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Manziel - Deeply Flawed Mechanics, Back Foot Throws, Dead Ducks

Posted: 8/29/2014 12:29 AM

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I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?

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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:30 AM

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Don't you always throw off your back foot?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:32 AM

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Dang.  It is a shame nobody knew about these sort of shortcoming on draft day.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:47 AM

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He has upside don't ya think. Relax
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:55 AM

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brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?
Yes very concerned...Inside the pocket Manziel's mechanics are a mess and often times he seems to panic under pressure. He never protects the ball either, he just holds it out with one hand, if he doesn't correct this he will have a fumble problem.

I do however like what he can do when he rolls out or gets outside the pocket, he just seems much more comfortable on the move to me. Right now though he is more of just a running QB, his accuracy is very inconsistent and he will have to correct a lot of things if he is ever gonna be a real accurate passer in the NFL.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:03 AM

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Our QB coach has his work cut out for him.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:07 AM

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Doesn't matter if he throws from his knees, he gets record ratings.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:07 AM

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brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?
Yes and no.  The unfortunate truth is....  Johnny is 5'11.  He's NEVER going to be able to make the same throws as a guy 6'5.  He's always going to have to throw from odd angles etc.  You want him to throw with tight mechanics whenever possible.  But if a guy like Manning can hit 60% of his passes with clean footwork etc (meaning he's not under significant pressure) then Johnny can probably do it 30-40% of the time.  He cannot stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike like a guy who's 6'5.  Hell..... Drew Brees is a GREAT QB.  And he can't do it either.  There are certain plays that Brees would make if he were 6'5.  Being short is not a benefit to the QB position.  But in a select few cases guys have hones other parts of their game so much so that their inability to stand tall in the pocket and make last second throws with good mechanics doesn't overcome their overall game.  

I think the key to Johnny's development is a mixture of proper throwing mechanics AND the ability to work them into his game as much as possible.  You want him running around and being "Johnny."  But at the same time you need a core game in which the coach can dial up a play and Johnny can execute... without being Johnny lol.  That means you emphasize throwing with proper mechanics and teach him to make better plays on the run.  Johnny doesn't just throw off his backfoot.  He throws while moving backwards.  It takes a lot of zip off his balls and will make him inaccurate.  You want to minimize that without destroying his game.  So you emphasize not only when to run.... but where and how.  We use designed roll outs based on the zone stretch.  It's a perfect combination for a guy like Manziel.  But on normal passing plays you need him to do a better job recognizing the blitzes pre snap so he knows where to step.  Once he starts leaving the pocket at the right time.... not early.... and not in a position where he's running backwards lol.... then he will naturally be in better throwing positions.  

Everything with Manziel revolves around his ability to be a pro QB.  He needs a solid mental game in order to get production from his improvisational skills.  Small things like recognizing blitzes and changing protections to match, adjusting the Wr's routes to the coverages etc,  will make his improvisational stuff a lot better.  He'll move in the right direction, get hit less often, and put a lot more velocity on his throws.  If he can also develop near perfect mechanics in the pocket..... then we can run some designed deep passes.  You want to take a couple shots a game to keep the defense honest.  That's where Johnny needs the same training as any other QB.  

And keep in mind.... he's 21... he's not an instant star.  He's a long term project.  He'll look pretty bad this season.  But as things come together he may be just fine.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:29 AM

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Tim Tebow lite part Duex
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:49 AM

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I'm with Linehogs. Johnny still has time to develop.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:03 AM

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Linehogs wrote:
brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?
Yes and no.  The unfortunate truth is....  Johnny is 5'11.  He's NEVER going to be able to make the same throws as a guy 6'5.  He's always going to have to throw from odd angles etc.  You want him to throw with tight mechanics whenever possible.  But if a guy like Manning can hit 60% of his passes with clean footwork etc (meaning he's not under significant pressure) then Johnny can probably do it 30-40% of the time.  He cannot stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike like a guy who's 6'5.  Hell..... Drew Brees is a GREAT QB.  And he can't do it either.  There are certain plays that Brees would make if he were 6'5.  Being short is not a benefit to the QB position.  But in a select few cases guys have hones other parts of their game so much so that their inability to stand tall in the pocket and make last second throws with good mechanics doesn't overcome their overall game.  

I think the key to Johnny's development is a mixture of proper throwing mechanics AND the ability to work them into his game as much as possible.  You want him running around and being "Johnny."  But at the same time you need a core game in which the coach can dial up a play and Johnny can execute... without being Johnny lol.  That means you emphasize throwing with proper mechanics and teach him to make better plays on the run.  Johnny doesn't just throw off his backfoot.  He throws while moving backwards.  It takes a lot of zip off his balls and will make him inaccurate.  You want to minimize that without destroying his game.  So you emphasize not only when to run.... but where and how.  We use designed roll outs based on the zone stretch.  It's a perfect combination for a guy like Manziel.  But on normal passing plays you need him to do a better job recognizing the blitzes pre snap so he knows where to step.  Once he starts leaving the pocket at the right time.... not early.... and not in a position where he's running backwards lol.... then he will naturally be in better throwing positions.  

Everything with Manziel revolves around his ability to be a pro QB.  He needs a solid mental game in order to get production from his improvisational skills.  Small things like recognizing blitzes and changing protections to match, adjusting the Wr's routes to the coverages etc,  will make his improvisational stuff a lot better.  He'll move in the right direction, get hit less often, and put a lot more velocity on his throws.  If he can also develop near perfect mechanics in the pocket..... then we can run some designed deep passes.  You want to take a couple shots a game to keep the defense honest.  That's where Johnny needs the same training as any other QB.  

And keep in mind.... he's 21... he's not an instant star.  He's a long term project.  He'll look pretty bad this season.  But as things come together he may be just fine.
That is a great post Linehogs
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:52 AM

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All that matters is whether he wins or not----that is it period.  This is a big boy league and a bottom line business.

It remains to be seen whether he can win or not in the NFL.

That said--and understanding preseason means nothing--he has done nothing whatsoever to alleviate my grave doubts regarding his ability to throw the ball in Cleveland in the fall, whether he is able to adjust to an offense that requires him to know more than three plays, and whether or not he can recognize defensive schemes.  He has show nothing in the meaningless games to make me think he can do any of these things.

However, it is a fresh slate....I expect to see him soon when it counts and the judgments can be made then.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:53 AM

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I was not a fan of drafting him. However this preseason (last night not included) He has had zip on his throws, threw tight spirals, and was very accurate. Not sure what he had going on last night but he was off. Looking at last night, despite having an awful night throwing he led a few scoring drives. This gives me the most hope of anything I have seen in him. When he has an off day he can still lead the team to scores. He also still has a lot to work on before getting the keys turned over to him. He needs to go through progressions and recognize the defense. Once he has those things down I think he will be a great QB for us, in fact the best since Kosar. Speaking of Kosar everyone remember his mechanics?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:13 AM

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No comparisons between the two, lazy take. While manziels footwork needs to get better, his actually throwing motion is nice and he can drop it into different slots to make different throws. Also much more instinctive in the pocket than tebow. Tebow got by on being strong, wasn't overly shifty and had the worst throwing motion iv ever seen . Most of manziels problems are footwork and being too amped up and gripping the ball too tight, both very correctable , there was no correcting tebow.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:15 AM

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Lol, Manziel is learning. He makes things happen. Yes, last nite he probably like a few throws back, but he stayed in the pocket when he needed to, looked down field. I thought he rushed things when throwing from the bootleg. Favre did the same thing!
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:18 AM

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Linehogs wrote:
brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?
Yes and no.  The unfortunate truth is....  Johnny is 5'11.  He's NEVER going to be able to make the same throws as a guy 6'5.  He's always going to have to throw from odd angles etc.  You want him to throw with tight mechanics whenever possible.  But if a guy like Manning can hit 60% of his passes with clean footwork etc (meaning he's not under significant pressure) then Johnny can probably do it 30-40% of the time.  He cannot stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike like a guy who's 6'5.  Hell..... Drew Brees is a GREAT QB.  And he can't do it either.  There are certain plays that Brees would make if he were 6'5.  Being short is not a benefit to the QB position.  But in a select few cases guys have hones other parts of their game so much so that their inability to stand tall in the pocket and make last second throws with good mechanics doesn't overcome their overall game.  

I think the key to Johnny's development is a mixture of proper throwing mechanics AND the ability to work them into his game as much as possible.  You want him running around and being "Johnny."  But at the same time you need a core game in which the coach can dial up a play and Johnny can execute... without being Johnny lol.  That means you emphasize throwing with proper mechanics and teach him to make better plays on the run.  Johnny doesn't just throw off his backfoot.  He throws while moving backwards.  It takes a lot of zip off his balls and will make him inaccurate.  You want to minimize that without destroying his game.  So you emphasize not only when to run.... but where and how.  We use designed roll outs based on the zone stretch.  It's a perfect combination for a guy like Manziel.  But on normal passing plays you need him to do a better job recognizing the blitzes pre snap so he knows where to step.  Once he starts leaving the pocket at the right time.... not early.... and not in a position where he's running backwards lol.... then he will naturally be in better throwing positions.  

Everything with Manziel revolves around his ability to be a pro QB.  He needs a solid mental game in order to get production from his improvisational skills.  Small things like recognizing blitzes and changing protections to match, adjusting the Wr's routes to the coverages etc,  will make his improvisational stuff a lot better.  He'll move in the right direction, get hit less often, and put a lot more velocity on his throws.  If he can also develop near perfect mechanics in the pocket..... then we can run some designed deep passes.  You want to take a couple shots a game to keep the defense honest.  That's where Johnny needs the same training as any other QB.  

And keep in mind.... he's 21... he's not an instant star.  He's a long term project.  He'll look pretty bad this season.  But as things come together he may be just fine.
+69. This is a sound, rational take...rare in these parts.

It may be wishful thinking but I'm seeing progress on a weekly basis with mechanics, reads and understanding of defenses/coverages.

Last week, it was the naked bootleg where he had his FB open for a short gain and waited and waited before dumping it off to him. The idiot sitting behind me -- who made it clear he "hates this kid" -- was going on and on about why Senor Foosball didn't throw him the ball as soon as he was open.  What the mouth-breather behind me didn't understand or see is that he had a WR running a go route in 1-on-1 coverage and was giving him a chance to get some separation. 

Last night, there was a zone coverages and JFF threw what looked to be a pass behind the receiver but even Wilcox  pointed out that the WR was to find the seam and " sit" -- but didn't. That example, I think, is symptomatic of our problem at WR. I really don't think some of these guys know how to play the position -- and part of that is coaching.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:22 AM

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Didn't know we had so many NFL QB coaches on this board.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:56 AM

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Gonna be a lot of duck hunting licenses for sale in Cleveland, on sundays. especially when the lil feller plays! Quack, quack.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:59 AM

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What about passes like he had to Benji?  He had a clean pocket, took his time, planted his foot firmly...and still threw a duck that seemed to take a full minute to land.  These are the throws that concern me...because even when everything went right footwork-wise...the ability to drive the ball with velocity was still absent.  Throws like these make me question whether if it's even in his DNA to challenge the 3rd level of the field.  This particular pass was a wobbler.  Perhaps the ugly rotation killed the velocity.  Hard to say.  But I've seen other QB's with inconsistent spin still generate plenty of zip.

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Linehogs wrote:
brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?
Yes and no.  The unfortunate truth is....  Johnny is 5'11.  He's NEVER going to be able to make the same throws as a guy 6'5.  He's always going to have to throw from odd angles etc.  You want him to throw with tight mechanics whenever possible.  But if a guy like Manning can hit 60% of his passes with clean footwork etc (meaning he's not under significant pressure) then Johnny can probably do it 30-40% of the time.  He cannot stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike like a guy who's 6'5.  Hell..... Drew Brees is a GREAT QB.  And he can't do it either.  There are certain plays that Brees would make if he were 6'5.  Being short is not a benefit to the QB position.  But in a select few cases guys have hones other parts of their game so much so that their inability to stand tall in the pocket and make last second throws with good mechanics doesn't overcome their overall game.  

I think the key to Johnny's development is a mixture of proper throwing mechanics AND the ability to work them into his game as much as possible.  You want him running around and being "Johnny."  But at the same time you need a core game in which the coach can dial up a play and Johnny can execute... without being Johnny lol.  That means you emphasize throwing with proper mechanics and teach him to make better plays on the run.  Johnny doesn't just throw off his backfoot.  He throws while moving backwards.  It takes a lot of zip off his balls and will make him inaccurate.  You want to minimize that without destroying his game.  So you emphasize not only when to run.... but where and how.  We use designed roll outs based on the zone stretch.  It's a perfect combination for a guy like Manziel.  But on normal passing plays you need him to do a better job recognizing the blitzes pre snap so he knows where to step.  Once he starts leaving the pocket at the right time.... not early.... and not in a position where he's running backwards lol.... then he will naturally be in better throwing positions.  

Everything with Manziel revolves around his ability to be a pro QB.  He needs a solid mental game in order to get production from his improvisational skills.  Small things like recognizing blitzes and changing protections to match, adjusting the Wr's routes to the coverages etc,  will make his improvisational stuff a lot better.  He'll move in the right direction, get hit less often, and put a lot more velocity on his throws.  If he can also develop near perfect mechanics in the pocket..... then we can run some designed deep passes.  You want to take a couple shots a game to keep the defense honest.  That's where Johnny needs the same training as any other QB.  

And keep in mind.... he's 21... he's not an instant star.  He's a long term project.  He'll look pretty bad this season.  But as things come together he may be just fine.






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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:21 AM

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Mr.3rd Rounder just isn't very good. Been saying it for months. He was a JH pick 100% to bring the fan base together and sell tickets due to his complete F-UP of his coaching hirings/firings.

#1 He does have below velocity/arm strength.
When he does try and put zip on the ball he loses his accuracy BIG time.
When he throws the deep ball he turns his back almost even with the LoS.

#2 His mechanics always have been bad. Heck someone mentioned he practices throwing from bad angles! ROFL. If he had a knock on him coming out this was 100% an issue that all scouts saw.

We just flat out missed on two talents TB/Carr with more NFL potential because we wanted to sell tickets. It's really a shame.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:25 AM

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JF does have a way to go but I think he will get there.  He is fun to watch.  As long as the haters don't get their way and start him too early I think he will be fine.  Why some folks want to see him start soon is beyond me, no sense in getting him killed.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:30 AM

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Kid is a human video game.
When the light goes on and it slows down look out.
He's a hot mess in the pocket and needs to work on his footwork and mechanics but the kid has a nice arm and an uncanny knack of making stuff happen.
Last night was him right now in a nutshell as player and why he needs to sit.
He was messy, some poorly thrown balls due to mechanics but then flashed WOW.
Gonna be a good one next year. Important he sits and gets spot playing time.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:37 AM

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Flawed mechanics--- yes
Backfoot throws--- yes
Dead ducks--- yes

Rushing ability, learned to slide to avoid hits, better decision making, ability to confound a defense and make them create a set just to defense him. --- yes

I didn't want him either but I'm warning up quickly. Real quickly. The kid can play and all of the things you mention are correctable, or at least are areas where he can improve dramatically.

He has a stronger arm than I thought he did. Some of those rollout to the left, throw across your body while jumping on your back foot throws were dead on.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:37 AM

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Biscuit57 wrote: What about passes like he had to Benji?  He had a clean pocket, took his time, planted his foot firmly...and still threw a duck that seemed to take a full minute to land.
Manziel came into the draft with the best deep ball out of all the QB's. He's made that throw to Benji numerous times during TC. His short game and his deep ball I never worried about. He's usually very accurate with those. Sometimes guys throw ducks, it happens. What his deal was last night I don't know. He was very accurate to all levels while on the move but using good mechanics and sitting in the pocket he was off.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:37 AM

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Nothing wrong with Manziel.

His Mechanics are fine.

It was his last appearance for a while and he was trying to put too much smoke on the ball on a couple of his throws.

And he can smoke it, but he was a little jacked up and trying too hard to impress.

Guy has an uncanny ability and accuracy when throwing on the run.

And Manziel practices backfoot throws.

I wouldn't change a thing about Manziel.

Nothing to worry about.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:41 AM

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He was awfully messy back there and the game was moving fast for him at times.
He has shown he can be coached up. He will be. When he is ready this is going to be fun.

I do see the Steve Young comparisons now. About as close of a player in can compare him too.
Hell, young was only a little bit taller - lol!

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Nothing wrong with Manziel.

His Mechanics are fine.

It was his last appearance for a while and he was trying to put too much smoke on the ball on a couple of his throws.

And he can smoke it, but he was a little jacked up and trying too hard to impress.

Guy has an uncanny ability and accuracy when throwing on the run.

And Manziel practices backfoot throws.

I wouldn't change a thing about Manziel.

Nothing to worry about.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:41 AM

Re: Manziel - Deeply Flawed Mechanics, Back Foot Throws, Dead 


Has he ever...I said ever,  had a bad throwing day like last night...answer is hell no.  He had a bad frickin' game, now STXU and go back to you giggly friends. He still got them into scoring position in most cases last night.

Last edited 8/29/2014 8:47 AM by TxNemO

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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:44 AM

Re: Manziel - Deeply Flawed Mechanics, Back Foot Throws, Dead Du 



JackTBurton wrote: Kid is a human video game.
When the light goes on and it slows down look out.
He's a hot mess in the pocket and needs to work on his footwork and mechanics but the kid has a nice arm and an uncanny knack of making stuff happen.
Last night was him right now in a nutshell as player and why he needs to sit.
He was messy, some poorly thrown balls due to mechanics but then flashed WOW.
Gonna be a good one next year. Important he sits and gets spot playing time.
He isn't ready. But I think we have our qb

The only thing that will stop this kid is if in slowing his game down, he loses the dynamic he has and generates.  Kid reminds me of a guy that's really hyper.  That hyperactivity is what generates his game and the excitement of it.  Will he still be able to generate the points when they instill a little patience into his game?

Personally I think so.  The kid appears to be pretty smart.

One thing I saw again yesterday and I personally don't like is Manziel walking around pregame with a headset and his Ipod.   Two schools of thought there.  The first being that it helps your mood preparation for the game.  The second is that it gives the impression that your head is not in the game.  I dunno which one I follow, but if I were an old school coach, I'd be having a conniption about it.

Bad passes last night = Too much adrenaline.    that'll work itself out... I hope.
Trust me: you don't want to mess with me, son.

Last edited 8/29/2014 8:49 AM by YankeeBigDog

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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:49 AM

Re: Manziel - Deeply Flawed Mechanics, Back Foot Throws, Dead 


No.
brownblazer wrote:
I am not a huge Manziel fan.....Was against drafting him.....However, I have no problem rooting for him because I'm a Browns fan before anything else.....

There are many things JFF does well that are exciting ( mainly involving his feet ) but I can't get over how flawed his throwing mechanics are.....

Anytime he is on the run he throws from his back foot.....Even from the pocket he consistently throws off his back foot.....

Many people insist the JFF has a strong arm.....However, his overall arm strength is very suspect to me.....Within 10-15 yards he has plenty of zip......Anything further and his flawed mechanics come back to bite him it seems.....Many floaters and dead ducks, not just tonight but throughout the preseason and even throughout his college career.....


I'm not here to bash Manziel but i do think it is borderline laughable that some fans insist that JFF should be the starter of this team......The kid has a lot to work on.....Mainly involving his mechanics in my opinion.....

Anyone else concerned by JFF's flawed throwing mechanics?

Un- Pause..................Back to Madden 2013.
 

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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:50 AM

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A few of these last night.

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