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Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
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Posted: 06/14/2008 12:09 PM
Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
How the hell was he a 4 star?
He broke zero tackles against Loyola 2000. The only long gains he had were a result of huge holes. Gable reminds me of him so much.
I think H-D is a good guy and persevered as a true Trojan but his football skills were a bit overrated coming in.
Last edited 06/14/2008 12:13 PM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/14/2008 1:10 PM
I guess that is why they both became starters
trojanssmacktalk wrote: How the hell was he a 4 star?
He broke zero tackles against Loyola 2000. The only long gains he had were a result of huge holes. Gable reminds me of him so much.
I think H-D is a good guy and persevered as a true Trojan but his football skills were a bit overrated coming in. until they were injured; they were not over rated. Obviously you have never watched them play. |
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Posted: 06/14/2008 2:33 PM
GABLE NEEDS TO MOVE TO DEFENSE NOW!
Gable's 3.9 yards per carry in his first 90 attempts in college football frankly sucks . If he stays at runningback, he will take carries away from the much better runningbacks via Stafon/Mcknight
I've seen HD play and he never cracked 100 plus yards in a game in college football. And he was a starter all season in 2003.
They became starters for 1 exact reason: They were hard workers, nothing more and nothing less.
Last edited 06/14/2008 2:33 PM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/14/2008 5:36 PM
LOL.
trojanssmacktalk wrote: Gable's 3.9 yards per carry in his first 90 attempts in college football frankly sucks . If he stays at runningback, he will take carries away from the much better runningbacks via Stafon/Mcknight
I've seen HD play and he never cracked 100 plus yards in a game in college football. And he was a starter all season in 2003.
They became starters for 1 exact reason: They were hard workers, nothing more and nothing less.
Dennis had to split carries with White and Bush; silly boy. Gable has averaged over 5.0 yards a carry, he is a far better blocker and receiver than Stafon. Other than that you got it about right. |
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Posted: 06/14/2008 10:52 PM
Re: LOL.
In the only 2 games that Gable and stafon played together, Gable avg more yards, they both played against the same teams, Gable did better. If pete carroll start stafon or Gable or Tyler for all that matters, im fine with his decision, the RB will share carries, Regardless of what any Gable hater or stafon lover thinks or vice versa, too many good rb on the team.
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Posted: 06/15/2008 8:27 PM
Re: LOL.
Your argument is so flawed I almost want to choke. It's like saying "Oh Stanley Havili averaged 15 yards per carry against Nebraska, that makes him a better runningback than Stafon because his yards per carry were better in ONE GAME against a ****** defense!" Get real, as you can see anybody on our team can put up astronomical numbers against the Huskers and Vandals-
Gable's 11 yards per carry with "ONLY" 9 ATTEMPTS were against the VANDALS AND HUSKER...two of the top ten worst run defenses in the nation!!!!
I saw what he's done against quality defenses or---FOR A FULL YEAR (2006) and he hit a wall--I repeat 3.9...3.9...3.9.
I'm not a Gable Hater nor a STafon Lover. In fact, I thought Gable was a better runningback coming out of High school. But after watching them over the past 2 years, it's clear Gable is not cut out to be a runningback. Stafon is built to play RB........And Gable is not a "good" runninback.... He's an 'average' runningback with a "great" work ethic.
Last edited 06/15/2008 8:31 PM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/15/2008 8:33 PM
fantav---I'm silly????
Get real.
You don't think White or Bush had to split carries or touches with Dennis as well??????.
White ran nearly over a 100 yards in one half (via Arizona St) as a freshman. And Bush had 250 plus all purpose yards against Notre Dame.
Bush & White are PLAYMAKERS/WORTH THEIR RATING.... Dennis WAS NOT!!!!
And I'm seeing the same situation now. What Hershel Dennis was to Bush/White is what C.J. Gable is to Stafon/Mknight.
I'm praying that Pete moves Gable to defense now. He's hurting our team by taking carries away from the much better backs. And your 5.0 yards per carry argument is skewed... it's like saying Dodger's rafeal Furcal was batting 450 during his first 2 games this year and forgetting to mention that he now can't even crack 275 for the "entire year".... Take away Gables 9 carries away from the two of the top 10 worst run defenses in the Vandals and Huskers, and you have a guy who couldn't even crack 4.0 yards a pop: that's unnacceptable.
Last edited 06/15/2008 8:42 PM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/15/2008 9:52 PM
Re: Now SMacktalk?
Heres Gable stats against the same teams Stafon ran against. Heres stafon stats vs the same teams. | 2007 OPPONENTS | Att | Yds | Avg | TD | | | Idaho (Sep. 1) | 12 | 64 | 5.3 | 2 | | | at Nebraska (Sep. 15) | 11 | 144 | 13.1 | 1 |
Heres Herschell Dennis fresh and soph years. | 2003 | 10 | 62 | 6.2 | 1 | | 137 | 661 | 4.8 | 4 | | | 2002 | 4 | 23 | 5.8 | 0 | | 49 | 198 | 4.0 | 1 |
Heres Jonathen stewart the #1 Running Back in the country and #13 pick in the draft. Freshman Year. Heres Marlon Lucky, a Heisman canidate. Notice all these great stats by All American running backs. Lets look at a few others. Heres USC Orange Bowl team and Sultan and JUstin Fargas, a 1000 yard season last year from Fargas. As seniors, they were not much better than Gable. | RUSHING | | Att | Yds | Avg | TD | | Sultan McCullough | | 179 | 814 | 4.5 | 8 | | Justin Fargas | | 161 | 715 | 4.4 | 7 | | Hershel Dennis | | 49 | 198 | 4.0 | 1 | | Malaefou MacKenzie | | 47 | 174 | 3.7 | 2 |
Once again, im sure Pete Carrol knows what he is doing.
CJ Gable freshman year is not as bad as it seams, IMO, and he was running very well the next although injured and a little in the doghouse.
| C.J. GABLE STATS | Receiving | Rushing | | Statistics | No | Yds | Avg | TD | | Att | Yds | Avg | TD | | | 2006 | 9 | 90 | 10.0 | 0 | | 111 | 434 | 3.9 | 4 |
Last edited 06/15/2008 9:56 PM by bigjim1786
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Posted: 06/15/2008 10:07 PM
Re: Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
trojanssmacktalk wrote: How the hell was he a 4 star?
He broke zero tackles against Loyola 2000. The only long gains he had were a result of huge holes. Gable reminds me of him so much.
I think H-D is a good guy and persevered as a true Trojan but his football skills were a bit overrated coming in. hmmm...I see the Bigmouth-Bandwagoner now sits behind his monitor calling guys who laid it on the line for USC 'overrated'. By all means...please share with us your accomplishments in life...apart from Daddy paying your way through school? Get real..if PC recruited them and plays them...they're good. And you still sit at home criticizing others. Loser. BTW, didn't Mommy and Daddy teach you that if you can't say something nice...you're not obligated to say ANYTHING at all. |
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Posted: 06/16/2008 8:40 AM
Gable makes very few mistakes
He can run, block and is a good receiver. Players like CJ Gable work well in a balanced attack. That is what the Trojans present. If a RB can't block, he won't play much at USC. Dennis was also a triple threat.
Gable and Dennis can do the things the average fan doesn't see or appreciate. But coaches know.
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Posted: 06/16/2008 10:25 AM
Final wrap up bigjim.
Bigjim: You have to consider the fact that Gable's has had a better offensive line than any of the runningbacks you've mentioned.
Offensive lineman drafted within the first 2 rounds under Sulton M, and Justin Fargas' year:
1--- LT Jacob Rodgers
Offensive lineman drafted within the first 2 round under C.J. Gable
3--- LT Sam Baker; LG Chilo Rachel; C Ryan Kalil.... And I'm almost certain Byers will be drafted within the first 2 rounds.
Gable has simply had a better offensive line than all the runningbacks you've mentioned and yet, he couldn't even average 4 yards a carry.... This doesn't stand out to me.
And you can't compare how Gable and Stafon faired agaisnt the same competion. You're only citing 2 games against terrible defenses. Havili averaged 15 some yards against the Huskers, does that make him a better runner that Stafon. The true test is how Gable faired over the course of a season. And Gable's 2006 campaign doesn't even come close to Stafon's 2007 campaign.
Gable's 2006 3.9 average < Stafon's 2007 6.9 average..... THAT'S NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH AS GABLE!
I want to make it clear, I have no vendetta against Gable. Gable deserved to start over Stafon in 2006...Stafon wasn't putting the time and effort to be on the field. But now Stafon has and so now he's the better runningback.
Plus, I look at Gable's situation and with potentially losing our starting secondary gone after this year due to graduation and NFL draft, Gable will have 2 solid years to play defense (But if he starts this year, he'll have 3 so why not make the change now?). He's long and has a lot of hop, I think he can be an outstanding corner-back (6 foot, cut 205, rangy, long arms...seems like a physical corner to me) as opposed to an average runningback. Let's remember, he was also a top 5 rated d-back coming in so suggesting he shouild move to defense is not an insult by any means.
Last edited 06/16/2008 10:51 AM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/16/2008 10:28 AM
Re: Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
bdcr,
I never questioned HD's and C.J's heart. They bleed Trojan so don't make any lies. I questioned their football ratings as runningback. FYI, I said Gable could be an OUTSTANDING CORNERBACK...Does that sound like a diss?
And Keep the parents out of this. Talk football.
Last edited 06/16/2008 10:43 AM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/16/2008 10:31 AM
SColdtimer and fellow alumn
I've heard Stafon has improved his blockin immensely. If that's the case, Stafon's great running and improved blocking abilities supercedes Gable's average running ability and great blocking.
And about the recieving issue. Mcknight's got Gable on this.. This leaves Gable out of the equation=He should move to defense.
Last edited 06/16/2008 10:53 AM by trojanssmacktalk
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Posted: 06/16/2008 11:09 AM
Re: Gable makes very few mistakes
Trojansmacktalk, Stafon had a huge season as a sophmore almost gaining 2000 yards, around 1700-1800, this was a huge accomplishment coming from a tough dorsey team putting him so far in front of the Running backs around the country , facing tough teams, and a teamate that also started with the best running back in the country at oregon shared carries with stafon, but even when stafon had the scene to himself in high school, his stats against the same competition, is no where near cj gable, its not even close, and as of right now, when healthy, Stafon has not done better. And do not for get, stafon has had bad games also, against bad teams, just look up his stats.
Its one thing to say, i feel stafon is the better back, but, another when we trash a fellow trojan, to say CJ should go to corner, only goes to his advantage, he played both ways, and willed his team the city semi finals, while stafon team sent 11 guys to D1 scholarships, his teams were loaded. CJ did it all. And Stafon only had to play mostly Running back, and CJ outdid him on all catagorieys. Like 500 more yards rushing, 500 more yards recieving, 20+ more touchdowns.
I want stafon to start and win a Heisman, i also want every 1 of our backs to do the same, you have not proven that any one of these backs can not succeed, and do great, you just give opinions, and i will take pete carroll opinion over you and me any day.
Years ago, i was pissed that Daylon Mccutchion,(sorry if misspelled) Was the best Running Back on the team coming from high school, and played corner, he knew his best way to the NFL, so does CJ, but if you have the heart to take the hits, instead of delivering them, i am all for it .
USC 2002 line with 2 USA today all american running backs, and a heisman quarterback, Lets compare justin Fargas, with a great Michigan team, and coming from being the #1 running back in the nations, he avg 3.6 yards a carry as a freshman. Once agian, CJ freshman year is not as bad as it seams, i have shown you 5 all american running backs that had worse years than CJ freshman year.
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Posted: 06/16/2008 3:42 PM
Re: Gable makes very few mistakes
Sadly I do not think Jeff Byers will be a 1st day draft selection.
Also, remember this. The coaches know more than all of us about both these players. Gable and Johnson are now entering their 3rd seasons at Troy. If Gable gets more carries or equal carries as Stafon, then clearly Stafon is not so far and away better than Gable.
The coaches would not put a RB on the field who did not make the team better.
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Posted: 06/16/2008 11:55 PM
Re: GABLE NEEDS TO MOVE TO DEFENSE NOW!
if herschel dennis was the starter as you deemed it for the entire 2003 season, why did lendale have more carries than he did, and why did bush have almost as much... it was a tailback by committee just like the last few years man... furthermore something tells me that pete carrol and todd mcnair have a slightly better grasp on the game of football, and on their runningbacks proficiency... not to say you are ignorant, but you sir are no pete carrol. trojanssmacktalk wrote: Gable's 3.9 yards per carry in his first 90 attempts in college football frankly sucks . If he stays at runningback, he will take carries away from the much better runningbacks via Stafon/Mcknight
I've seen HD play and he never cracked 100 plus yards in a game in college football. And he was a starter all season in 2003.
They became starters for 1 exact reason: They were hard workers, nothing more and nothing less.
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Posted: 06/17/2008 10:36 AM
Re: Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
Hershel has graduated and has moved on. However Gable is here and it is so easy to figure this out. How many times have you seen, heard, or read of Gable being either an All Conference back or someone with national ranking as a running back. Zip, zero, nada! Gable is not considered by anyone outside of some Trojan Gable fanatics as having "talent - one." The year Gable played was the "year of the injuries." Following his first start, the focus went to Moody and Washington. Gable knew this. When everyone was healthy - he took the year off. Johnson, Tyler, McKnight, Green, RoJo - they are the ones getting the big press, the looks and the preseason hype. Returning to Gable would be returning to a failed running game. You want that? Go for Gable. |
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Posted: 06/17/2008 4:34 PM
Really; this is getting silly.
migkiller wrote: Hershel has graduated and has moved on. However Gable is here and it is so easy to figure this out. How many times have you seen, heard, or read of Gable being either an All Conference back or someone with national ranking as a running back. Zip, zero, nada! Gable is not considered by anyone outside of some Trojan Gable fanatics as having "talent - one." The year Gable played was the "year of the injuries." Following his first start, the focus went to Moody and Washington. Gable knew this. When everyone was healthy - he took the year off. Johnson, Tyler, McKnight, Green, RoJo - they are the ones getting the big press, the looks and the preseason hype. Returning to Gable would be returning to a failed running game. You want that? Go for Gable. Gable has played injured the last two years. He is very talented and as tough as they come. The "he focus went to Moody and Washington" because Gable was hurt; so you have this backwards. When Gable was healthy; HE started. Stafon got the call, when other players were injured. Do you really even follow Trojan football? Tyler is getting zero to bad press, Green is getting almost no press, and Rojo is not a running back. Only Stafon and McKnight are getting press from pundits that do not know the program. Both Tyler and Green are below even Bradford on the depth chart and HE is getting no press. Stafon is getting the press only because he is the number one returning rusher from last year and McKnight is getting the press because he is the number two returning rusher and also because of a nice Rose Bowl performance. The pundits do not look past the box scores and they missed the fact that McKnight was largely a non-factor for most of last year and that Stafon is not the number one back when the coaches look at the complete package; that player is C.J.
Last edited 06/17/2008 4:37 PM by fantasmavigilante
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Posted: 06/17/2008 5:17 PM
Re: Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
trojanssmacktalk wrote: How the hell was he a 4 star?
He broke zero tackles against Loyola 2000. The only long gains he had were a result of huge holes. Gable reminds me of him so much.
I think H-D is a good guy and persevered as a true Trojan but his football skills were a bit overrated coming in. Gable, when healthy, we one of our best backs last year. His avg was off the charts. |
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Posted: 06/17/2008 10:15 PM
Re: Hershel Dennis was OVERRATED COMING IN: LIKE GABLE
lambdachi, If you read what I wrote: Gable had only 12 carries (I said 9*, correction--it was 12) against two of worst run defenses (Nebraska and Vandals) in the nation last year and averaged 11 yards..... So what??? Havili averaged 12 something yards against both teams combined. Anybody could have put astronomical numbers against those teams.
You take away those 12 carries against those pathetic defenses, and Gable averages 3.9 carries over 100 carries.
Stafon's first 100 carries= 6.8 yards per carry
Gable's first 100 carries=3.9 yards per carry.
Now you tell me if he should take carries away from a guy who averages nearly twice as much yards than him: Gable should move to defense.
Last edited 06/17/2008 10:16 PM by trojanssmacktalk
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