Private school power

Now you understand why Marmonte League schools didn't want to add private-school powers Ventura St. Bonaventure and Westlake Village Oaks Christain to their league. St. Bonaventure (8-1) will play at Oaks Christian (8-1) on Friday to decide the league championship. The remaining eight public schools will face off and probably debate how to get rid of St. Bonaventure and Oaks Christian.

The other Marmonte final games: Westlake at Moorpark, Newbury Park at Thousand Oaks, Royal at Agoura, Simi Valley at Calabasas.

2wishin wrote: Maybe he was being facetious???

2wishin wrote: Maybe he was being facetious???

doubleknickle wrote: Hopefully the city section will get together to debate how to get rid of Crenshaw and Narbonne who have shared #1 for the last 5 years.

and

The Sunset league needs to rid themselves of Mission Viejo who has won 8 of the last 10 league titles, finished second the other two and is poised to win again this year.

and

The Moore league must do something about Poly and Lakewood... 10 straight years at #1 and #2.

and Vista Murrietta, 5 out of 6 six and set for another.

And Centennial...

Edison...

Statguy2 wrote:

doubleknickle wrote: Hopefully the city section will get together to debate how to get rid of Crenshaw and Narbonne who have shared #1 for the last 5 years.

and

The Sunset league needs to rid themselves of Mission Viejo who has won 8 of the last 10 league titles, finished second the other two and is poised to win again this year.

and

The Moore league must do something about Poly and Lakewood... 10 straight years at #1 and #2.

and Vista Murrietta, 5 out of 6 six and set for another.

And Centennial...

Edison...

I guess we should go back to little league baseball "Tee-ball" where everyone gets a trophy, don't keep score because we don't want any group of teams better than the school our children must attend.

Give me a break!!!!!

It seems to me that all of the 1st place teams should be placed into one league so they can beat up on each other and then there's only one that will survive and all of the other teams will now get a chance to be a 1st place team.  Then what happens??

Do we pull out the next team that wins their league and move them up so every team can get a chance to win their league??

Trust me not every player at these private schools or stellar public schools is a stud, nor are they recruited.  Maybe they have a better group of coaches that bring these players to play at a higher level...

I will agree that there are stronger teams in some leagues and weaker ones.  You forgot to mention Bishop Diego.  They just beat a public school and now will win their league.

No I'm not really making a point here, just rambling like this original post did.

doubleknickle wrote:

Statguy2 wrote:

doubleknickle wrote: Hopefully the city section will get together to debate how to get rid of Crenshaw and Narbonne who have shared #1 for the last 5 years.

and

The Sunset league needs to rid themselves of Mission Viejo who has won 8 of the last 10 league titles, finished second the other two and is poised to win again this year.

and

The Moore league must do something about Poly and Lakewood... 10 straight years at #1 and #2.

and Vista Murrietta, 5 out of 6 six and set for another.

And Centennial...

Edison...

I guess we should go back to little league baseball "Tee-ball" where everyone gets a trophy, don't keep score because we don't want any group of teams better than the school our children must attend.

Give me a break!!!!!

It seems to me that all of the 1st place teams should be placed into one league so they can beat up on each other and then there's only one that will survive and all of the other teams will now get a chance to be a 1st place team.  Then what happens??

Do we pull out the next team that wins their league and move them up so every team can get a chance to win their league??

Trust me not every player at these private schools or stellar public schools is a stud, nor are they recruited.  Maybe they have a better group of coaches that bring these players to play at a higher level...

I will agree that there are stronger teams in some leagues and weaker ones.  You forgot to mention Bishop Diego.  They just beat a public school and now will win their league.

No I'm not really making a point here, just rambling like this original post did.

I think we were making the similar points...

There are perennial powerhouses in many, many, many leagues across the state and country ... the whole "parity issue" exists in most leagues public, private, and mixed. Some people want to always make it a private school issue... its not... in my opinion.

kickstepit wrote: I totally hear what you guys are saying, but having privates and publics mixed together as in the Marmonte League isn't right. Just stick the private schools together in a league and say have-at-it boys... anything goes! Because right now, with Oaks and Bonnie, its have-at-it for those two while others get to sit at home during the playoffs because they were beat by an all star team made up of kids from all over Southern California. The privates have something to offer... a free education that would cost the family money in any other case. The privates play more by the college recruiting rules, while others try their best to put a team on the field on Friday night with kids from the neighborhood.

I'm about to get blasted, lets hear it. Hahaha

the free ride thing is not correct. Players go to Bonnie because of a great team and the exposure. And how can you bad mouth a small school with only 600 maybe students. and most are girls.... They play those schools that have 1000 plus enrollment and still win.
Here is a CONCEPT:
Could it be they are coached well? they have great discipline? They all give 110%! Most of them are 3.0 GPA and above. And the most important thing they have the desire to win.

kickstepit wrote: I totally hear what you guys are saying, but having privates and publics mixed together as in the Marmonte League isn't right. Just stick the private schools together in a league and say have-at-it boys... anything goes! Because right now, with Oaks and Bonnie, its have-at-it for those two while others get to sit at home during the playoffs because they were beat by an all star team made up of kids from all over Southern California. The privates have something to offer... a free education that would cost the family money in any other case. The privates play more by the college recruiting rules, while others try their best to put a team on the field on Friday night with kids from the neighborhood.

I'm about to get blasted, lets hear it. Hahaha

HartIndians wrote: bigmister805 says "Players go to Bonnie because of a great team and the exposure. And how can you bad mouth a small school with only 600 maybe students. and most are girls.... They play those schools that have 1000 plus enrollment and still win.
Here is a CONCEPT:
Could it be they are coached well? they have great
discipline? They all give 110%! Most of them are 3.0 GPA and above. And the most
important thing they have the desire to win."


You are either clueless or a fool. Enrollment has absolutely no impact on Bonnie's or any other powerhouse private school football programs. The entire Santa Clarita Valley with 6 public high schools and almost 20,000 students have less D1 talent then Bonnie on yearly basis despite Bonnie having only 600 students. Coaching? You have got to be kidding me. 20,000 students versus 600 for Bonnie but magically Bonnie is able to field larger linemen and more 4.5 speed athletes on a yearly basis then 6 public schools combined. Bonnie and the other private school powerhouses are successful because of recruiting and putting together all-star teams. Try having the Bonnie coach or other private school coach take a squad of random kids from the local neighborhood that make up a typical public school program. Kids on the offensive line that are 5'10'' 190lbs, no players that run a 4.5 fourty, and no D1 prospects and then tell me how your superior coaching does against a recruited all-star team.

bigmister805 wrote:

kickstepit wrote: I totally hear what you guys are saying, but having privates and publics mixed together as in the Marmonte League isn't right. Just stick the private schools together in a league and say have-at-it boys... anything goes! Because right now, with Oaks and Bonnie, its have-at-it for those two while others get to sit at home during the playoffs because they were beat by an all star team made up of kids from all over Southern California. The privates have something to offer... a free education that would cost the family money in any other case. The privates play more by the college recruiting rules, while others try their best to put a team on the field on Friday night with kids from the neighborhood.

I'm about to get blasted, lets hear it. Hahaha


bigmister805 wrote:

the free ride thing is not correct. Players go to Bonnie because of a great team and the exposure. And how can you bad mouth a small school with only 600 maybe students. and most are girls.... They play those schools that have 1000 plus enrollment and still win.
Here is a CONCEPT:
Could it be they are coached well? they have great discipline? They all give 110%! Most of them are 3.0 GPA and above. And the most important thing they have the desire to win.

2wishin wrote:
He's not clueless or a fool, and obviously knows more about the SB program ( as it currently exists) than you. Football players go to Bonnie for the chance to play for one of the premier programs, led by one of the most talented head coaches in the state. They are expected to keep a high GPA, work hard, and be decent young men..... It really is that simple.
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--- HartIndians wrote:

bigmister805 says "Players go to Bonnie because of a great team and the exposure. And how can you bad mouth a small school with only 600 maybe students. and most are girls.... They play those schools that have 1000 plus enrollment and still win.
Here is a CONCEPT:
Could it be they are coached well? they have great
discipline? They all give 110%! Most of them are 3.0 GPA and above. And the most
important thing they have the desire to win."


You are either clueless or a fool. Enrollment has absolutely no impact on Bonnie's or any other powerhouse private school football programs. The entire Santa Clarita Valley with 6 public high schools and almost 20,000 students have less D1 talent then Bonnie on yearly basis despite Bonnie having only 600 students. Coaching? You have got to be kidding me. 20,000 students versus 600 for Bonnie but magically Bonnie is able to field larger linemen and more 4.5 speed athletes on a yearly basis then 6 public schools combined. Bonnie and the other private school powerhouses are successful because of recruiting and putting together all-star teams. Try having the Bonnie coach or other private school coach take a squad of random kids from the local neighborhood that make up a typical public school program. Kids on the offensive line that are 5'10'' 190lbs, no players that run a 4.5 fourty, and no D1 prospects and then tell me how your superior coaching does against a recruited all-star team.

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kickstepit wrote:

bigmister805 wrote:

kickstepit wrote: I totally hear what you guys are saying, but having privates and publics mixed together as in the Marmonte League isn't right. Just stick the private schools together in a league and say have-at-it boys... anything goes! Because right now, with Oaks and Bonnie, its have-at-it for those two while others get to sit at home during the playoffs because they were beat by an all star team made up of kids from all over Southern California. The privates have something to offer... a free education that would cost the family money in any other case. The privates play more by the college recruiting rules, while others try their best to put a team on the field on Friday night with kids from the neighborhood.

I'm about to get blasted, lets hear it. Hahaha


bigmister805 wrote:

the free ride thing is not correct. Players go to Bonnie because of a great team and the exposure. And how can you bad mouth a small school with only 600 maybe students. and most are girls.... They play those schools that have 1000 plus enrollment and still win.
Here is a CONCEPT:
Could it be they are coached well? they have great discipline? They all give 110%! Most of them are 3.0 GPA and above. And the most important thing they have the desire to win.

Forget enrollment, those that are enrolled are stud athletes, plain and simple.
Do you really think you could go down the line and compare player-to-player of Bonnie or Oaks vs. the talent every other team has in the Marmonte league? (except maybe WL)

You're right, those two are successful due to coaching,.... THAT's why they keep winning. The publics just need better coaches, and they'll play with the private schools... what a crock of ****. 

"Its not about the X's and O's, it's about the ......"
X's and O's do play a crucial part in a game played between two teams of equal talent (SB vs OC on Friday) but the Jimmy's and Joe's are much more important in trying to win games.