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Ray Davison having his offer pulled......
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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:43 AM
Ray Davison having his offer pulled......
Because he decides to visit another school. Really?! http://northwestern.scout.com/...%2f1256606.html |
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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:31 AM
RE: Ray Davison having his offer pulled......
All's fair in love and war. It's the schools prerogative to award and rescind as they see fit. IF he really wanted to go there why is he still looking around? Lot's of SC recruits de-committing lately. Same thing in reverse. Part of the game.
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Posted: 01/12/2013 11:51 PM
Re: Ray Davison having his offer pulled......
Good for them, he deserved it.
When a player commits to a school he should know the definition of the word. If he had planned on taking other visits he should have remained uncommitted, taken the visits and made a commitment to the school he chose after completing all of the visits. Whoever was providing him guidance did a poor job. I would pull the offer too.
Much like an adult accepting a position at a new job and then spending the two weeks before they start looking for a better one....Shows a lack of integrity and "commitment".
The coaching staff at Northwestern is known for not talking to kids or dropping communications with them once they commit to another school. Great School, Great Program and Ethical coaching staff.
Obviously he wouldn't have been a good fit.
An incompetent King can either delegate or abdicate his duties. A father cannot. If only sons could see the paradox they would understand the dilemma. |
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Posted: 01/13/2013 12:26 AM
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Good for them, he deserved it.
When a player commits to a school he should know the definition of the word. If he had planned on taking other visits he should have remained uncommitted, taken the visits and made a commitment to the school he chose after completing all of the visits. Whoever was providing him guidance did a poor job. I would pull the offer too.
Much like an adult accepting a position at a new job and then spending the two weeks before they start looking for a better one....Shows a lack of integrity and "commitment".
The coaching staff at Northwestern is known for not talking to kids or dropping communications with them once they commit to another school. Great School, Great Program and Ethical coaching staff.
Obviously he wouldn't have been a good fit.
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Schools pull schalorships on kids that STAY committed every year leaving some kids high and dry come signing day. What's you opinion on that?? It cuts both ways. Nothing's final for either party until a letter of intent is signed.
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Posted: 01/13/2013 12:42 AM
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Those are few and far between and generally there is a good reason. weight, grades, etc. After August 1 of your senior year the school is able to confirm the commitment in writing. Most often if there are stipulations they will be in that letter. The sure fired way to lose it is to commit and fail to suspend your recruiting process.
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Posted: 01/13/2013 5:01 PM
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I guess commitment doesn't apply to coaches. They sign a contract but leave when a better offer presents itself.
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Posted: 01/13/2013 5:33 PM
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I guess commitment doesn't apply to coaches. They sign a contract but leave when a better offer presents itself.
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The vast majority of coaching contracts include a buyout clause for those circumstances.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 7:55 AM
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I am aware of that, but it still doesn't make it right.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 8:14 AM
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LongestYard wrote: I am aware of that, but it still doesn't make it right. If you're looking to compare a situation where the athlete commits yet continues to look at other schools to a coach situation...a more accurate comparison would be where a coach accepts a position at a school and continues to look for a better coaching job. If you want to compare a situation where a coach leaves before his contract is up, compare it to a situation where the athlete actually signs (as a coach does) with a school and then leaves for another one after being there if he doesn't like it. This is a more legitimate comparison and again is contemplated in advance and part of the process. An incompetent King can either delegate or abdicate his duties. A father cannot. If only sons could see the paradox they would understand the dilemma. |
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Posted: 01/14/2013 10:47 AM
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If you want to compare a situation where a coach leaves before his contract is up, compare it to a situation where the athlete actually signs (as a coach does) with a school and then leaves for another one after being there if he doesn't like it. This is a more legitimate comparison and again is contemplated in advance and part of the process.
Yeah, except the kid will MOST likely lose a year of eligibility (depending on what level he transfers to), the coach doesn't lose a thing.
And please don't use the "buy out clause"- he (the coach) doesn't pay for that out of his own pocket.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 11:23 AM
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Sounds like he just said he was going to visit Cal, not that he was decommiting. I could be wrong, but dont the majority of guys go on numerous visits. Is it "wrong" to visit another school after a verbal commitment. Some of these kids have never been out of So Cal and its just nice to get a free trip. To assume that he was going to go back on his word is not fair.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 7:07 PM
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Sounds like he just said he was going to visit Cal, not that he was decommiting. I could be wrong, but dont the majority of guys go on numerous visits. Is it "wrong" to visit another school after a verbal commitment. Some of these kids have never been out of So Cal and its just nice to get a free trip. To assume that he was going to go back on his word is not fair.
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In short, yes....it's wrong. The purpose of the "commitment" is to say you have evaluated your offers and you have committed to attend the school. If he wanted to visit Cal he should not have committed and completed his visits. I think it's hilarious that so many find this so confusing. Every student athlete thinking about making a commitment should know up front that if they commit and then continue to parade themselves in front of other schools hoping to get additional offers they risk having their offer rescinded. (whether longest yard likes it or not doesn't matter).
I would assume Mr. Davison was aware of the risk and did it anyway. if he was not, it's unfortunate he didn't have someone who knew what they were doing advising and assisting him through the process.
An incompetent King can either delegate or abdicate his duties. A father cannot. If only sons could see the paradox they would understand the dilemma.
Last edited 01/14/2013 9:05 PM by 2intense4many
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Posted: 01/15/2013 9:41 AM
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The whole purpose of the verbal commitment is to help schools better identify who their kids are before the national signing day. Its all a leverage game. Some kids who have multiple offers dont verbally commitment, they are are some of the more talented players, so coaches are willing to wait. In Davidson's case, he didnt have many offers, and probably felt compelled to commit.
With that being said, when a kid committs, schools hold their breath until signing day, and hope that the kid will be true to his word. When a kid chooses to take a visit after he verbally commits, he is in fact expressing his interest in another program, which is dishonest, and is a turn off to most coaches and programs. Davidson committed because he had no other offers, as soon as another school expressed interest, he flirted with them. Everbody here knows what it means to break a commitment, and well know that our word is all we have as men, so stop acting like the kid did nothing wrong, and call it what it is......a huge mistake!
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Posted: 01/15/2013 10:28 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...928--ncaaf.htmlGuess Universities can't be trusted either. I'm sure someone will chime in to say Lame Kitten ddi nothing wrong.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 11:43 AM
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Mr. Fitts had the option of signing his LOI with USC on February 6th and attending this fall or, decomitting and chasing other options. Obviously he feels he has better options. Good for him.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 2:30 PM
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Fitts graduated early so he could play spring ball. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he didn't choose to voluntarily overload his class schedule and sacrifice the second semester of his senior year for shits and giggles. Kiffin picked up an extra DB during the U.S. Army All-American game and Fitts was the collateral damage. Why are you being such a hard-ass about an 18 year old kid losing his scholly for taking a trip, which he's allowed to take, yet Kiffin doesn't get judged by the same standard for committing a worse offense. Commitment is a two way street. You're contradicting yourself.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 2:32 PM
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Commitment is not a 2 way street!! It's the coaches way or the highway. Amiright, 2Intenese? |
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Posted: 01/15/2013 2:51 PM
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Well said ACE......well said.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 3:21 PM
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"ACEinLA wrote: Fitts graduated early so he could play spring ball. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he didn't choose to voluntarily overload his class schedule and sacrifice the second semester of his senior year for shits and giggles. Kiffin picked up an extra DB during the U.S. Army All-American game and Fitts was the collateral damage. Why are you being such a hard-ass about an 18 year old kid losing his scholly for taking a trip, which he's allowed to take, yet Kiffin doesn't get judged by the same standard for committing a worse offense. Commitment is a two way street. You're contradicting yourself"
Not saying it's a great process, just trying to explain what the current process is. If you commit and keep looking you risk losing your spot...period. Likewise, if the school doesn't offer more spots than they have they will be left high and dry when the kids decommit. The offer is as good as the day it is tendered. Untill there are some sort of NCAA rule changes the kids and the coaches will operate in this realm. In the meantime, it's a tough world out there...get ready for it and make sure you're getting good advice. This kid wasn't getting that.... An incompetent King can either delegate or abdicate his duties. A father cannot. If only sons could see the paradox they would understand the dilemma.
Last edited 01/15/2013 3:30 PM by 2intense4many
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Posted: 01/15/2013 3:56 PM
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In both instances cited, the kids and coaches did operate "in that realm". I was just curious why you have a harsher stance towards Ray, although you seemed to have lightened a bit, as opposed to Kiffin who yanked Fitt's spring ball roster spot 2 days after they had confirmed with each other and a week prior to the start of the semester (per USA Today). As for whether or not the Ray received bad advice, the commitment isn't binding until after the LOI is signed. Sounds like Northwestern just wanted an excuse to get out of their offer and took it. Either that or the coach is the most sensitive man alive.
Has the 2013 season started yet?
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