunity? I know you believe Boise saved everyone in the MWC, but it's just a matter of semantics. One can argue the MWC saved Boise from jumping onto a faster sinking ship in the nBE. Yeah, Boise came back to the MWC hat-in-hand and said "Okay I'll take whatever it is you say U have to take, please let me back.. Going into the nBE isn't a matter of peaches and roses for Boise. And it wasn't just the TV revenue that was at stake either. Had it been what it was originally it would had been an opportunity for Boise and SDSU as it would for Fresno or anyone else. The fact it ended not being so, Boise did the next best thing which was a MWC renegotiated media TV deal. A renegotiated contract which had no reason for being renegotiated had Boise not come back to the MWC.  

Regardless of whether a message forum full of fans wanted Fresno and UNLV, or any true western division or not doesn't matter. In the end, if the nBE could not invite Fresno and UNLV because both said no, then they were out of luck to begin with. Fresno was just one of a number of schools mentioned for a Western Division. Read one of my other posts explaining what you and I mean West does not have the same meaning for those in the East.

On top of it all, if Boise really mattered as much to the Big East, Aresco would've done everything he can to keep Boise. He did and he could not put what Boise needed which would be the best interest of Boise. Aresco even personally went out to Boise as a guest of Kustra. Arx you need to watch the video and read more what really happened and you would be more informed. The only BB'r I know who understood this and took the time to follow what was going on was Yoda and Sactown. Naturally there would be different biases but the core would have to be the same. 

If one argues that the Big East did not do everything they could to keep Boise, then that's just bad management and the MWC and Thompson showed them up. In which case, it wasn't really Boise saving the MWC. It's just the nBE's ineptitude. The BE commissioner walked in to a failed deal from the start. Jesus Christ himself couldn't save that wreck. 

If one argues that the Big East actually did do everything they could to keep Boise, then obviously something didn't go their way. I believe that's Fresno at the least, saying no to the Big East... Arx, that is pure arrogance on your part. The BE was falling apart from within. Boise was the linchpin whether it be the MWC or the BE. I give credit to Thompson for taking a strong leadership role in working out a deal which Boise could not say "no". In the end, it was not only the contract but the stability of no one in the MWC going some where because there is no somewhere.

The question for the BE or Boise wasn't Fresno or UNLV, but who else already in the BE would leave. Thus making the prospects for a BE favorable media tv  negotiated final contract even a greater illusion. Boise took the "one-in-a-hand, rather than two-in-the-bush" and because of it all ,the MWC is now a better place. It is not just Boise, but again you have to credit Craig Thompson for being more capable than I for one ever gave credit up until now. 

Fangdog wrote:

arx162218 wrote: It's not ego. If the truth is that Fresno and UNLV not budging when they got asked for feelers to the nBE and that got everybody to where it is, then that's the truth. Arx, for crying out loud what was Fresno or anyone else in the MWC supposed to budge to? There was nothing there. Are you thinking had there been something better Fresno was not going to take advantage of the opportunity? I know you believe Boise saved everyone in the MWC, but it's just a matter of semantics. One can argue the MWC saved Boise from jumping onto a faster sinking ship in the nBE. Yeah, Boise came back to the MWC hat-in-hand and said "Okay I'll take whatever it is you say U have to take, please let me back.. Going into the nBE isn't a matter of peaches and roses for Boise. And it wasn't just the TV revenue that was at stake either. Had it been what it was originally it would had been an opportunity for Boise and SDSU as it would for Fresno or anyone else. The fact it ended not being so, Boise did the next best thing which was a MWC renegotiated media TV deal. A renegotiated contract which had no reason for being renegotiated had Boise not come back to the MWC.  

Regardless of whether a message forum full of fans wanted Fresno and UNLV, or any true western division or not doesn't matter. In the end, if the nBE could not invite Fresno and UNLV because both said no, then they were out of luck to begin with. Fresno was just one of a number of schools mentioned for a Western Division. Read one of my other posts explaining what you and I mean West does not have the same meaning for those in the East.

On top of it all, if Boise really mattered as much to the Big East, Aresco would've done everything he can to keep Boise. He did and he could not put what Boise needed which would be the best interest of Boise. Aresco even personally went out to Boise as a guest of Kustra. Arx you need to watch the video and read more what really happened and you would be more informed. The only BB'r I know who understood this and took the time to follow what was going on was Yoda and Sactown. Naturally there would be different biases but the core would have to be the same. 

If one argues that the Big East did not do everything they could to keep Boise, then that's just bad management and the MWC and Thompson showed them up. In which case, it wasn't really Boise saving the MWC. It's just the nBE's ineptitude. The BE commissioner walked in to a failed deal from the start. Jesus Christ himself couldn't save that wreck. 

If one argues that the Big East actually did do everything they could to keep Boise, then obviously something didn't go their way. I believe that's Fresno at the least, saying no to the Big East... Arx, that is pure arrogance on your part. The BE was falling apart from within. Boise was the linchpin whether it be the MWC or the BE. I give credit to Thompson for taking a strong leadership role in working out a deal which Boise could not say "no". In the end, it was not only the contract but the stability of no one in the MWC going some where because there is no somewhere.

The question for the BE or Boise wasn't Fresno or UNLV, but who else already in the BE would leave. Thus making the prospects for a BE favorable media tv  negotiated final contract even a greater illusion. Boise took the "one-in-a-hand, rather than two-in-the-bush" and because of it all ,the MWC is now a better place. It is not just Boise, but again you have to credit Craig Thompson for being more capable than I for one ever gave credit up until now. 

Read the lengthy interview and count the number of times Fresno comes-up. Look arx, if you want to believe Fresno saved the MWC have at it. The fact I think it is bull-chit doesn't matter...you believe it and that is all which is necessary. I can see right now once you got your mind made-up facts

ZagFan559 wrote: This thread has taught me that Fang gains his confidence from the stature of BSU in conference realignment. Nobody is making sure the BSU name is as pristine as possible more than Fang.

Why hasn't the SEC added BSU yet???

Fangdog wrote:

ZagFan559 wrote: This thread has taught me that Fang gains his confidence from the stature of BSU in conference realignment. Nobody is making sure the BSU name is as pristine as possible more than Fang.

Why hasn't the SEC added BSU yet???

Zag, when in fact have you ever actually posted anything other than to troll other posters? However, I do understand the value of entertainment. I think if you notice I rarely if ever start a thread with Boise (and if I did or do) WTF is it to your sorry azz? Put me on ignore like others do if my posts annoy or irritate you. In the meantime if you cannot resist trolling carry-on. Just understand, I do know you are a troll and not some brilliant phuck with information other than disparaging others. Via cagar

rudolro wrote: If you don't agree with me than you all are trolls.....