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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:53 PM
steroid speculation?
Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 5:22 PM
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gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us. In the past we could mask mismatches with scheme changes. Now we can't. Wondering aloud about them abusing steroids is low-class. Give them credit. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 6:21 PM
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The problem we have is Schramm and Norcross: They were too one dimensional.
Our offense was so terrible, the blocking invisible, the running plays unimaginative, the passing plays weak (what, another jump ball?). Our timing was way off. The fact that Carr isn't under center on even a portion of the plays really makes the spread a one dimensional O. And why were the plays coming in so late and players on the field when they shouldn't have been? That's all Schramm. He needs to be axed.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:01 PM
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This is one game where not having a more pro style offense hurt us alot. Put Jensen in a conventional Tight end with his hand in the ground role and help on Magnus. We refused to adjust until the damage was more than done. Both sides of the ball too.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:35 PM
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Not going to speculate about that....
However I am re-watching the game (I know-why???..) to see the things I missed and immediately after first sack on Carr, visit to the "training tent" was filmed and is interesting to watch....
Q. Did we also have a tent like that where our players went to visit trainers????
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:37 PM
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gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us. Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:02 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- srodrig5 wrote: gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us. Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's. --------------------------------------------- Yeah but when you read this and then see what you saw yesterday... you got to go hmmm news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-stero...45936--spt.html |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:29 PM
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gottafever4cowbell wrote:
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gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us.
Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's.
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Yeah but when you read this and then see what you saw yesterday... you got to go hmmm
news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-stero...45936--spt.html If steroids were in use, who's to say that FS isn't as likely to be using them as SMU? |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:41 PM
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You sir are off your rocker. After one year fire the OC that helped lead us to a bowl game while averaging over 40 points a game. CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote: The problem we have is Schramm and Norcross: They were too one dimensional.
Our offense was so terrible, the blocking invisible, the running plays unimaginative, the passing plays weak (what, another jump ball?). Our timing was way off. The fact that Carr isn't under center on even a portion of the plays really makes the spread a one dimensional O. And why were the plays coming in so late and players on the field when they shouldn't have been? That's all Schramm. He needs to be axed. "To have the kind of year you want to have, something has to happen that you can't explain why it happened. Something has to happen that you can't coach."
Bobby Bowden
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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:32 AM
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I have 2 thoughts about that accusation:
Sour grapes
Glass houses Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
AuH2O
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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:40 AM
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I think it was the officials that lost the game for us.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:49 AM
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NoDogintheHunt wrote:
Q. Did we also have a tent like that where our players went to visit trainers???? Does anyone have the answer to this question....
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:05 AM
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This is the first time I have been to backboard.com since the game and I was thinking the same thing yesterday. A 6-6 team all of a sudden playing like a national power house. It makes you think, especially with all the steroids in college football talk the past couple of weeks.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:10 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- JAdogs05 wrote: gottafever4cowbell wrote:
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--- srodrig5 wrote:
gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us.
Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's.
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Yeah but when you read this and then see what you saw yesterday... you got to go hmmm
news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-stero...45936--spt.html If steroids were in use, who's to say that FS isn't as likely to be using them as SMU? --------------------------------------------- I guess you didn't see the game. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:19 AM
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You know when a poster leads with, "I'm going to say it", he understands perfectly well that the text to follow is iffy.
I don't care whether Margus Hunt illegally strapped to his back a next-generation GE turbofan aircraft engine. His pure dominance of Fifita was an embarrassment.
Last edited 12/26/2012 9:19 AM by OldFigBBJ2
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:19 AM
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The guy was an olympic shot putter/discus thrower from Estonia. Eastern Euros have been feeding their kids roids since the 60's. He was as roided out as it gets. He was throwing our 300 pounders around like they were rag dolls. Having said that, we'll have what their taking.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:31 AM
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That guy Hunt's a super athlete, and unless one has some evidence to support the steroid claim, one should lay off.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:31 AM
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JAdogs05 wrote:
gottafever4cowbell wrote:
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--- srodrig5 wrote:
gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us.
Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's.
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Yeah but when you read this and then see what you saw yesterday... you got to go hmmm
news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-stero...45936--spt.html If steroids were in use, who's to say that FS isn't as likely to be using them as SMU? Alright, I'm game on this one in terms of my conspiracy theory... SMU has a very distinguishable difference between us and them - private school. We are a poor state run institution where the likelihood of steroid abuse may be more individual investment and use vs a collective group base use to a private institution. I understand Margus is soon to be on the world strongest man competition one day standing in at 6ft 8inches (remember East Germany athletes were all natural too). But what I saw on my television screen was a team that was systematically different than ours in terms of size, speed, and strength on both sides of the ball. It didn't help we had a serious timing issue between center and QB, but there were multiple guys coming through the line in bull rush types sequences that showed a superior specimen on the field. At least you have to entertain the idea the possibility of how steroids might be in play in this game. If I was a journalist, I would be all over this and sniffing to find out, because a 6-6 SMU vs 9-3 Fresno State that has dominated its last 5 opponents doesn't go down that way without a few more storylines to the game. 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:34 AM
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steinbornfs wrote: That guy Hunt's a super athlete, and unless one has some evidence to support the steroid claim, one should lay off. what does your gut tell you? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:36 AM
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OldFigBBJ2 wrote: You know when a poster leads with, "I'm going to say it", he understands perfectly well that the text to follow is iffy.
I don't care whether Margus Hunt illegally strapped to his back a next-generation GE turbofan aircraft engine. His pure dominance of Fifita was an embarrassment. this is a forum to discuss, debate, and throw out wild accusations... mine may be far fetched, but if you didn't at least go hmmmm when you read it? I'm willing to bet there was some roid use in that game and majority of it was wearing red jersey tops with white pants. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:43 AM
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Last edited 12/26/2012 9:48 AM by gottafever4cowbell
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:53 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- gottafever4cowbell wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- srodrig5 wrote: gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us. Yes, you are right.... It DOES sound like sour grapes. Sorry, but lots of teams have lots of palyers with arms as big as SMU's. --------------------------------------------- Yeah but when you read this and then see what you saw yesterday... you got to go hmmm news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-stero...45936--spt.html--------------------------------------------- June Jones being questioned about steroids in college football in this article is very interesting. I agree, you got to go hmmm. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:28 AM
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gottafever4cowbell wrote: 2011 Hunt vs Deruyter at A&M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBBKibXTrs
2012 Hunt vs State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJ1ko0mRk4 Not really a good comparison-TAMU has a good Oline. One indicator would show in excessive weight gain (>25-30 pounds) versus growth in height. Here is SMU's roster for Hunt over time: (whether these weights are accurate is debatable, but his height has not changed). 2009 92 Margus Hunt 6-8 267 DE FR-RS Karksi-Nuia, Estonia 2010 92 Margus Hunt 6-8 272 DE SO-1L Karksi-Nuia, Estonia 2011 92 Margus Hunt 6-8 295 DE JR-2L Karksi-Nuia, Estonia 2012 92 Margus Hunt 6-8 280 DE SR-3L Karksi-Nuia, Estonia
Last edited 12/26/2012 10:02 PM by NoDogintheHunt
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:31 AM
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I'm off my rocker because I refuse to believe that a crap offense that makes SMU's defense look like we were playing Alabama? We had no offensive plays against their defense. This game reminded me of our game against Boise the previous yeah. A complete embarrassment. We lose one lineman and our entire OL play vanishes? Our punter could have done better against their DL. Who is to blame? The players (well, yeah), but who puts the players on the field? I really think Schramm should go now. What's going to change next year? What will be different? CTD allowed Schramm to call the plays. He needs to go. Why revisit this next year? --------------------------------------------- --- xlayedoutx wrote: You sir are off your rocker. After one year fire the OC that helped lead us to a bowl game while averaging over 40 points a game. CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote: The problem we have is Schramm and Norcross: They were too one dimensional.
Our offense was so terrible, the blocking invisible, the running plays unimaginative, the passing plays weak (what, another jump ball?). Our timing was way off. The fact that Carr isn't under center on even a portion of the plays really makes the spread a one dimensional O. And why were the plays coming in so late and players on the field when they shouldn't have been? That's all Schramm. He needs to be axed. --------------------------------------------- LAter Go Dogs! Biting is the easy way out. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:46 AM
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I would say this has a lot more to do with the lack of practicing we did versus any other issue. Our team looked flat plain and simple.
I realize his steroid use also caused the 'dogs to only manage a handful of decent snaps and to alter the players used as receivers, but not sure how much.
The guy was never touched on many of the plays, doesn't matter how big his arms were if we didn't position ourselves to make the blocks. Our Oline across the board looked rusty, and they were playing against a d line that looked hungry.
Even PT looked a step slower and his ball perception was off.
No way the 'Dogs should have looked this poor, but steroids is NOT the reason. SMU wanted it more and played better. They played to save their coaches job...and coincidentally ours did too ;)
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:47 AM
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Here's my take on this post. Yes steroids were involved in the game. Multiple players from both teams were on roids in the bowl (not just the Stangs). You have to be a complete idiot to think anything less. Steroids are part of the college football culture (not saying it's right), specially with your OL/DL/LB/FB type players. Another place you find heavy roid use....is the time between the end of a players career and his participation in the NFL combine (almost all of them cycle the stuff to improve their marks at this event...the reward is definitely worth the risk) even the smaller skill players use them during this period. Anytime you have an event with 20-25 300 lb. people with 400 lb. bench presses you have PED's involved. To make the claim that SMU won because of steroids is pretty pathetic. A safe prediction would be that 1 out of every 5 or 6 college football players at the D1 level are dabbling in this stuff at one time or another.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 12:34 PM
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Most D1 athletes are on roids at one time or another. You are naive if you think otherwise. Read the article linked to above.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 4:06 PM
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Hell I used to weigh 185 pounds, now I'm over 300, and I never used steroids in my life.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 4:08 PM
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what does your gut tell you?
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My gut tells me not to jump to conclusions, especially when I have no hard facts to support such a suspicion.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 6:15 PM
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steinbornfs wrote: That guy Hunt's a super athlete, and unless one has some evidence to support the steroid claim, one should lay off. Agree, Hunt was the single D player that made such a huge difference in game. When he was on sideline, it was a different game as far as Fresno State's offense being able to block better, but by then it was too little, too late. If we are going to make silly statements like we lost because we think SMU was using steroids, then we might as well go the opposite direction and make more silly statements like we lost because FSU players were using too much medicinal mary jane before the game. Both of these are as non-factual as you get, but anyone can say anything. There just is no cure for stupid statements and apparently, this is the place to post them. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 6:40 PM
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Your speculation misses the play of Fresno's right tackle who simply couldn't hang with Margus on Monday. Go back and look at a replay and tell us what you think.
The Mustangs did not win on arms alone!
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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:30 PM
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gottafever4cowbell wrote: Im going to say it... those D Lineman for smooo had giant clubs for arms. You could definitely get a cycle in 4 weeks and make it show on the field. I know its sour grapes but its been on my mind as to how they physically man handled us. Let me tell you a secret, everyone is doing it. How do you think so many grow so fast in the offseason? And they don't do one cycle, you stack em... |
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