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Hartfootballl wrote: Your spot on. And what's wrong with White waiting till his sr year to start??? I remember a guy named Kyle Boller who didint start at QB till his senior year..
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hartsc wrote: Power I formation. You are funny...It was already stated by a reliable poster on here that BW won the job fair and square during the summer. Maybe you missed this...If Wings is used at QB, there is no place for BW on the field. Ever consider that?...I think it is better to have both guys on the field instead of one. Maybe utilize Wings a little bit more...Go Hart!
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my2cents69 wrote: ------------------------------------------------ HartOnTheRise wrote: hartsc wrote: Power I formation. You are funny...It was already stated by a reliable poster on here that BW won the job fair and square during the summer. Maybe you missed this...If Wings is used at QB, there is no place for BW on the field. Ever consider that?...I think it is better to have both guys on the field instead of one. Maybe utilize Wings a little bit more...Go Hart! That was the logic going into the season. It obviously didn't work because:1) Hart felt the need to rotate the running backs (taking Wings off the field for probably about 1/2 of the plays on the season).2) White wasn't half the QB Wings was. I say this because: Wings was a better passer (stepped into his throws instead of automatically passing off his back foot because he is so worried about getting hit) and Wings is obviously a better runner.Starting White because he "won the job fair and square over the summer" should never fly. Passing league literally equates to nothing in pads. EVEN if it was a fair way of deciding who plays QB, by the time Hart got to halftime in the Valencia game it should have been pretty clear who was the better QB. And it was in my opinion. At that point Hart decided to continue playing "Daddy Ball" (as it has come to be called) for the rest of the season and put all their eggs in the upcoming years' baskets, instead of going for it all this season with Wings. Sucks for this years seniors, because they saw what Wings did on offense last year and watched White do less with more to work with.In this rant I am only talking about games that were played against challenging opponents. I don't care that White did wonderfully on the season, I want to look at Tesoro, Valencia, Canyon, and PV. Stats (taken from Hart Dad cause I cannot find them anywhere else)Tesoro: 10-20 for 126 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INTValencia: 21-32 for 206 yards, 1 TD and 2 intsCanyon: 11-20 for 109 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTsPV: No idea, 2 or 3 interceptions and 2 TDs? I have no idea, was not keeping track.58% completion percentage, 441 yards, and 2 TDs to 5 INTs from: Tesoro, Valencia and Canyon games.The point is, look at that sample and I think you get a little better idea of how the season went. True this is the worst possible sample I could carve out, but it is also from the 4 games Hart lost.---------------------------------------------Hartontherise, I don't know if I should be flattered or pissed. You took my post I made a couple of days ago (that was removed today because of the crying by schoolboy and Hartplayer09) that you copied pretty much word for word. Try being a wee bit more original. If I was a teacher grading your written report, I would give you an F for plagiarism. I am interested to see how posters comment about it though. When the truth about BW and Wings comes from me, they just want to call me a fag and call me gay. Let's see what the Hart lovers say when it comes from one of their own.
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Here's how I see it.
Wings is a better athlete and can play multiple positions and as such MH decided to use him at multiple positions rather than at one. The problem came in that MH did not use him much as an offensive threat in the Valencia, Canyon, and PV games, which was a big mistake. I would have used swing passes, pitches, etc. to get Wings into the open field where he can do some damage. The crime is not that he did not start at QB, but that he was on the sidelines too much during crucial times of the game. In my opinion, he should have been on the field every play unless he needed a breather. When they brought him in on third downs, they should have let him throw since the other teams were putting 8 in the box. Someone with more knowledge can analyze why the majority of White's passes were to the outside. I saw a lot of cover 2 which should leave open seams routes, crossing routes, etc. Next subject so I don't have to go to a different thread. Trent Irwin would not have left if Wings had started at QB. Whoever started that rumor is a moron. Trent is the best receiver on the team and both qb's would throw to him. It's not like White has the only patent to throw to Irwin. Actually, White did a good job of distributing the ball to all receivers through out the year making it difficult for defenses to just focus on one receiver. Also, I read one post who said who cares if Irwin were to leave, we have plenty of receivers. Irwin is the best receiver we have. Just ask PV which receiver they fear the most. We do have great receivers, but Irwin is the best on the team. And one last point. Against PV, the db's were giving Irwin a 10 yard cushion. Why were we not hitting him on quick slants and short passes until the DB was forced to come up and then go to a slant and go? At the end of the season, I don't think Wings vs White should be discussed as much as the play calling.
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Volunteerthis wrote: It was a waste to have him play D.
Posted: 11/20/2012 10:48 PM
sierraandsoledad wrote: you asked why so many passes to the outside... those are safe routes. low risk high reward if the receiver can beat the corner. if you don't split the safety(s) in that you don't throw over the middle the defense will put 8 in the box until you test them. even against GV the routes he threw were very conservative. Mike H decided to let him throw over the middle against Canyon at the end of the game......MISTAKE.
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