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Chaminade, Paraclete fall short of making regional bowl games
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Posted: 12/04/2012 10:50 PM
Chaminade, Paraclete fall short of making regional bowl games
HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL NOTEBOOK: Chaminade, Paraclete fall short of making regional bowl games By Gerry Gittelson Special to the Daily News Posted: 12/03/2012 10:16:48 PM PST Updated: 12/03/2012 11:41:17 PM PST It was a long, expanded high school football season, but not long enough for Chaminade and Paraclete, the last two area Southern Section programs left standing. Both lost Friday in the section championships, as Chaminade fell 30-28 at Serra, and Paraclete was defeated 23-7 at Monrovia. Had either prevailed, a regional bowl berth probably would have been waiting considering Serra and Monrovia made the cut. Instead, there is lots of time to ponder the what-ifs until next season. "The kids played so well, so over-their-head all year that it's impossible not to be proud of them," Chaminade coach Ed Croson said. "But they're still depressed because they know they should be the ones putting on rings and playing Edison (in the Div. II state regional)." Chaminade has a right to feel a bit resentful. With just over one minute left and the Eagles on the comeback trail, what appeared to be a successful onside-kick recovery was negated by officials, who ruled the football was touched before it traveled the required 10 yards. Television replays clearly showed it was a bad call. "I'm not commenting on the officiating. It just makes things worse," Croson said. "It's human error, the human element. I didn't think it was even close, but nothing is perfect. The sad part is we played well enough to win." Over the past three seasons, Chaminade has appeared in a final preceded by two semifinal losses. There has been plenty of joy in West Hills but no happy endings. Although star running back Terrell Newby (105 career touchdowns) is graduating, there is plenty of young firepower including quarterback Brad Kaaya, multi-purpose back Donovan Lee and leading tackler Rick Gamboa -- all juniors -- so Chaminade figures to be in good shape next season. "We've also got four of our top six offensive linemen returning, and most of the defense were juniors, so we're excited," Croson said. "I think Donovan Lee at running back is going to be right up there with Terrell Newby. Plus the JV team went 9-1 and beat everyone by a mile, and there are some good young receivers from that team. Watch out for Dallas Tessar, a sophomore who is the younger brother of (former Chaminade standout) Brando Tessar, and a couple of freshmen, Jarrin Pierce and Blake Rutherford. All three are going to be really good." Chaminade, which finished 12-2, has added Hart to its nonleague schedule next season, and the Eagles also play Valencia, Oaks Christian and Notre Dame in what figures to be an intriguing slate. Paraclete (12-2) is expected to return receiver/linebacker Triston Brown, touted freshman running back/defensive back Melquise Stovall and standout linebacker Christian Ruiz, but otherwise the Spirits will be rebuilding after bidding farewell to several four-year starters, including two-time leading tackler Bryan Rodgers. All-Star game scheduled The 17th annual Daily News All-Star Football game is slated for 3:30 p.m. Jan. 20 at College of the Canyons, and some of the area's top quarterbacks have committed, including Sean Murphy (Valencia) and Devon Dunn (Alemany) for the East and Kelly Hilinski (Notre Dame) and Cody Cordell (Crespi) for the West. The coaches are Larry Muir of Valencia for the East versus Jeff Woodruff of Oaks Christian for the West. Among the other commits are Oaks Christian teammates Cameron Judge and Francis Owusu. Judge, a linebacker, is headed to UCLA, and Owusu, a receiver, is going to Stanford. Also, Moorpark running back Aaron Stanton, Crespi kicker Patrick Cassley and Canoga Park linebacker Anthony Rios-Carlsen are scheduled to participate. "I can't wait to play. It will be exciting to play one last time with all the kids from the same area," Judge said. Proceeds benefit the Valley Youth Conference, which governs Pop Warner football in the San Fernando Valley. For information, contact organizer Bill Speer at (818) 999-5197.

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Posted: 12/05/2012 8:18 AM
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Posted: 12/05/2012 8:55 AM
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Nadeeagle1 wrote: That call sucked! I'm still not over it.     Wow, if you're talking about the onside kick, get over it. The TV angle I saw was not convincing one way or another. The guy's momentum was such that it was very hard to tell . . . not an obvious bad call at all. Man, if you can't get over that, you've got problems. There are way worse calls, with much more affect on the outcome, that happen all the time. Even the pro refs screw it up regularly. What you should be bummed about is that Chaminade was down 9 late in the 4th quarter and left themselves in a situation that a questionable call would decide their fate. Or maybe that they didn't kick a field goal or two.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 9:09 AM
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1ventura wrote:
Nadeeagle1 wrote: That call sucked! I'm still not over it.     Wow, if you're talking about the onside kick, get over it. The TV angle I saw was not convincing one way or another. The guy's momentum was such that it was very hard to tell . . . not an obvious bad call at all.
Man, if you can't get over that, you've got problems. There are way worse calls, with much more affect on the outcome, that happen all the time. Even the pro refs screw it up regularly.
What you should be bummed about is that Chaminade was down 9 late in the 4th quarter and left themselves in a situation that a questionable call would decide their fate. Or maybe that they didn't kick a field goal or two. Very good points on the FGs. Never leave points on the field. I also thought their kicker was capable of puttiing the ball in the endzone? I was surprized that they kept on kicking the ball short and giving really good field position to Serra. Not the best coaching job of Croson's season.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 9:21 AM
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Lets just say we are bummed about losing period. I have never seen a bad call at the end of a playoff or championship game that wasn't brought up in discussions afterward. Have you? There sure was a lot of talk about crespi failing to meet the playoff requirements yet still expecting to get in. That shouldn't have even been a topic of conversation man --------------------------------------------- --- 1ventura wrote: Nadeeagle1 wrote: That call sucked! I'm still not over it.     Wow, if you're talking about the onside kick, get over it. The TV angle I saw was not convincing one way or another. The guy's momentum was such that it was very hard to tell . . . not an obvious bad call at all. Man, if you can't get over that, you've got problems. There are way worse calls, with much more affect on the outcome, that happen all the time. Even the pro refs screw it up regularly. What you should be bummed about is that Chaminade was down 9 late in the 4th quarter and left themselves in a situation that a questionable call would decide their fate. Or maybe that they didn't kick a field goal or two. ---------------------------------------------

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Posted: 12/05/2012 10:10 AM
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Nadefan wrote: That shouldn't have even been a topic of conversation man
since you have so much time on your hands, do a national search of 8-2 teams that didn't make the playoffs. i'm curious to know about the other schools like that. especially since crespi was what...8 or 10 points from being undeafeated in pac5 socal? that is a valid conversation, especially when it was centered around wtf is CIF's deal stacking that playoff with MP and WL, or keeping Bosco or top seeded teams safe from the celts. this topic sure beats nade JV highlight threads. as far as complaining about a failed onside kick being the reason nade missed out on their freebie chance- i'd say use your goddamn fg kicker. you say your school is filled with smart people. in football, there is a play called the field goal. use it.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 10:18 AM
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There sure was a lot of talk about crespi failing to meet the playoff requirements yet still expecting to get in. That shouldn't have even been a topic of conversation man
Apples and oranges. Criterion used to keep an 8-2 team out of the playoffs when a team that's 3-7 makes it in is a different discussion than a close onside kick call. And seeing how the South Coast league WL and Bosco's coaches ranked above Serra did in their post season also raises credibility questions. I didn't like Gittelson's or Croson's comments. Especially Croson's, and I lost some respect for him. He says he's not going to comment on the officiating, and then he says the onside kick call "it wasn't even close"? He says of his team "they know they should be the one's putting on Championship rings and playing Edison"?? By what measure, coach? You lost the final, and it wasn't a fluke. Have class and congratulate a worthy opponent. It was a great game, played pretty well by two great teams. You guys must be watching a different view of this play. They replayed it on the telecast and I agreed with the announcers - the call was incredibly close and hard to judge. Croson, Gittelson and Co are also talking like that's what cost them the game. BS. Like it's a given, especially in HSFB, that Chaminade's going to get into FG range, and it's a given they're going to convert.
Last edited 12/05/2012 10:18 AM by 1ventura
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Posted: 12/05/2012 10:54 AM
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The view on HUDL shows that the player was a t least 2 yards across when he actually touched the ball. He was running parallel to it, It definitely was a bad call. Nothing we can do about it now, sh!t like this happens, it just sucks when it happens to you. I was just sharing………………. I went through the denial stage and then I was angry for a couple of days and now I just wanted to talk about it. 
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Posted: 12/05/2012 11:50 AM
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Nadeeagle1 wrote: The view on HUDL shows that the player was a t least 2 yards across when he actually touched the ball. He was running parallel to it, It definitely was a bad call. Nothing we can do about it now, sh!t like this happens, it just sucks when it happens to you. I was just sharing………………. I went through the denial stage and then I was angry for a couple of days and now I just wanted to talk about it.  I went straight to the anger stage nadeeagle.  No coach worth a shat would not fight to get a call if he sees it differently. especially a potential game changing call near the end of a championship game. Plus the refs never threw a flag? How do you call a penalty (illegal touching) after the play without ever throwing a flag? I have never seen that before. Has anyone ever seen a penalty called, holding, facemask, block in back, offsides, illegal motion etc without a flag being thrown? I never have until that onside kick.
Last edited 12/11/2012 12:06 AM by Nadefan
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Posted: 12/05/2012 12:02 PM
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Kriest wrote:
Nadefan wrote: That shouldn't have even been a topic of conversation man
since you have so much time on your hands, do a national search of 8-2 teams that didn't make the playoffs. i'm curious to know about the other schools like that. especially since crespi was what...8 or 10 points from being undeafeated in pac5 socal? that is a valid conversation, especially when it was centered around wtf is CIF's deal stacking that playoff with MP and WL, or keeping Bosco or top seeded teams safe from the celts. this topic sure beats nade JV highlight threads.
as far as complaining about a failed onside kick being the reason nade missed out on their freebie chance- i'd say use your goddamn fg kicker. you say your school is filled with smart people. in football, there is a play called the field goal. use it. Kriest, I will agree that it is hard to think of a 8 - 2 team not making the playoffs. I also would have a hard time to think that a 8-2 team would be a 4th place team in their own league. However, that is the case. That is the conversation point about Crespi not getting in the playoffs. I will also agree that at times it is difficult to compare leagues and where teams finish in them. Before the season began, all teams knew what the criteria for making it out of their league and into the playoffs was. Having a 3-7 team make the playoffs from one league and an 8-2 from another does not make it seems harsh, HOWEVER the criteria for that to happen was already in place before the season started. CIF DID NOT stack the playoffs nor was there any conspiracy to keep the celts out of the playoffs. That it just wrong thinking and making up excuses along with crying about the result. Until this year when CIF created the two at large positions in the Pac5, ( if we still had last years criteria) there would not be an issue of the celts no being in the playoffs either, as there was no at large teams and the celts are still a 4th place team not in the playoffs. By creating the two at large positions they took away the 4th team from the Moore and the 5th from the Marmonte. Which was and is a good thing IMO. For years you could have always made the argument for the 4th place team in the Trinity was going to be way better than any team that was 3rd to last place in the Moore so why did they get an extra playoff spots just because they had an extra team in their league that was never going to beat a trinity league team in any position. The Marmonte league is just like the Moore league as it stands now. You have Poly and Lakewood (Bonie and OC) who, if the Marmonte was to be intact for the next 5 years would have the same results. Bonie and OC (Poly and Lakewood) always being at the top and an who comes after that would always be changing but pretty much the same teams ( WL, MP compared to Wilson, Jordan or Cabrillo) who will get the last playoff spots. I am sure the same would be said for the 5th playoff spot for the Marmonte if the criteria had continued with them having 5 playoff spots. There is no conspiracy or anyone against Crespi, by the criteria that was in place before the season started they did not qualify to be in the playoffs. Being in 4th place behind BA is why they were not in the playoffs. That is the ONLY reason. As I had pointed out in much earlier topics, even if you gave the strength of league point to the Serra and made them even the toughest league, Crespi was still not in the playoffs because they were in 4th place behind Bishop Amat. BA did not get the first at large bid because they tied Chino Hills and Tesoro beat Chino Hills and got an extra point from that game with their overall record to be in front of BA, even without the strength of league point and if it was given to the Serra. Tesoro got the 1st bid and BA got the 2nd bid and until BA got a bid Crespi was not even on the board or discussion to get an at large bid. I thought as I have posted many times Crespi deserved to be in the playoffs, but deserving and not qualifying under the rules and criteria in place is another topic.
Last edited 12/05/2012 12:51 PM by 2002tony
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Posted: 12/05/2012 12:24 PM
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The view on HUDL? That view is rarely taken from the exact angle, straight down the appropriate line the ball must cross and certainly not following the penalty from the XP. The closet angle was most certainly the TV broadcast angle which provided no conclusive evidence. As in the 2003 Hart v Westlake game with a controversial 2pt play, it sucks if you are on the side of the vanquished, but a claim of certainty about the call is clearly seeing what you want to see. Nadeeagle1 wrote:The view on HUDL shows that the player was a t least 2 yards across when he actually touched the ball. He was running parallel to it, It definitely was a bad call. Nothing we can do about it now, sh!t like this happens, it just sucks when it happens to you. I was just sharing………………. I went through the denial stage and then I was angry for a couple of days and now I just wanted to talk about it. 
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Posted: 12/05/2012 12:31 PM
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Well, does it help that I was there....behind the ref that made the bad call, from the naked eye it looked good, it wasn't even that close. Also the view from huld was from the 50 yard line across, the play in question was a the 40, I doubt the angle played too much of a role here.
Last edited 12/05/2012 12:32 PM by Nadeeagle1
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Posted: 12/05/2012 12:37 PM
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I was thinking the same exact thing concerning the placement of the camera and the angle
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Posted: 12/05/2012 1:40 PM
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Nadeeagle1 wrote: Well, does it help that I was there....behind the ref that made the bad call, from the naked eye it looked good, it wasn't even that close. Also the view from huld was from the 50 yard line across, the play in question was a the 40, I doubt the angle played too much of a role here. Hold it a second, nadeagle - is the HUDL view different or not? Sorry, the view with the naked eye on a play like that isn't reliable. Hell, why do you think so many instant replay overturns happen? Tony - nice of you to take the time to explain. I understand. Still, Crespi had as good a chance of going deep into the Pac 5 playoffs as anyone. They handled Alemany much more easily than the Pac 4 finalist Monarchs did. There is something deeply flawed in a system that allows them to be excluded and a team with a 3-7 record to get in.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 1:47 PM
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Nadeeagle1 wrote:The view on HUDL shows that the player was a t least 2 yards across when he actually touched the ball. He was running parallel to it, It definitely was a bad call. Nothing we can do about it now, sh!t like this happens, it just sucks when it happens to you. I was just sharing………………. I went through the denial stage and then I was angry for a couple of days and now I just wanted to talk about it.  Wow 2 yards? Are you sure you were watching the Nade-Serra game and not another one? Very close and questionable call here that could have went either way... To blame the game on this call and Croson showing an official his phone was a joke... You should be blaming not kicking FG's or a bad offensive game plan by Nade for the loss.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 2:26 PM
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hartsc wrote:
Nadeeagle1 wrote:The view on HUDL shows that the player was a t least 2 yards across when he actually touched the ball. He was running parallel to it, It definitely was a bad call. Nothing we can do about it now, sh!t like this happens, it just sucks when it happens to you. I was just sharing………………. I went through the denial stage and then I was angry for a couple of days and now I just wanted to talk about it.  Wow 2 yards? Are you sure you were watching the Nade-Serra game and not another one? Very close and questionable call here that could have went either way...
To blame the game on this call and Croson showing an official his phone was a joke...
You should be blaming not kicking FG's or a bad offensive game plan by Nade for the loss. Yes, I'm sure, I was there.....You can blame many other factors; missed tackles, dropped balls, Int's, but the refs....... that's F'd up.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 3:19 PM
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It was a hard call to make on tv let alone in person at real time could of went either way just didnt go the way nade wanted it to go.... tough one!!! it didnt seem like it was a bad refed game either
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Posted: 12/05/2012 5:19 PM
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I am sure the Green Bay Packers were not blaming their loss against the Seahawks on Monday Night football on the referees. They were focused on all their mistakes made earlier in the game and how they shouldn't have been in that position. Is that what you are suggesting Hart??
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Posted: 12/05/2012 5:29 PM
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Cahsfootballfan wrote: I am sure the Green Bay Packers were not blaming their loss against the Seahawks on Monday Night football on the referees. They were focused on all their mistakes made earlier in the game and how they shouldn't have been in that position. Is that what you are suggesting Hart?? No game should ever be within 2 points with a minute to go. If you ever get in that position it is your fault and you have not played the game the way it should be played.  You should always remain at least 14 points down Like when Hart played PV. that way the referees can fuk all sorts of sh it up and it doesnt matter.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 6:04 PM
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hartsc wrote:
You should be blaming not kicking FG's or a bad offensive game plan by Nade for the loss. How was Nade within 2 points of Serra with that terrible gameplan? Is Chaminade that much better than Serra that they should have had a 2 score lead? Is that what you are saying? You want to bag on a terrible offensive gameplan watch the Moorpark vs Oaks or Alemany games or better yet the Hart vs Valencia, Canyon or PV games. I didnt even watch those games and I can tell you the Hart and Moorpark coaches got way outcoached. These are suppose to be good coaches right. Lins and Herrington. What the hell were they thinking, were they asleep or what? They need to hire OC's at both of these schools. Not sure if either of these guys could coach there way out of a wet paper bag.
Last edited 12/06/2012 6:57 AM by Nadefan
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