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The loss of FSU coaches to better positions at other schools?

Posted: 12/12/2012 6:35 PM

The loss of FSU coaches to better positions at other schools? 


Probably is the best endorsement of Fisher's methodology possible after only 3 years as a head coach.

Here is a guy that may lose 3 or 4 coaches this season to higher positions on the coaching ladder at other schools.   Seems to me that shows that many schools are envious of the coaching hires made by Fisher.   Just a thought but that would seem to make FSU very attractive to any up and coming great driven assistant coach to come to FSU.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 8:40 PM

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Before the doomsayers hijack the thread, I'd like to say I couldn't agree more. It shows Jimbo is a pretty good judge of coaching talent. It stinks to lose good coaches but I trust Jimbo to bring in good replacements.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 9:12 PM

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If guys are leaving for better jobs, and not just lateral movement for more money/prestige, that is fine. I more concerned about not getting a DC yet. According to Tomahawk Nation we lost our shot at Ellis Johnson to be the new DC due to more money Auburn could offer. Who knows if that is true? Perhaps he was never an option? I dunno. We do need to get the DC thing fixed pronto. What is taking so long? Also, when is the AD situation getting resolved? Last I heard Spetman only had a 1 year deal, that will expire soon. That sounds like Barron buying time until he can find a more longer term solution, who is our long term guy at AD? I would argue the biggest issue at FSU in terms of athletics it is no powerful AD in place.

Why is the AD situation up in the air still?
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Posted: 12/12/2012 9:22 PM

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Fisher hints he may already have replacement for defensive coordinator.

http://www.tallahassee.com/art...?nclick_check=1
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Posted: 12/12/2012 11:33 PM

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Jimbo is a good coach.  He just called the wrong plays.  If he called the right plays, then EJ wouldn't suck so bad and turn the ball over 4 times against UF.


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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:06 AM

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I agree with the article, I think someone already has the job.I think its not going to be announced yet because IMO the coach is still coaching.Cough cough"NFL" Cough cough
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:48 AM

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Mickey's defense became obsolete in the spread era. That is why he was sort of pushed out. He refused to adapt. Stoops blitzed way more than he gets credit for. Oh and how was the D soft? In the Fl game, it wasn't the D's fault. We kept giving them a short field. Any D in a rivalry game would have issues with that.
nole4life52 wrote: Hey guys I'm new here but as a long time Nole fan since 79 I have certainly seen FSU rise to an elite level by having great coaches. With that said I loved Mickeys get in your face style of defensive. His style of defensive worked for years and I still see it today. Look how Georgia was in Driskel's grill all day and FU couldn't do crap because of UGA's defensive pressure and FSU made Florida look like world beaters against us with that stoops bend but not break style of defensive?Yea Stoops turned our Defensive around but his style was to soft. We need to bring back toughness to Florida State. That was how our program was built to reach the milestones we were at in the 90's. I just hope Jimbo brings in someone like Mickey that's all.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:04 AM

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FSUUMB wrote: Mickey's defense became obsolete in the spread era. That is why he was sort of pushed out. He refused to adapt. Stoops blitzed way more than he gets credit for. Oh and how was the D soft? In the Fl game, it wasn't the D's fault. We kept giving them a short field. Any D in a rivalry game would have issues with that.
nole4life52 wrote: Hey guys I'm new here but as a long time Nole fan since 79 I have certainly seen FSU rise to an elite level by having great coaches. With that said I loved Mickeys get in your face style of defensive. His style of defensive worked for years and I still see it today. Look how Georgia was in Driskel's grill all day and FU couldn't do crap because of UGA's defensive pressure and FSU made Florida look like world beaters against us with that stoops bend but not break style of defensive?Yea Stoops turned our Defensive around but his style was to soft. We need to bring back toughness to Florida State. That was how our program was built to reach the milestones we were at in the 90's. I just hope Jimbo brings in someone like Mickey that's all.
I DVR the games and go back and watch them. Stoops doesnt bring pressure like you think. He didnt  adjust well to tackle over which UF ran 80% of the second half.  He didnt blitz second half of NCST either. He rushed 4 and played 2 man. Stoops did a good job here, im not saying he didnt. He wasnt as great as some think IMO.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:32 AM

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I was never impressed with Stoops and always thought we could have done better. Now we get a second chance at picking up a DC along with a couple of other assistants.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:23 AM

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Probably in the minority, but instead of seeing it as an endorsement of methodology, I see it as confirmation that Jimbo is an ******* and nobody wants to work with him.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:27 AM

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TNseminole wrote: Probably in the minority, but instead of seeing it as an endorsement of methodology, I see it as confirmation that Jimbo is an ******* and nobody wants to work with him.
I doubt this is true, and Im not sure how you see it as confirmation lol

I can understand thinking its possible, but confirmation ? that is just stupid, you don't know chit so how could it be confirmation 

Im gonna laugh like hell when FSU closes strong

Assistant coaches mean jack chit so long as you can replace them with good coaches and there are plenty of good ones out there that would kill to coach at FSU, and what exactly did all these so called great coaches do ? 

Lead us to a very unimpressive ACC title ? wow, lets give them all million dollar salaries 

Give me a break, FSU needs a new staff if you ask me... cause the one we had proved nothing to me 

Craig, Gran, all of them are complete horse chit iyam and vastly over-rated by this fan base 

Not surprising though, its why I hate 98% of Nole fans
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:37 AM

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You are right about 2 things:

1st, Confirmation was a terrible word to use, but I had indictment before and it didn't work either. 

In hindsight, I would have probably used something like "possible proof based on internet rumors"

2nd, you are right. I don't know chit. Just pissing in the wind like everyone else and acting surprised when I get a splash or two.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:44 AM

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TNseminole wrote: You are right about 2 things:

1st, Confirmation was a terrible word to use, but I had indictment before and it didn't work either. 

In hindsight, I would have probably used something like "possible proof based on internet rumors"

2nd, you are right. I don't know chit. Just pissing in the wind like everyone else and acting surprised when I get a splash or two.
I feel you man, its hard not to wonder why 

But none of these coaches showed me a damn thing and their recruiting abilities are vastly over-rated 

Selling FSU to kids is easy to do, I honestly believe I could recruit for FSU as good if not better than most of them 

Gran as a special teams coach was a friggin joke, not sure why he can't teach a PR how to catch a freaking punt 

If Craig had anything to do with EJ's lack of development then he can die in a fire for all I care 

Stoops, lolz... one of the most " meh " defensive coaches I have ever seen... coaching a bunch of 4 and 5 star kids to #2 defense in the ACC is far from impressive, and only 19 turnovers on the year is pathetic and I mean incredibly pathetic 

Eliot is the biggest loss and coaching DE's isn't that impressive... no matter how good you are 

Im hope Dawsey leaves too cause his WR's have never impressed me his entire time here 

At this point I wish the whole fuggin staff would move on cause Trickett and Jimbo suck too imo

I would only keep Haggins
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:55 AM

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nole4life52 wrote: Mickey was spot on before is son passed. Coach Bowden talked him to coming back when in fact Mickey wasn't into it anymore after his son passed on is front yard! Mickey came back because of loyalty to Coach Bowden and just tried to survive with less talented players than we have now. I lost my first son to a liver disease when he was 22 months and guys trust me that will take all a person has out of the them when it comes to any career that we are
in. Mickey just wasn't in the game anymore after his son died but he's a hall of fame coach and we need a coach that will bring toughness like Mickey did. Who will Jimbo bring in?
Couldn't agree more.  I cannot imagine losing my son.   It would put me out of commission.  I'm very sorry you lost your son like that as well.  I truly cannot imagine...I've talked to Mickey's grandson a few times and he seems like a great kid.  I always liked Mickey and I think people who know the Andrews knew what was up.

That said, it wouldnt surprise me to see him pop up somewhere coaching.  Coach Andrews really was a great, legendary coach.  And it wasnt just because he had all that talent.  He was also a great coach at  Clemson, then Florida under Pell.  UF was very unhappy when he came here to replace Jack Stanton.  YOU old timers remember Stanton, right?
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:55 PM

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Stanton? Not sure if I remember him. What years is he from?
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:58 PM

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Nova I agree! Clean the dad gum house, keep haggins, and start over.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 2:01 PM

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nole4life52 wrote: Hey guys I'm new here but as a long time Nole fan since 79 I have certainly seen FSU rise to an elite level by having great coaches. With that said I loved Mickeys get in your face style of defensive. His style of defensive worked for years and I still see it today. Look how Georgia was in Driskel's grill all day and FU couldn't do crap because of UGA's defensive pressure and FSU made Florida look like world beaters against us with that stoops bend but not break style of defensive?Yea Stoops turned our Defensive around but his style was to soft. We need to bring back toughness to Florida State. That was how our program was built to reach the milestones we were at in the 90's. I just hope Jimbo brings in someone like Mickey that's all.
Tend to agree... The bend but don't break zone defense works well against some teams but not so well against others.  Certainly both NC St and Florida would have had problems with the more aggressive blitzing man on man style Andrews brought to the table.   Stoops had the horses this year to run any style defense but chose to stay with his type of defense with little if any blitzing. I also think more active ball stripping style should be a part of FSU's defense in the future. With the crappy ACC officiating many of those even after the whistle would be declared recovered fumbles.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:43 PM

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Does anybody know about this DB coach from Bama who Jimbo wants to interview as the next Defensive Coordinator?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:20 PM

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nole4life52 wrote: Does anybody know about this DB coach from Bama who Jimbo wants to interview as the next Defensive Coordinator?

Not much, but could mean Jimbo is looking to switching to a 3-4. Jimbo will get a good one. IMO Saban must have called Jimbo about this guy.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:22 AM

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Looks like he has been hired. I am little surprised but the more I look into it, the more I like it. 

http://alabama.247sports.com/A...da-State-106887


http://blog.al.com/tide-source..._intense_t.html
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