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REVIEW: Transfer Rules

Posted: 8/1/2012 11:21 AM

REVIEW: Transfer Rules 


Obviously there are a lot of questions around the transfer rules for our players.  I thought it might be good to recap them here and let the mods decided if they should be pinned for a few days.

All of the official rules can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...2/july/21207234

In summary:
PSU players can transfer anywhere and be eligible to play immediately until the start of Fall practice 2013.

There are 2 restrictions to this:
- If they play in a game for PSU in 2012, they have to sit out the rest of the season (but can still transfer). 
- They have to be accepted at the school.

Otherwise, if you can think of an accomodation the NCAA could make to make this process easier on the player to leave, they made it.  The guys can take 5 official visits again, coaches can directly contact them this year until the start of classes (Aug 27), scholarship limits don't apply to PSU players, players can start practicing immediately at their new school while they wait for official acceptance, ....

edit - updated the link

Last edited 8/10/2012 1:23 PM by CoffeeBreak

Posted: 8/1/2012 11:22 AM

RE: Transfer Rules - Possibly Pin? 


Thanks for posting. Good reference.

Posted: 8/1/2012 2:12 PM

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thanks coffee

Posted: 8/1/2012 2:26 PM

Re: REVIEW: Transfer Rules 



CoffeeBreak wrote: Obviously there are a lot of questions around the transfer rules for our players.  I thought it might be good to recap them here and let the mods decided if they should be pinned for a few days.

All of the official rules can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...120723/21207234

In summary:
PSU players can transfer anywhere and be eligible to play immediately until the start of Fall practice 2013.

There are 2 restrictions to this:
- If they play in a game for PSU in 2012, they have to sit out the rest of the season (but can still transfer). 
- They have to be accepted at the school.

Otherwise, if you can think of an accomodation the NCAA could make to make this process easier on the player to leave, they made it.  The guys can take 5 official visits again, coaches can directly contact them this year until the start of classes (Aug 27), scholarship limits don't apply to PSU players, players can start practicing immediately at their new school while they wait for official acceptance, ....
Note that the transfer is allowed to practice with the new team even before being formally admitted into the new school.

I'm surprised the NCAA didn't make it easier by letting transfers play in a GAME before actually being admitted in the new school
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Posted: 8/1/2012 4:09 PM

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Espn had reported in one of the Silas Redd articles that once a player practices with a team then he can no longer transfer. Did I read it wrong or was espn incorrect?

Posted: 8/1/2012 4:39 PM

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jaydog27 wrote: Espn had reported in one of the Silas Redd articles that once a player practices with a team then he can no longer transfer. Did I read it wrong or was espn incorrect?

I saw that somewhere too, they were wrong.  Although the way ESPN has called the shots in this they will probably get the rule changed to make them correct.  I think they got confused because that is when the transfer fun all stops in 2013.

Posted: 8/2/2012 11:02 AM

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So in theory, if every PSU player left and went to Michigan (I understand its as unlikely as anything), the entire PSU team wouldn't count against the scholarship limits? So UM could have potentially 150+ scholarship players by rule. Is that correct?

Posted: 8/2/2012 11:29 AM

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kjb290 wrote: So in theory, if every PSU player left and went to Michigan (I understand its as unlikely as anything), the entire PSU team wouldn't count against the scholarship limits? So UM could have potentially 150+ scholarship players by rule. Is that correct?
Yes, but teams who take PSU transfers and are over 85 already are allowed that many fewer scholarships next year.

So if UM took 10 players, they could only have 75 'ships next year.

Posted: 8/2/2012 12:00 PM

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Gotcha, what about if they only took seniors or just didn't renew the underclassmen's scholarships?
underscoreTom wrote:
kjb290 wrote: So in theory, if every PSU player left and went to Michigan (I understand its as unlikely as anything), the entire PSU team wouldn't count against the scholarship limits? So UM could have potentially 150+ scholarship players by rule. Is that correct?
Yes, but teams who take PSU transfers and are over 85 already are allowed that many fewer scholarships next year.

So if UM took 10 players, they could only have 75 'ships next year.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 6:50 AM

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Seniors still count toward the scholarship reduction the following year also in the case of Silas leaving for the NFL after his JR year, USC would still have to count a scholarship the next year. No matter how you spin this, it still *****banghead 

Penn State is going to be held ramsom until next August.

Posted: 8/10/2012 11:07 AM

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underscoreTom wrote:
kjb290 wrote: So in theory, if every PSU player left and went to Michigan (I understand its as unlikely as anything), the entire PSU team wouldn't count against the scholarship limits? So UM could have potentially 150+ scholarship players by rule. Is that correct?
Yes, but teams who take PSU transfers and are over 85 already are allowed that many fewer scholarships next year.

So if UM took 10 players, they could only have 75 'ships next year.
That is a little confused.

If a team takes 10 PSU players they would have a scholarship count of 95 this year. ...

Next year they would have to return to the 85 limit like every one else.

So the number of kids they could recruit next year ( actually sign) would be determined by how many scholarships below 85 they would have still on their roster going into recruiting next year.

Posted: 8/10/2012 11:20 AM

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jaydog27 wrote: Espn had reported in one of the Silas Redd articles that once a player practices with a team then he can no longer transfer. Did I read it wrong or was espn incorrect?
You misinterpreted it IMO.

Once a kid (who transferred out of PSU) participates in a practice at his new school, he cannot transfer back or anywhere else without losing a year of eligibility. So he can transfer any time, but the special deal he gets from leaving PSU is only one way, he loses the exception if he comes back after a practice (or goes anywhere else)


It relates to PSU in that if a kid plays one down in a game at PSU he cannot transfer until after the season, he could drop off the team and still keep his scholie until he transfers after the season

This crap persists until  NEXT year....so our kids are fair game for the slime balls until they begin pre season practice NEXT year.

Posted: 8/10/2012 11:33 AM

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Does the first restriction listed in the original post ("If they play in a game for PSU in 2012") refer to the player being active/in uniform for a game or do they actually have to be in for a play/snap?

Posted: 8/10/2012 1:34 PM

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psuabs wrote:
Does the first restriction listed in the original post ("If they play in a game for PSU in 2012") refer to the player being active/in uniform for a game or do they actually have to be in for a play/snap?
They aren't 100% clear, here is the exact text:
  • Student-athletes who transfer during the 2012 season and have not competed for Penn State during that season will be immediately eligible for competition upon transfer, provided they are admitted under the normal process and are otherwise eligible per NCAA regulations.  Student-athletes who transfer during the 2012 season after having competed for Penn State will not be eligible for competition during the same season at the next institution.

It depends on your interpretation of the word competed.  I am choosing to apply it in the context of the redshirt rule.  The kid can dress but isn't considered having competed until he plays a down of football. 

That also is the least favorable interpretation for PSU so I'm sure that is what the NCAA intended.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:15 PM

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CoffeeBreak wrote: Obviously there are a lot of questions around the transfer rules for our players.  I thought it might be good to recap them here and let the mods decided if they should be pinned for a few days.

All of the official rules can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...2/july/21207234

In summary:
PSU players can transfer anywhere and be eligible to play immediately until the start of Fall practice 2013.

There are 2 restrictions to this:
- If they play in a game for PSU in 2012, they have to sit out the rest of the season (but can still transfer). 
- They have to be accepted at the school.

Otherwise, if you can think of an accomodation the NCAA could make to make this process easier on the player to leave, they made it.  The guys can take 5 official visits again, coaches can directly contact them this year until the start of classes (Aug 27), scholarship limits don't apply to PSU players, players can start practicing immediately at their new school while they wait for official acceptance, ....

edit - updated the link
Great Info - Thanks - by sitting out the rest of the season, you mean 2012 - right. So any young player who shows a lot of talent (I'm thinking Allen Robinson for one) playing for PSU in 2012 can transfer come January 1st, 2013. In other words, the better the underclassment play this year the more liklihood that they will be "recruited" and play elsewhere in 2013.  Sounds like a lose-lose situation.

Posted: 9/24/2012 3:11 PM

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P4814 wrote:
Great Info - Thanks - by sitting out the rest of the season, you mean 2012 - right. So any young player who shows a lot of talent (I'm thinking Allen Robinson for one) playing for PSU in 2012 can transfer come January 1st, 2013. In other words, the better the underclassment play this year the more liklihood that they will be "recruited" and play elsewhere in 2013.  Sounds like a lose-lose situation.
Exactly, any player on PSU's roster at the end of the season is eligible to transfer and not have to sit out a year.  You are right, schools will come hard after the top talent guys.  Overall, unless the team completely collapses, I don't think (hope?) we will see to many core guys leave.  There will be players that didn't get the PT they hoped for or don't fit with O'Brien and will leave.  The majority of our roster will have options but they won't find better opportunities for playing time or realistic bowl chances so they will stay.

That leaves a couple of difference makers like Robinson, etc. I think they stay because they can continue to star here and they will most likely see through Brown and Redd that the grass isn't always greener.  My main concern for a guy like Robinson would be a team with a proven QB that needs a big time receiver to complete the puzzle.  They could put on a very focused pitch and get him excited to be that guy.  PSU has a largely unkown QB situation going into next season and that may appeal to him. 

In the end, unless the team falls apart over the next 8 games, I think we come out pretty clean.  The only thing that really bothers me is the length of time the players can be targeted.  This should be over by LOI day or the first day for spring practice, not August.

Posted: 10/29/2012 2:27 PM

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The whole thing but the fine stinks to me, the whole thing with the sanctions, the only thing that I agree with is the fine!!!!!!!!

We Are Penn ST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 1/31/2013 7:17 PM

Re: REVIEW: Transfer Rules 



CoffeeBreak wrote: Obviously there are a lot of questions around the transfer rules for our players.  I thought it might be good to recap them here and let the mods decided if they should be pinned for a few days.

All of the official rules can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...2/july/21207234

In summary:
PSU players can transfer anywhere and be eligible to play immediately until the start of Fall practice 2013.

There are 2 restrictions to this:
- If they play in a game for PSU in 2012, they have to sit out the rest of the season (but can still transfer). 
- They have to be accepted at the school.

Otherwise, if you can think of an accomodation the NCAA could make to make this process easier on the player to leave, they made it.  The guys can take 5 official visits again, coaches can directly contact them this year until the start of classes (Aug 27), scholarship limits don't apply to PSU players, players can start practicing immediately at their new school while they wait for official acceptance, ....

edit - updated the link
It also appears that the Letter of Intent is nul and void, and all of the implications of this.

Posted: 3/11/2013 8:30 PM

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So what happens if a guy that transferred wants to transfer back?  Can he play immediately?

Posted: 3/11/2013 11:10 PM

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So what happens if a guy that transferred wants to transfer back?  Can he play immediately?

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Do you know something?

Posted: 3/12/2013 8:28 AM

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Do you know something?

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No just an intriguing comment by Brennan in the pro day thread....

Posted: 5/3/2013 11:15 AM

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kjb290 wrote: So in theory, if every PSU player left and went to Michigan (I understand its as unlikely as anything), the entire PSU team wouldn't count against the scholarship limits? So UM could have potentially 150+ scholarship players by rule. Is that correct?
They can do this at the very instant they(UM) solve their pedophilia cover-up problem.