jumping off a sinking ship brother

Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

Still have to wonder why are all of these coaches leaving? Is the NCAA about to come to Tally? Are we in trouble? I have never wittnessed so many people leaving.

TNseminole wrote: Awesome time for FSU leading into the 5th year of the mysterious 5 year plan.

We've lost 6 staff members off a team that retained it's head coach and failed to win a national championship. 

We've lost our top 4 recruiters as well as our major connections to South Florida. 

Jimbo Fisher is still the offensive coordinator despite featuring an offense that was barely top 25 in the country for the 2012 season.......and this is all with the #1, #5 and another top 10 recruiting class of talent on the team and a senior, hand picked quarterback with a veteran, injury free offensive line, and a consensus top 5 defense in the country.

And we have people storming twitter and paysites talking about how this hire is shitty for Miami and no big deal for FSU? 

You'll quickly find that few on the FSU interwebs communities want to hear that assessment of Fisher.  Duck.

That said, everyone who left did so for a promotion and more money.  Why wouldn't they? We lost recruiters in Coley and Gran only. You have to admit if there's one thing Fisher does well it's hiring coaches who are great recruiters. Pruitt and Sunseri and the rest are no slouch in either coaching or recruiting.  Fisher has a chance to hire a real OC here.

If it makes you feel any better, my prediction is that Stoops, Gran and Coley may well have been promoted to the level of their incompetence and will be stupendously mediocre in their new roles-- none of them have shown the strengths required for those positions. Meanwhile, FSU has a chance to upgrade its coaching, and I believe that replacing Hudson with Sunseri is a very good example of that.  I also think we'll like Pruitt over Stoops' bend-don't-break-or-blitz defensive scheme.  It can be argued that hiring the 2010 and 2011 recruiters of the year was actually an upgrade as well. But who cares if our classes are now marginally better or worse? We haven't been developing and fully utilizing the talent we did recruit.

The only thing that would concern me with this coaching turnover is seeing Fisher whiff on his chance to hire an actual OC.  If he hires another do-boy, he won't be here more than 2 more years.

I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

If FSU struggles next year and/or our recruiting class this years falls apart, or next years class is just horrible, we know that Jimbo's butt is headed for trouble. It is never good to lose this many coaches in one off-season, unless you are coming off an amazing year which offsets the loss of the coaches to some degree in terms of the school's strength in the eyes of recruits. But if you have what recruits would consider an alright or good (not great) year (at best), and lose 6 coaches, then recruits get skidish. I really hope Jimbo has a plan and is not like, oh gee I didn't see this coming.

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

FSU5410 wrote:

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

This is what I'm thinking as well

Not looking good now. The question is, is Fisher a good person to work for?

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--- FSU5410 wrote:

Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

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Groomed in to the position? Tbh, that's a rather disturbing thought. Who is going to be the one grooming him to be OC? Fisher? When has he shown he was anything more than a mediocre playcaller? Wtf? Is this Florida State or Fresno State? We can't do better than someone that requires ojt? Well, the HC spot was treated as an ojt position, why not the coordinator jobs too? Smh.

Personally, I want to see FSU flex some muscle with the net salary money they gained by the mass exodus and go after a bigtime OC who is already making waves.

Baylor's OC comes to mind. 

To hell with grooming. We don't have time for that. 

PhenomeNOLE wrote:

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--- FSU5410 wrote:

Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

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Groomed in to the position? Tbh, that's a rather disturbing thought. Who is going to be the one grooming him to be OC? Fisher? When has he shown he was anything more than a mediocre playcaller? Wtf? Is this Florida State or Fresno State? We can't do better than someone that requires ojt? Well, the HC spot was treated as an ojt position, why not the coordinator jobs too? Smh.

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--- TNseminole wrote:

Personally, I want to see FSU flex some muscle with the net salary money they gained by the mass exodus and go after a bigtime OC who is already making waves.

Baylor's OC comes to mind. 

To hell with grooming. We don't have time for that. 

PhenomeNOLE wrote:

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--- FSU5410 wrote:

Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

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Groomed in to the position? Tbh, that's a rather disturbing thought. Who is going to be the one grooming him to be OC? Fisher? When has he shown he was anything more than a mediocre playcaller? Wtf? Is this Florida State or Fresno State? We can't do better than someone that requires ojt? Well, the HC spot was treated as an ojt position, why not the coordinator jobs too? Smh.

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+1
We need to hire a proven OC

Baylor runs a spread.  We run a pro-style with spread concepts.  Don't think Jimbo will budge for a complete spread offense. 

TNseminole wrote: Personally, I want to see FSU flex some muscle with the net salary money they gained by the mass exodus and go after a bigtime OC who is already making waves.

Baylor's OC comes to mind. 

To hell with grooming. We don't have time for that. 

PhenomeNOLE wrote:

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--- FSU5410 wrote:

Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

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Groomed in to the position? Tbh, that's a rather disturbing thought. Who is going to be the one grooming him to be OC? Fisher? When has he shown he was anything more than a mediocre playcaller? Wtf? Is this Florida State or Fresno State? We can't do better than someone that requires ojt? Well, the HC spot was treated as an ojt position, why not the coordinator jobs too? Smh.

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--- HurricaneDeak wrote:

TNseminole wrote: Awesome time for FSU leading into the 5th year of the mysterious 5 year plan.

We've lost 6 staff members off a team that retained it's head coach and failed to win a national championship. 

We've lost our top 4 recruiters as well as our major connections to South Florida. 

Jimbo Fisher is still the offensive coordinator despite featuring an offense that was barely top 25 in the country for the 2012 season.......and this is all with the #1, #5 and another top 10 recruiting class of talent on the team and a senior, hand picked quarterback with a veteran, injury free offensive line, and a consensus top 5 defense in the country.

And we have people storming twitter and paysites talking about how this hire is shitty for Miami and no big deal for FSU? 

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That would have been somewhat entertaining had you put UM on the glasses in some form or fashion as they came down. Try to come a little stronger next time.

Nol3Fan101 wrote: Still have to wonder why are all of these coaches leaving? Is the NCAA about to come to Tally? Are we in trouble? I have never wittnessed so many people leaving.

I doubt it man, good coaches move on.  If anything it speaks of the staff you guys had up there.  I know, everyone is gonna say "well Alabama doesn't lose coaches" but the difference is the Alabama's of the world have a ton of money to show people the $$$ and keep them in place.  I thin in Coley's situtation, Jimbo's reluctance to give up play calling duties did hurt though.

The two most important assistants are (obviously) the DC and OC, so the only important man we lost was Stoops, and  I have a feeling that Pruitt will do a good job replacing him.  Coley was not really our OC, so losing him is no big deal, IMO, except that we may lose a couple of recruits this year.  The second most important assistants are the OL and DL coaches, and there was no change there.  So, bottom line, all those other coaching changes mean little, and all this hand-wringing makes the posters doing so sound like a bunch of old ladies.

steelcane wrote:

Nol3Fan101 wrote: Still have to wonder why are all of these coaches leaving? Is the NCAA about to come to Tally? Are we in trouble? I have never wittnessed so many people leaving.

I doubt it man, good coaches move on.  If anything it speaks of the staff you guys had up there.  I know, everyone is gonna say "well Alabama doesn't lose coaches" but the difference is the Alabama's of the world have a ton of money to show people the $$$ and keep them in place.  I thin in Coley's situtation, Jimbo's reluctance to give up play calling duties did hurt though.

You know, that was my line of thinking too. I know and understand good coaches move on, but dang 6 at once? There is a underlying problem there.

FSU5410 wrote: Coley wants more of a spread.  Jimbo is more prostyle.  Calling plays for Coley was never an option, so his career was stagnant.  

Look for Billy Napier to be groomed into the future playcaller.  Very similar to what Jimbo wants to run.  Smash mouth run it down your throat football.  This is my prediction, so don't kill me on it if it doesn't happen. 

jrfsu wrote: I suspect that either Fisher didn't feel comfortable with Coley calling plays or Fisher doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else calling plays. I hope its the former, but fear it's the latter.

FSUUMB wrote: lol isnt that the problem, why was he not calling plays at FSU?

jrfsu wrote: Good employers want employees to succeed and advance their careers - within the organization, if possible. Outside the organization if need be. Each coach that left here moved up... even Coley who actually gets to call plays now.

Meanwhile, new blood and new ideas can help an organization grow and improve. I am supremely grateful to the group of coaches that left for bringing us into the 21st century. But we are due for some new blood in my opinion. 

On the flip side, losing six of ten employees in one off season is a bit much and as I earlier wrote... I'm very ready for Fisher to relinquish play calling duties. (I'm also not sold on Fisher as a head coach. He should have had to prove himself somewhere before getting a job like Florida State. But what's done is done.)

Napier it will be