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Re: Open Scrimmage!

Posted: 8/17/2014 12:10 AM

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Sounds like Green had a good week going into scrimmage, but none of the backs did anything to improve their position in the scrimmage. A lot of negative plays that Hoke put not only on the line, but due to poor vision by the backs... Went on to talk about the defense being ahead of the offense (which is typical at this point), but that the offense really needed to start stepping up.


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--- ChiTownMichiganFan wrote:

That's why you have scrimmages to see the problems. I had a buddy at the game and he said he thought the defense looked amazing and that was the main reason for the offensive line struggling. Also, I was expecting the O-line to struggle because it's a whole new offensive line! I will wait to judges them when I see them against App. State. I HOPE that the OL going against a much improved DL in practice will make them better. Also heard Peppers was on the field a lot but did get beat for a TD by Funchess and Green looked like the best RB.

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Last edited 8/17/2014 12:20 AM by WhosGotTheUrb

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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:18 AM

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Any chance our D is just that good!?

Seriously though, it's a new line and whole new offense... Some growing pains were to be expected.

We just have to hope things get better fast

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--- bdhoggan14 wrote:

Well for those who were wondering it sounds like our offensive line looks like crap once again. It was getting blown up all night by the 1st and 2nd team defense. Our qb's were running for there lives. Also side note it sounds like Shane played better than Gardner.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:27 AM

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Absolutely. It appears Hoke is more vocal about performance this year, which I like. He put it straight out there that the OL must improve. I think we will have better line then most people think because there are some battles going on for starting positions. I think that can only(hopefully) bring out the best in all of them. Also, they are still trying to adapt to the new blocking schemes that Nuss is incorporating. I think they will get better as they learn the blocking more and they could be dominate. But it may not look very pretty in the beginning...

I think Green is an example of how competition brings out the best in you. He wasn't just demoted to 2nd string, he was demoted all the way to 3rd!(or 2 if you're using the whole 1a and 1b crap). It obviously fired Derrick up and he is starting to run the way he should. 
WhosGotTheUrb wrote: Sounds like Green had a good week going into scrimmage, but none of the backs did anything to improve their position in the scrimmage. A lot of negative plays that Hoke put not only on the line, but due to poor vision by the backs... Went on to talk about the defense being ahead of the offense (which is typical at this point), but that the offense really needed to start stepping up.


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--- ChiTownMichiganFan wrote:

That's why you have scrimmages to see the problems. I had a buddy at the game and he said he thought the defense looked amazing and that was the main reason for the offensive line struggling. Also, I was expecting the O-line to struggle because it's a whole new offensive line! I will wait to judges them when I see them against App. State. I HOPE that the OL going against a much improved DL in practice will make them better. Also heard Peppers was on the field a lot but did get beat for a TD by Funchess and Green looked like the best RB.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 8:00 AM

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This pretty much sums it up. Shane looked very good out there, when he wasn't running for his life. Defense was swarming. The offense kind of just looked like the offense of last year, hopefully it is just because the defense is that good. Here's to hoping.


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--- bdhoggan14 wrote:

Well for those who were wondering it sounds like our offensive line looks like crap once again. It was getting blown up all night by the 1st and 2nd team defense. Our qb's were running for there lives. Also side note it sounds like Shane played better than Gardner.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:13 AM

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Do not like the news about the oline at all.  It appears, at least on this thread, people are already starting to make excuses.  The oline was pathetic last year and we were all naive enough to believe they could possibly be better after losing Lewan and Schofield.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:28 AM

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How can you come to this conclusion when they haven't played a single down yet in 2014?


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...we were all naive enough to believe they could possibly be better after losing Lewan and Schofield.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:28 AM

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goblue11 wrote: Do not like the news about the oline at all.  It appears, at least on this thread, people are already starting to make excuses.  The oline was pathetic last year and we were all naive enough to believe they could possibly be better after losing Lewan and Schofield.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:31 AM

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Lol.


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goblue11 wrote: Do not like the news about the oline at all.  It appears, at least on this thread, people are already starting to make excuses.  The oline was pathetic last year and we were all naive enough to believe they could possibly be better after losing Lewan and Schofield.


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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:39 AM

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It really wasn't that bad. Offense had a few nice runs for positive yards. A few TD passes and quite a few quick passes that went for 6-10 yards. Did have a few drops though. Oh, and Norfleet ran a kick back (wasn't a full effort on coverage but he looked fast). Did I mention the defense looked sweet. Frank Clark spun out of a block and just about killed Gardner.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:43 AM

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Excuses for what? We haven't even seen them play a live game! It was a scrimmage. So we should all start panicking  and consider the season lost? If the OL stinks against App. St. and gets dominated, then I will have some concern but getting your panties in a knot now about a scrimmage is pretty silly if you ask me. 
goblue11 wrote: Do not like the news about the oline at all.  It appears, at least on this thread, people are already starting to make excuses.  The oline was pathetic last year and we were all naive enough to believe they could possibly be better after losing Lewan and Schofield.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:45 AM

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That's the same thing my friend at the game said. Offense was behind the defense but it wasn't as horrible as some writers made it out to be. 
BKilla13 wrote: It really wasn't that bad. Offense had a few nice runs for positive yards. A few TD passes and quite a few quick passes that went for 6-10 yards. Did have a few drops though. Oh, and Norfleet ran a kick back (wasn't a full effort on coverage but he looked fast). Did I mention the defense looked sweet. Frank Clark spun out of a block and just about killed Gardner.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:19 AM

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Just want to add some perspective. When I have watched Wisconsin in scrimmages we have a tough time running the ball and our offense usually looks bad. And come regular season we avg 40 points per game. I think it it's combo of vanilla play calling and the defense essentially knowing what is coming. The rose bowl year with Tolzien they barely got a first down in the spring game. They looked terrible.

Sounds like you guys should have a very good defense.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:38 AM

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Norfleet did not run a kick back.  Not even close.
BKilla13 wrote: It really wasn't that bad. Offense had a few nice runs for positive yards. A few TD passes and quite a few quick passes that went for 6-10 yards. Did have a few drops though. Oh, and Norfleet ran a kick back (wasn't a full effort on coverage but he looked fast). Did I mention the defense looked sweet. Frank Clark spun out of a block and just about killed Gardner.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:41 AM

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This is basically what Kyle Bogie said on 97.1 the ticket. He said because the oline still couldn't maintain a run game, they would need to be able to pass and that Shane showed the best throws and decision making. He said that he believes that Devin is the starter but he will be on a very short leash and mistakes like last year will get him replaced by Shane.
bdhoggan14 wrote: Well for those who were wondering it sounds like our offensive line looks like crap once again. It was getting blown up all night by the 1st and 2nd team defense. Our qb's were running for there lives. Also side note it sounds like Shane played better than Gardner.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:42 AM

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Maybe, but you have several years of game play to reassure you that your team will be okay. Unfortunately, we do not.
BadgerGrove wrote: Just want to add some perspective. When I have watched Wisconsin in scrimmages we have a tough time running the ball and our offense usually looks bad. And come regular season we avg 40 points per game. I think it it's combo of vanilla play calling and the defense essentially knowing what is coming. The rose bowl year with Tolzien they barely got a first down in the spring game. They looked terrible.

Sounds like you guys should have a very good defense.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:44 AM

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Kyle bogie said on 97.1 the ticket that the oline was a problem that is very similar to last year. Yes, the defense is good but he clearly stated that the offensive lline is not. Take it for what it's worth.
ChiTownMichiganFan wrote: That's why you have scrimmages to see the problems. I had a buddy at the game and he said he thought the defense looked amazing and that was the main reason for the offensive line struggling. Also, I was expecting the O-line to struggle because it's a whole new offensive line! I will wait to judges them when I see them against App. State. I HOPE that the OL going against a much improved DL in practice will make them better. Also heard Peppers was on the field a lot but did get beat for a TD by Funchess and Green looked like the best RB.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:17 PM

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Like I said, I wasn't expecting the OL to be that great in this scrimmage but maybe not as bad as some are making it sound. Also heard that the OL looked pretty good in the Wednesday closed scrimmage. Again, I'm not concerned yet because this is a whole new offensive line and scheme. I am not using youth as an excuse because I didn't buy that as an excuse last year as an explanation why we were that bad. I am just waiting judgement until I can see them myself with my own 2 eyes in a real game. And if they suck against App. St, I will not be in such an optimistic mood. 
acer03 wrote: Kyle bogie said on 97.1 the ticket that the oline was a problem that is very similar to last year. Yes, the defense is good but he clearly stated that the offensive lline is not. Take it for what it's worth.
ChiTownMichiganFan wrote: That's why you have scrimmages to see the problems. I had a buddy at the game and he said he thought the defense looked amazing and that was the main reason for the offensive line struggling. Also, I was expecting the O-line to struggle because it's a whole new offensive line! I will wait to judges them when I see them against App. State. I HOPE that the OL going against a much improved DL in practice will make them better. Also heard Peppers was on the field a lot but did get beat for a TD by Funchess and Green looked like the best RB.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:27 PM

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??? I'm fairly certain I watched him break a return. He ran all the way to the end zone, I don't know why he'd still be running if he was already tackled. Maybe I missed something????

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Norfleet did not run a kick back.  Not even close.
BKilla13 wrote: It really wasn't that bad. Offense had a few nice runs for positive yards. A few TD passes and quite a few quick passes that went for 6-10 yards. Did have a few drops though. Oh, and Norfleet ran a kick back (wasn't a full effort on coverage but he looked fast). Did I mention the defense looked sweet. Frank Clark spun out of a block and just about killed Gardner.


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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:33 PM

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Its practice
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:46 PM

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I'm not sure if you are being serious right now or trying to make a joke.

The return men on special teams were off limits.  No one got touched on the returns.   Every single person "returned one" 

Believe me, if the wind would have changed direction, Norfleet would have fell. 
BKilla13 wrote:
??? I'm fairly certain I watched him break a return. He ran all the way to the end zone, I don't know why he'd still be running if he was already tackled. Maybe I missed something????

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Norfleet did not run a kick back.  Not even close.
BKilla13 wrote: It really wasn't that bad. Offense had a few nice runs for positive yards. A few TD passes and quite a few quick passes that went for 6-10 yards. Did have a few drops though. Oh, and Norfleet ran a kick back (wasn't a full effort on coverage but he looked fast). Did I mention the defense looked sweet. Frank Clark spun out of a block and just about killed Gardner.


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