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Who are each of the ACC's schools top ACC rivals?

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Posted: 2/9/2014 1:10 PM

Who are each of the ACC's schools top ACC rivals? 


With a few articles being published recently about potentially realigning the divisions, eliminating the crossover rival, and/or doing some revamping of the scheduling to encourage more matchups which would be infrequent with the current setup, I'm curious to know whether some rivalries will be restored, eliminated, or if new ones could potentially be created. 

Who are FSU's top three ACC rivals and what is your impression as to the top conference rivals for the other 13 ACC schools in your opinion (i.e. who are the three schools that each school would need to play every year)? This is for football only and you can use any fram of reference or thought process to come up with your picks. I understand that I have a view of it only as a UNC fan so my thoughts could be off. I'm trying to understand how other fanbases feel.  Here is my shot at it (in order):


BC: 1. Syracuse, 2. Miami, 3. Pittsburgh
Clemson: 1. GT, 2. FSU, 3. NC State
dook: 1. UNC, 2. Virginia, 3. Wake Forest
FSU: 1. Miami, 2. GT, 3. Clemson
GT: 1. Clemson, 2. FSU, 3. Miami
Louisville: 1. Pitt, 2. Miami, 3. VT
Miami: 1. FSU, 2. BC, 3. VT
NC State: 1. UNC, 2. Clemson, 3. Wake Forest
UNC: 1. dook, 2. State, 3. UVa
Pittsburgh: 1. Syracuse, 2. VT, 3. BC
Syracuse: 1. Miami, 2. BC, 3. Pitt
Wake Forest: 1. UNC, 2. dook, 3. Clemson
Virginia: 1. VT, 2. UNC, 3. dook
VT: 1. UVa, 2. UNC, 3. Pitt

Which are off and who am I missing?
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Posted: 2/9/2014 3:00 PM

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For FSU, I think of it as Miami, Clemson, G Tech
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Posted: 2/9/2014 7:56 PM

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FSU - Miami, Clemson, North Carolina State
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Posted: 2/9/2014 10:57 PM

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gergsport wrote: For FSU, I think of it as Miami, Clemson, G Tech
Sounds about right, but I think of them more as "occasional threats" than true rivals at this point.  UF is a true rival; miami just a historical rival; and Clemson is just a wannabe.

 

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Posted: 2/10/2014 2:08 AM

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Clemson, Wake Forest, Miami
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Posted: 2/10/2014 7:18 AM

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For Florida State it's really only Miami though Clemson is beginning to emerge. From those two it's a long way down to everyone else.

Mind you that many of our fans want to annually play GT, but that desire derives more from proximity (and the fact that we have a lot of alums in metro Atlanta) than it does from any feeling of rivalry.

Many GT hold by the way a strong affinity for playing Duke. The game has been played annually for ages.
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Posted: 2/10/2014 8:26 AM

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I know this a ACC list me being a clemson fan back in the day i consider UNC and Maryland a hated rival. I think clemson natural rivals are usuck and ugay

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Posted: 2/10/2014 8:36 AM

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I know this a ACC list me being a clemson fan back in the day i consider UNC and Maryland a hated rival. I think clemson natural rivals are usuck and ugay

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Why fans spell teams names like that is what is truly gay my friend

Miami is the only rival for FSU imo, lolz at mission saying Wake Forest

Last edited 2/10/2014 8:37 AM by NoVaIsBack

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Posted: 2/10/2014 4:52 PM

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I have posted this thread on several Scout ACC boards.  I think I made a mistake in putting the word "rival" in the subject line.  I really just want to know that in the event that the ACC mixes up the scheduling to a three annual game schedule, who would the three opponents that you would like to play annually be.  Obviously, there are a lot of ramifications with that including balancing your scheduling strength as well as looking to the future. 

From an outsider's perspective, everyone knows that the FSU/Miami rivalry is probably the biggest historically and I think few would argue with Clemson being the 2nd biggest.  The question is really about the third and what you would like to accomplish with that annual matchup.  I would think having State or Wake in that slot would serve serveral purposes not limited to balancing out your schedule strength.

There is a lot of rumor floating around about the ACC redoing the schedule such that games like FSU/GT occur more frequently than once every six years.  I am firmly against expanding to a 9 game schedule and hope that the league has enough foresight to be more creative than that even if it means eliminating divisions or doing something like dynamic divisions to increase cross play.  Would love to see the Heels and Noles play more frequently...
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Posted: 2/10/2014 5:51 PM

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I've been saying for awhile now that there is a quick fix for all of the scheduling problems, that keeps us at 8 games, keeps the important rivalries, requires no NCAA legislation to change the rules on conducting a championship game, and allows for more rotation through the league.

Flip flop Miami and FSU's divisions every two years. You basicallys till get static divisions except for those two teams. FSU and Miami would always play each other and either GT or Clemson as their cross-divisional rivals. FSU and Miami would not need to be scheduled as a cross-divisional rival for any other teams because you will always play them twice every four years, and the other teams could have one arch rival cross-over game and rotate the other five teams.

If playing non-rivals once every five years cross-divisionally is still too infrequent, flip flop both FSU and Clemson with Miami and GT every two years (GT could play Duke as their cross-divisional game in years they are in the Atlantic).

Such a simple and elegant solution. So that's how we know it will never happen.
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Posted: 5/13/2014 11:59 PM

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That would be an interesting solution, but the primary complaint about the current system is that teams like Syracuse and BC and Louisville don't get to play UNC, GT, and VT but once every six years.  It would be great to play either FSU or Miami every year, but as a UNC fan/alum, I want to get back to playing Clemson and Wake with some regularity, and it's not even going to feel like Louisville and Syracuse are in our league.
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Posted: 5/14/2014 4:41 PM

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Miami and Clem are the games I think that are most important, GT would be on the wish list if there was room for a 3rd.
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Posted: 5/14/2014 10:28 PM

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The last time I did this (I have been saying this was a possibility in articles on Southern Pigskin for 3 years) it was on the Louisville Scout board. Below is what I came up with:

All signs indicate that we are keeping an 8 game conference schedule. If we each have 3 annual rivals, we will play the other 10 teams in the conference 2 times every 4 years. We will see every team at least twice every 4 years. 


That seems to me to be close to ideal. None of us have more than 3 teams we must play each year. Each of us now plays annual games against 2 or 3 schools that our fans would not mind seeing less often, and each of us have fans who would greatly prefer to play a team or two or three more often than the old NCAA rules allow.

Below is my list of 3 annual rivals for each full member of ACC football. It starts with the MUST PLAY games, based on history (like The South's Oldest Rivalry and GT-Dook) and the need to maximize TV interests and deal with SEC rivalries (which is the reason I have FSU playing GT annually), and then taking account of Thanksgiving weekend season ending games. 

All teams should play every Thanksgiving weekend so no one ever plays in the Championship after a bye week. We have 4 teams that will end the season versus SEC in-state rivals (FSU, GT, Clemson, and Louisville). UVA and VT must end the season. So must the 4 NC schools, though it might be interesting to have that rotate, so that in some years UNC closes with Dook while MooU closes with Wake, and in other years UNC closes with MooU while Dook closes with Wake.

That leaves 4 teams who need an annual season ending game: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC. BC and Cuse, as border state schools, probably should close the season, which would leave Miami closing with Pitt. 

With all that in mind, here is my list:

BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake
Syracuse - BC, Pitt, Louisville
Pitt - BC, Syracuse, Miami
Louisville - VT, Syracuse, UVA
UVA - UNC, VT, Louisville
VT - UVA, Louisville, Miami
UNC - UVA, Dook, MooU
Dook - UNC, Wake, GT
MooU - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Wake - Dook, MooU, BC
Clemson - GT, FSU, MooU
GT - Clemson, FSU, Dook
FSU - Miami, Clemson, GT
Miami - FSU, Pitt, VT

The one change to the above I now think makes it ideal is to have Miami play Syracuse annually instead of Pitt, which means Louisville would play Pitt annually rather than Cuse. The reason is that when Miami is really good, the Canes do extremely well in NYC TV ratings. The ACC needs to maximize that by having Miami and Cuse play annually.

For season enders - that would mean Miami closes with Cuse and Pitt closes with BC.
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Posted: 5/15/2014 9:10 AM

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The way I look at it is, which teams do teams want to beat the most.

VT - GT
Miami - FSU
Virginia - VT
Wake - FSU
Syracuse - Pitt
Pitt - Syracuse
UNC - Duke
Duke- UNC
NC State - UNC
Lousiville - FSU
GT- Clemson
BC - FSU
Clemson - FSU

We are the target on nearly every team's schedule in the ACC. The only true rivalry games in the ACC are Duke/UNC, Clemson/FSU, Miami/FSU, GT/Clemson, and Virginia/VT. Every other one is over shadowed by big games against us, Clemson, VT, and Miami.
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Posted: 5/15/2014 9:44 PM

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As a Louisville alum and fan, I'd rather bet the crap out of the U! That rivalry is starting to heat up a bit. But a school with the history of FSU would be an honor, just not sure it would be a rivalry, but who knows, maybe in time.
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The way I look at it is, which teams do teams want to beat the most.

VT - GT
Miami - FSU
Virginia - VT
Wake - FSU
Syracuse - Pitt
Pitt - Syracuse
UNC - Duke
Duke- UNC
NC State - UNC
Lousiville - FSU
GT- Clemson
BC - FSU
Clemson - FSU

We are the target on nearly every team's schedule in the ACC. The only true rivalry games in the ACC are Duke/UNC, Clemson/FSU, Miami/FSU, GT/Clemson, and Virginia/VT. Every other one is over shadowed by big games against us, Clemson, VT, and Miami.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 10:11 PM

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I like your school and your sports programs but when it comes to football no it probably would not be much of a rivalry.  If one team is much better than the other every year it just can not happen.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:30 AM

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Joec5001 wrote: I like your school and your sports programs but when it comes to football no it probably would not be much of a rivalry.  If one team is much better than the other every year it just can not happen.
Not necessarily.

ND owns Navy, but it is a meaningful rivalry. I am from TN, and Vandy vs. UT matters to both schools though the Vols have always dominated.

Southern Pigskin article on ACC scheduling


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Posted: 5/22/2014 3:51 PM

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Beating Louisville would mean a whole lot to me right now. UL beat FSU the last time the 2 teams played and they are going to be one of the better opponents FSU plays all year and probably every year.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 3:57 PM

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GarrettTD23 wrote: Beating Louisville would mean a whole lot to me right now. UL beat FSU the last time the 2 teams played and they are going to be one of the better opponents FSU plays all year and probably every year.
I feared that one though-- at UL, in the rain, with the Jeff offense and all around obsolete and poor coaching by that staff-- it was not a surprise to me.

This one would be a huge upset.  That's not happening.

 

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