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Serra League - Oh Boy
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Posted: 10/28/2012 8:24 PM
Serra League - Oh Boy
Alemany 2-1 wins (ND, Amat) Loss Crespi
ND 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) loss Alemany
Amat 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) Loss Alemany
Crespi 2-2 wins (Alemany, Loyola) Losses (ND, Amat)
Loyola 0-3 losses (Crespi, ND, Amat)
Let's say Alemany beats Loyola. They win league. If Amat beats ND, then ND will be 6-4. They will be #3 in Serra beacause of win over Crespi.
They would then have 4 losses:
26-23 against Serra #91 Nationally
35-27 against Chaminade #41 Nationally
49-42 against Alemany #35 Nationally
loss against Amat currently #nationally
They have wins against
Crespi 40-34 #117 Nationally
Hamilton, AZ # 134 Nationally
Loyola #220 Nationally
Does 6-4 record #3 in Serra League with this resume get you into PAC 5 playoff? It should. If not, why schedule these teams or just play against easy competition?
Thoughts? I think Crespi should get spot in playoffs as well.
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Posted: 10/28/2012 10:15 PM
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ND would go. H 2 H , and better record by opponents. --------------------------------------------- --- 1ventura wrote: bruinfan7 wrote: Alemany 2-1 wins (ND, Amat) Loss Crespi
ND 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) loss Alemany
Amat 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) Loss Alemany
Crespi 2-2 wins (Alemany, Loyola) Losses (ND, Amat)
Loyola 0-3 losses (Crespi, ND, Amat)
Let's say Alemany beats Loyola. They win league. If Amat beats ND, then ND will be 6-4. They will be #3 in Serra beacause of win over Crespi.
They would then have 4 losses:
26-23 against Serra #91 Nationally
35-27 against Chaminade #41 Nationally
49-42 against Alemany #35 Nationally
loss against Amat currently #nationally
They have wins against
Crespi 40-34 #117 Nationally
Hamilton, AZ # 134 Nationally
Loyola #220 Nationally
Does 6-4 record #3 in Serra League with this resume get you into PAC 5 playoff? It should. If not, why schedule these teams or just play against easy competition?
Thoughts? I think Crespi should get spot in playoffs as well. Of the three, Amat, ND and Crespi, the top seed in Pac 5 would, by far, want Crespi the least. Based on that, the Celts should be in the playoffs. In HS football, heart, discipline, and and the team concept often are the difference between winning and losing . . . it's what I love about this level of play. Great life lessons, great teaching through football. Crespi did not win vs. ND and Amat in spite of having a better squad of athletes on the field. They seemed to have learned something against Alemany. Too late? If so, lessoned learned in games two and three of league. And Mack can tell his athletes they came up big in a final clutch game, whether or not they are left out of the post season. He can also tell him that playing top level teams is a privelege and an honor, and the team competed hard; didn't back down. If Crespi's season is done, it's part of the deal with playing at the top level. I've always enjoyed the Celts playing at the top level, which they've done for most of the time since the fall of '73. Win or lose. My take. Ventura ---------------------------------------------  |
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Posted: 10/28/2012 11:07 PM
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bruinfan7 wrote: Alemany 2-1 wins (ND, Amat) Loss Crespi
ND 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) loss Alemany
Amat 2-1 wins (Crespi, Loyola) Loss Alemany
Crespi 2-2 wins (Alemany, Loyola) Losses (ND, Amat)
Loyola 0-3 losses (Crespi, ND, Amat)
Let's say Alemany beats Loyola. They win league. If Amat beats ND, then ND will be 6-4. They will be #3 in Serra beacause of win over Crespi.
They would then have 4 losses:
26-23 against Serra #91 Nationally
35-27 against Chaminade #41 Nationally
49-42 against Alemany #35 Nationally
loss against Amat currently #nationally
They have wins against
Crespi 40-34 #117 Nationally
Hamilton, AZ # 134 Nationally
Loyola #220 Nationally
Does 6-4 record #3 in Serra League with this resume get you into PAC 5 playoff? It should. If not, why schedule these teams or just play against easy competition?
Thoughts? I think Crespi should get spot in playoffs as well.
If Amat beats ND, ND will most likely get the 2nd at large bid, with OLu getting the 1st one with (assuming they win this week) a 7-3 record.
If ND beats Amat, then Amat would get the 1st at large bid and Crespi would get the second at large bid.
Either way, ND is in the Playoffs.
Last edited 10/28/2012 11:10 PM by 2002tony
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Posted: 10/29/2012 5:52 AM
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Since the Serra league only gets 2 playoff spots guaranteed in the Pac-5, Notre Dame would most likely be a Wild Card team for the playoffs. There are 2 wildcard spots available in the pac-5 and I highly doubt they will take 2 teams from Serra League as both wildcard spots. In fact, it would be criminal to take 2 teams from the same league for both spots. My guess is Crespi is left out this year.
Wildcard Opportunities (as I see it):
-Winner of Thousand Oaks v Newbury Park would be #5 out of Marmonte League
-San Clemente- would be #3 out of the South Coast League
-Orange Lutheran- would be #4 out of the Trinity League
-Notre Dame- #3 out of Serra League
-Crespi- #4 out of Serra League
Last edited 10/29/2012 5:54 AM by StickyHands05
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Posted: 10/29/2012 6:40 AM
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criteria utilized by the at-large selection committee: (a) head-to-head competition of teams under consideration (4 points) nd (b) overall strength of the league from which the team is entered (1 point) tie (c) overall win-loss record (1 point)crespi (d) strength against common opponents (1 point)crespi (e) strength of schedule (2 points, using overall win-loss record of opponents)nd (f) Free lance teams will be part of the pool for the filling of at-large berths
If ND loses it looks like they will be the choice using CIF selection criteria. |
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:50 PM
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if Crespi makes the playoffs does Mack keep his job?
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Posted: 10/29/2012 4:56 PM
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Nadefan wrote: criteria utilized by the at-large selection committee: (a) head-to-head competition of teams under consideration (4 points) nd (b) overall strength of the league from which the team is entered (1 point) tie (c) overall win-loss record (1 point)crespi (d) strength against common opponents (1 point)crespi (e) strength of schedule (2 points, using overall win-loss record of opponents)nd (f) Free lance teams will be part of the pool for the filling of at-large berths
If ND loses it looks like they will be the choice using CIF selection criteria. It looks like you may be wrong on (e). This could turn into a coin toss... It actually looks the same way if Amat looses. I did not break out the calculator as that would prove I have far too much time on my hands. It sucks that the lower leagues (Marmonte, etc.) get to send the likes of say, Moorpark that the only real team they play is OC when Serra has all five teams that can compete at the top level only gets 2 sure spots. Serra is a tough league but great competition breeds great players.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 5:26 PM
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If ND wins, then I think BA gets the first bid and Crespi gets the 2nd at large bid, if BA wins, then OLu would get the first bid and ND the 2nd bid.
If BA wins, ND is the first team from the Serra to be considered for the first at large bid, Crespi at 4th is not even in the picture at this point, once the first bid is awarded, then the second bid is considered removing the team that won the bid from consideration and if the league that won the first bid has another team then that team will be considered for the 2nd bid.
That is why if ND wins, BA will win the first bid (IMO) as the best team over all others, and on the 2nd bid Crespi would be considered over all others. If BA wins the game with ND, ND is not as good a record as OLu and IMO Olu wins the first bid. That leaves ND still in the pile for the 2nd bid and there is only 2 to get.
and if OLu wins the first bid in either case of the BA or ND game, Crespi is done.
Last edited 10/29/2012 5:28 PM by 2002tony
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Posted: 10/29/2012 6:52 PM
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Im positive that ND opponents W-L record is better.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2012 9:15 PM
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Crespi should make the playoffs as the final wildcard team using the CIF criteria
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Posted: 10/29/2012 10:08 PM
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Is the a rule against two teams from the same league getting both at large spots?
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Posted: 10/29/2012 10:28 PM
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No
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Posted: 10/29/2012 10:37 PM
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Nadefan wrote: Crespi should make the playoffs as the final wildcard team using the CIF criteria Not necessarily, Crespi can get the 2nd at large bid if ND or Amat gets the first one, which Amat will, but I dont think ND will get the first one if they are the 3rd place team. Above it looked like you were comparing Crespi to ND for an at large bid, however that cant happen. The 3rd place team from the Serra will be compared with the other leagues 3rd place (SCL) or 4th place (trinity & Moore) or in the case of the marmonte 5th place team. If the 3rd place team from the Serra gets the first Bid, then the 4th place team from the Serra is compared against those same teams for the 2nd bid. |
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Posted: 10/29/2012 10:41 PM
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footboll wrote: Is the a rule against two teams from the same league getting both at large spots? No there is no rule, and when the Serra had Md, Bosco, and Servite in it, there was one year that all of them were in the playoffs. There was 3 at large bid and received all of them. |
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:51 PM
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You know, Loyola didn't look bad to me, against Crespi. A train wreck of turnovers, more than anything else.
They have a very strong secondary.
They seek to pound it out on the ground, and from what I saw last Friday, that might just be possible.
Alemany wants to win league as badly as Loyola wants to avoid being winless in league. Good match up?
What say you, Cub fans? Too depressing of a season to comment?
No one seems to have considered the possibility of an upset.
That would be interesting.
Ventura
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Posted: 10/30/2012 6:08 PM
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1ventura wrote: You know, Loyola didn't look bad to me, against Crespi. A train wreck of turnovers, more than anything else.
They have a very strong secondary.
They seek to pound it out on the ground, and from what I saw last Friday, that might just be possible.
Alemany wants to win league as badly as Loyola wants to avoid being winless in league. Good match up?
What say you, Cub fans? Too depressing of a season to comment?
No one seems to have considered the possibility of an upset.
That would be interesting.
Ventura Loyola gave Amat a tough game last Friday, down by just 3 in the 4th quarter. They have beaten some quite respectable teams, tho IMO that 45-0 rout at the hands of (an excellent) SJB team rubbed a little luster off going into league play. I've seen them twice this year, against HWL and ND, and noticed they're very one dimensional, in fact they hardly moved the ball against ND, with a near non-existent passing game. Will their rushing game game be enough to score points against Alemany's battered D-line? I'm not counting them out (Loyola) but I think the Warriors' defense steps up and Alemany stays focused and wins this one 27-14.
Last edited 10/30/2012 6:12 PM by ironwarrior1
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