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RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:18 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
don't give me that crap, as YOU stated you've complained on here 100 times about the games being in Wgh and since you're from Charleston, hmmmmmm what's this guys "agenda" i wasn't born yesterday PAL you hear some disgruntled guy from Charleston say our bid was better and you swallow it hook, line and sinker Normally, it's extremely hard to compare bids like that because they all put out different criteria (you know apples and oranges) i don't buy the "conspiracy theory rhetoric" IT'S SOUR GRAPES
304live wrote: guys like 304live thinking? you obviously just dont read what I type
as I've stated about 100 times
I dont care where the championship game is held as long as it is the one that has the best bid... Wheeling setting on its laurels just because its better than Charleston in the 80's is not in the mind of many giving us the best championship game that the kids could have... I would like to see the bids open for public review after the bid process ... it would end all of the after the fact talking by cities who put in bids that the process is rigged to give wheeling the games no matter who/what other cities bid/offer |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 9:42 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Actually this is just yet another example of you either not reading what is typed... Or just not having a care of whats typed... It is multiple cities that have made the claim...
Huntingtons bid was claimed to be the same bid that they won the 1aa national championship game with...
Just to clear something up for you..... stating that the process is not transparent is not a complaint about the product... Stating that comparing events from 20 to 40 years ago to today is an incorrect way to evaluate the product... Stating these things do not constitute "complaining" to normal people who want the best... Those things are called creating an atmosphere of competitive excellence
My agenda?
Get the best for the kids thats possible...
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Posted: 2/25/2012 9:55 PM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
For what its worth, the state championship football sites DID used to be chosen the week before the event, and was generally about halfway in-between the schools. Back in the 60s and 70s. The Super Six concept was not developed until 1978.
Texas did this recently too, but they were playing in such places as the Astrodome, Texas Stadium, the Alamodome, etc...so that's an extremely unfair comparison. |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 10:18 PM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
I say Flatwoods.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 12:56 AM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Get the best for the kids thats possible... Thanks for the rationale Because that's exactly the reason it was removed from Charleston Saying multiple cities complained carries exactly NO weight because it's the very same cities that have a vested interest in complaining ie, MY bid was the same or better than Wheelings (see a slight conflict of interest???) when Huntington, Beckley or Charleston claims their bid was as good or better than Wheelings it's merely "self serving" saying Huntingtons bid was claimed to be this or that is absurd (show me) I can say Wheelings bid was better than the last Super Bowl bid - you can SAY whatever benefits your cause In actuality, you're saying there's a "conspiracy" by the SSAC to throw out better bids Bottom line: the championship was moved from Charleston because: 1. as you said it was whats best for the kids 2. Wheeling made it an event - rather than play the game get on the bus and go home 3. Charleston fans didn't support the event even when hometown teams played 4. and of course there's the conspiracy of the SSAC (located in Parkersburg) to benefit Wheeling, lmao i've heard at least half of the SSAC members have condos on the Riveria from all the Wheeling kickbacks keep them alligator tears flowing my friend (and I love how you try to disguise your crying by saying you only want what's best for the kids), you had a good thing, took it for granted and lost it where was that "what's best for the kids" attitude when it was in Charleston? 304live wrote: Actually this is just yet another example of you either not reading what is typed... Or just not having a care of whats typed... It is multiple cities that have made the claim...
Huntingtons bid was claimed to be the same bid that they won the 1aa national championship game with...
Just to clear something up for you..... stating that the process is not transparent is not a complaint about the product... Stating that comparing events from 20 to 40 years ago to today is an incorrect way to evaluate the product... Stating these things do not constitute "complaining" to normal people who want the best... Those things are called creating an atmosphere of competitive excellence
My agenda?
Get the best for the kids thats possible... |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:35 AM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Thanks for the info. I was truely serious when I brought this up.
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For what its worth, the state championship football sites DID used to be chosen the week before the event, and was generally about halfway in-between the schools. Back in the 60s and 70s. The Super Six concept was not developed until 1978.
Texas did this recently too, but they were playing in such places as the Astrodome, Texas Stadium, the Alamodome, etc...so that's an extremely unfair comparison.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 9:55 AM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Those of you who suggest Braxton County/Flatwoods as a permanent site: I`m sorry, it`s just not feasible. The lack of lodging space and retaurants isn`t even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that a whole lot of money would be invested in building facilities that would be used one weekend a year. You would have to come up with some other events to make it economically feasible, because one weekend of revenue per year is not going to amortize the investment. So what other events do you have in mind? Tractor pulls? Rock concerts? Those types of shows would have the same problem with lack of lodging and restaurants.
Last edited 2/26/2012 2:09 PM by oldtimer67
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Posted: 2/26/2012 1:07 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Alright man you win...
Wheelings offerings are so great that nobody will ever be able to touch it
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:14 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Wheelings offerings are so great that nobody will ever be able to touch it. I never said that nor do I think it. You have NO logic except telling us what everyone else thinks and I'm not buying the conspiracy theory either. I was anxiously waiting for some more of your examples of what "everyone", "they" or "the entire state" thinks. When you make such absurd statements as if you're talking for hundreds, thousands or a million other people you lose all "credibility". If you aren't gonna give us any more "everyone", "they" or "the entire state" statements at least let us know what Beckley, Princeton, Martinsburg or Parkersburg thinks (you've already given us Huntingtons viewpoint). I'm curious as to how someone like you is tuned in to every single city and what "the entire state" is thinking. We're a little full of ourself aren't we 304? However, IMO Charleston had their shot and seriously botched it. No reason to think they'd do any better with a second chance. Fool me once........ 304live wrote: Alright man you win...
Wheelings offerings are so great that nobody will ever be able to touch it
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:47 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
How much sense does the State Cross Country Championships at Cabel Midland make? The answer is all about $$$$$. They have a corporate sponsor that "chips in" money to the WVSSAC. No question that Cabel Midland does an outstanding job but not any better than any number of schools could also do. Maybe a return to rotating between the four regions yearly might work. It worked in the past. Or the best answer would be to move the XC Championship to Jackson's Mill. That is the geographic center of WV and how great would it be to be to house and feed all the athletes at "The Mill." Oh excuse me. That would make too much sense and who cares about X-Country anyway other than the athletes looking for a fair shake.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:50 AM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
blu31 wrote: How much sense does the State Cross Country Championships at Cabel Midland make? The answer is all about $$$$$. They have a corporate sponsor that "chips in" money to the WVSSAC. No question that Cabel Midland does an outstanding job but not any better than any number of schools could also do. Maybe a return to rotating between the four regions yearly might work. It worked in the past. Or the best answer would be to move the XC Championship to Jackson's Mill. That is the geographic center of WV and how great would it be to be to house and feed all the athletes at "The Mill." Oh excuse me. That would make too much sense and who cares about X-Country anyway other than the athletes looking for a fair shake. if xc has a corporate sponsor then the wvssac should be writing a check to all the football programs that pay for their schools xc teams to travel around the state...seriously though, jacksons mill would be an excellent opportunity...ps if the state or ssac put in facilities in brxtn co that were nice enough...people would be using them all year...also, dormitory lodging for the teams would be easy to build on-site and also be very convenient for team meetings and such...a corporate sponsor could finance a good portion of the facilities...wv paving companies are making tons of money in the state | 1 | KOKOSING CONSTRUCTION CO INC | COLUMBUS OH | $83,390,739.00 | | 2 | WV PAVING INC | ATLANTA GA | $69,542,828.00 | | 3 | ORDERS CONSTRUCTION CO INC | ST ALBANS WV | $44,553,985.00 | | 4 | AHERN & ASSOC INC | SOUTH CHARLESTON WV | $30,287,051.00 | | 5 | UNISYS CORP | CHICAGO IL | $27,884,100.00 | | 6 | BRAYMAN CONSTRUCTION CORP | SAXONBURG PA | $22,819,852.00 | | 7 | WEXFORD HEALTH SOURCES INC | PITTSBURGH PA | $20,807,442.00 | | 8 | KELLY PAVING INC | WILLIAMSTOWN WV | $20,547,141.00 | | 9 | NICEWONDER CONTRACTING INC | CHICAGO IL | $20,170,382.00 | | 10 | MOUNTAINEER CONTRACTORS INC | KINGWOOD WV | $19,800,006.00 | | 11 | KANAWHA STONE CO INC | NITRO WV | $18,879,110.00 | | 12 | APPALACHIAN POWER CO | CANTON OH | $18,329,018.00 | | 13 | J F ALLEN CO | BUCKHANNON WV | $18,021,056.00 | | 14 | PRIMECARE MEDICAL OF WV INC | HARRISBURG PA | $17,036,749.00 | | 15 | ALLEGHENY POWER | GREENSBURG PA | $16,481,967.00 |
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Last edited 2/27/2012 10:22 AM by fubar72
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:14 AM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
It's in Wheeling. It's going to be in Wheeling. Fine. As long as that bridge holds up that I have to cross to get out there, I'm good.
I care not where the game is, frankly. I'm not on any committee to bring it to Charleson & I'm not going to wax helmets or press & hang jerseys to help bring it here.
My son played in it this year, & had to stay in a DUMP with three big guys in a room with two double beds. Most of the parents that went up on Friday stayed in Ohio.
The field was nice. There was parking. Both teams travelled ok. No complaints about the facility. Was a casino, some liquor/smoke shops, & a strip joint near by. Big ******* deal. If you don't like strippers, drinking, smoking, or gambling, 1-don't go in there, & 2-you're boring & all of your stories suck.
My question is- What is 'the event" that I keep hearing about?
He must've missed it. Was it their :35 minutes at Cabela's? They took them to a store & said 'go walk around'.
If that's 'the event', the Towncenter Mall would seem like DisneyWorld.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:29 AM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
check out the two links above...those companies are the biggest beneficiaries of state money...wv paving, out of atlanta, ga?, received 90 million plus in 2010...i would think they would be the perfect candidate to start the building process
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:50 AM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
there are 4-H camps all over the state with dorm style lodging ... jackson's mill is the nicest though
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Posted: 2/28/2012 10:53 AM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
any more ideas?...what if several of those top companies donated 5% of the money they earned off of the state of WV?...wouldnt that be good for their taxes...wouldnt that provide a very nice amount of capital to get started and do things right in brxtn co?...thoughts on the subject?
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Posted: 2/28/2012 11:39 AM
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wouldnt they just charge 5% more to the state if they were going to be mandated to "donate" money?
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:00 PM
RE: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
oldtimer67 wrote: Those of you who suggest Braxton County/Flatwoods as a permanent site: I`m sorry, it`s just not feasible. The lack of lodging space and retaurants isn`t even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that a whole lot of money would be invested in building facilities that would be used one weekend a year. You would have to come up with some other events to make it economically feasible, because one weekend of revenue per year is not going to amortize the investment. So what other events do you have in mind? Tractor pulls? Rock concerts? Those types of shows would have the same problem with lack of lodging and restaurants. you know the old saying { build it and they will come } Build the facilities for everything football, basketball, baseball,wrestling, track and field, soccer, cross country and it will pay for its self with in 10 years and I think it would be a good investment for the state and as far as hotels and food that would take care of its self .
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:10 PM
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285class wrote:
oldtimer67 wrote: Those of you who suggest Braxton County/Flatwoods as a permanent site: I`m sorry, it`s just not feasible. The lack of lodging space and retaurants isn`t even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that a whole lot of money would be invested in building facilities that would be used one weekend a year. You would have to come up with some other events to make it economically feasible, because one weekend of revenue per year is not going to amortize the investment. So what other events do you have in mind? Tractor pulls? Rock concerts? Those types of shows would have the same problem with lack of lodging and restaurants. you know the old saying { build it and they will come } Build the facilities for everything football, basketball, baseball,wrestling, track and field, soccer, cross country and it will pay for its self with in 10 years and I think it would be a good investment for the state and as far as hotels and food that would take care of its self . No. The rest of the year those hotels and restaurants would stay empty. The Flatwoods suggestion is absurd.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 1:40 PM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
Even if by some miracle you found sponsors to build facilities in Braxton Co, what is it that would supposedly attract people there the other 45 weeks of the year? Hunting for the Flatwoods Monster?
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Posted: 2/28/2012 2:18 PM
Re: Charleston Complaints about Championship Games
dont be near-sighted in your thinking...quality facilities will be used year-round...north-south shrine game...wv high school combines...basketball camps...it will be used
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