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Browns Trying to Ink Hoyer to New Deal

Posted: 6/30/2014 10:17 AM

Browns Trying to Ink Hoyer to New Deal 


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Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension, per sources. Hoyer is headed into last year of his deal.


If this gets signed it will be very interesting to see what kind of money it's for.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:22 AM

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This is good news.  He must have passed their review during the OTAs and Mandatory Mini-camp.

I did not think he would be in contract discussions until after the third game of the NFL season.

I would like to see them sign him to a three to four year contract.  This would put to starting level QBs on the team for the next four to five years.

If the team is going to be a consistent playoff team over the next four to five years, they will need two quaity starters, since running QB types seem to get injured too often.

This also would allow Johnny Manziel to get indoctrinated into the NFL game at a speed that will maximize his development without jeopardizing potential losses of a rookie QB against top NFL type defenses and their coordinators, such as the first three teams the Cleveland Browns face in September 2014.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:24 AM

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Perfect place for an incentive laden contract.

I don't really know how many other teams would be willing to cough up a whole lot of cash for a basically unproven QB...  Even the Browns.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:26 AM

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Very intersting.
Four things can come of it - all good.
1. He plays lights out and we go to the playoffs and the team is his
2. He plays well, under contract and has a great trade value
3. We have a quality back up locked up
4. Lights a fire under señor futbal arse

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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:26 AM

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ramllov wrote: This is good news.  He must have passed their review during the OTAs and Mandatory Mini-camp.

I did not think he would be in contract discussions until after the third game of the NFL season.

I would like to see them sign him to a three to four year contract.  This would put to starting level QBs on the team for the next four to five years.

If the team is going to be a consistent playoff team over the next four to five years, they will need two quaity starters, since running QB types seem to get injured too often.

This also would allow Johnny Manziel to get indoctrinated into the NFL game at a speed that will maximize his development without jeopardizing potential losses of a rookie QB against top NFL type defenses and their coordinators, such as the first three teams the Cleveland Browns face in September 2014.
Yep...it's the PetFarm emphasis on competition actually being implemented...another step down the road to "continuity."
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:35 AM

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Does Hoyer settle for for a low tier extension, or try to go all in on having a big season this year and getting a heftier contract when he's a FA.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:39 AM

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If I was hoyer's agent I wouldn't talk serious until the season starts.
The browns see this is an opportunity to possibly by low right now but I wouldn't be so anxious to sign anything right now if I was Hoyer and his agent
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Does Hoyer settle for for a low tier extension, or try to go all in on having a big season this year and getting a heftier contract when he's a FA.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:40 AM

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JackTBurton wrote:

If I was hoyer's agent I wouldn't talk serious until the season starts.
The browns see this is an opportunity to possibly by low right now but I wouldn't be so anxious to sign anything right now if I was Hoyer and his agent
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Does Hoyer settle for for a low tier extension, or try to go all in on having a big season this year and getting a heftier contract when he's a FA.

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Agreed.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:46 AM

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I don't really see the incentive for Hoyer to sign, unless the guaranteed money is in "an offer he can't refuse" territory. If he signs for something like starter money and doesn't play well/plays OK but gets benched for Manziel anyway (think Alex Smith), he'll get cut. And it he plays very well, he'll want to test his value on the open market.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:53 AM

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PlaysWithSwagger wrote: I don't really see the incentive for Hoyer to sign, unless the guaranteed money is in "an offer he can't refuse" territory. If he signs for something like starter money and doesn't play well/plays OK but gets benched for Manziel anyway (think Alex Smith), he'll get cut. And it he plays very well, he'll want to test his value on the open market.

maybe the browns are looking for insurance for Manziel not working out..Hoyer is playing in his hometown, for a team he always wanted to be a part of. He's coming off injury and maybe browns could get him for something reasonable. Hoyer has plenty of incentive IMHO. JFF stil has A LOT to learn..
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:55 AM

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I can see Hoyer extending. Just a year ago Hoyer was unemployed, he's coming off an injury and the team just drafted Manziel. a good back up gets decent coin in the NFL, you start his contract off like that with a nice signing bonus add in a bunch of incentives for if he holds onto the starting job, more for really good play and his salary could go up to starting money if he's the starter.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:04 AM

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Makes sense Lzrd , he has not made much money over the years and last year should have been quite a scare with the injury . If he can get a bit of long term security I see him taking a reasonable offer . Starter money is what ? He started and finished tow games and then had a major injury .SO he's worth 10 mil a year.
LzrdKng wrote: I can see Hoyer extending. Just a year ago Hoyer was unemployed, he's coming off an injury and the team just drafted Manziel. a good back up gets decent coin in the NFL, you start his contract off like that with a nice signing bonus add in a bunch of incentives for if he holds onto the starting job, more for really good play and his salary could go up to starting money if he's the starter.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:06 AM

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Good to hear.  Prudent attempt by the Browns whether he goes for it or not.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:08 AM

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JackTBurton wrote: Very intersting.
Four things can come of it - all good.
1. He plays lights out and we go to the playoffs and the team is his
2. He plays well, under contract and has a great trade value
3. We have a quality back up locked up
4. Lights a fire under señor futbal arse
I agree on all accounts there except #4...oh never mind I just got it...lol
Only to add get the contract done now cause if its #1 or #2 we will have a different negotiation price at the end of the season.  Trade value with a long term contract in hand would be a great asset.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:11 AM

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JackTBurton wrote:
4. Lights a fire under señor futbal arse
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:12 AM

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JackTBurton wrote:

If I was hoyer's agent I wouldn't talk serious until the season starts.
The browns see this is an opportunity to possibly by low right now but I wouldn't be so anxious to sign anything right now if I was Hoyer and his agent
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That would be one way to go.  But the Agent has to remember, Browns control playing time --- and I don't for a second think that contract issues are disassociated with playing time in this case.

If Hoyer does not extend, its a great bet that PT is reduced significantly.  Hoyer would then be heading into free agency with a scant track record and the injury.  There are differences, of course, but teams will remember how Seattle and Oakland got burned by The Matt Flynn experience.  Hoyer is at a cross road while neither the team or the player really know at this point if BH is a starter or back up, and how he should be paid.  Would be a gutsy move if Hoyer were to turn down security of guaranteed money because he thinks he is owed starter level money.  Conversely, good play by the team to try and buy low now.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:13 AM

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I wonder whether the Browns wish to extend Hoyer has anything to do with Manziel's off-the-field shenanigans, and whether it has given the team pause whether he is truly is focused on the game of football or has legitimate personal issues that could impact his ability to play up to his potential?
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:16 AM

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JackTBurton wrote: Very intersting.
Four things can come of it - all good.
1. He plays lights out and we go to the playoffs and the team is his
2. He plays well, under contract and has a great trade value
3. We have a quality back up locked up
4. Lights a fire under señor futbal arse
I'm not sure how you can really establish his value right now. He has hardly played at all. If we can sign him to a reasonable contract that is still affordable even if he ends up being a long term backup I'm ok with it. I sure wouldn't give him a starter contract with much guaranteed money. He could be fools gold. I agree with you that he should probably wait to sign later this year if he is smart but maybe he wants security or maybe the Brown's are afraid that if they wait and he has a bust out year he will be twice as expensive. He isn't going to get the 15-20 mill that the stars get but I wouldn't even give him 8 million right now unless there is very little guarantees. I like Hoyer but we just don't know if he is a playoff caliber starting QB or not. I'll be curious to see what he gets.



                     
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:16 AM

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LzrdKng wrote: I can see Hoyer extending. Just a year ago Hoyer was unemployed, he's coming off an injury and the team just drafted Manziel. a good back up gets decent coin in the NFL, you start his contract off like that with a nice signing bonus add in a bunch of incentives for if he holds onto the starting job, more for really good play and his salary could go up to starting money if he's the starter.
Unemployed?  Last year he was without a team for a total of three days.  That's just taking a long weekend off, not unemployed.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:19 AM

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Agreed.

I can't see how both sides win here. There simply isn't enough evidence that Hoyer commands top 10 or even top 20 level QB money, so I can't imagine the Browns offering him much money or many years at this point.

But it's important to get the talks initiated so when/if he starts playing like a top ten QB, the negotiations won't be starting from scratch. If nothing else, it's sort of a vote of confidence - the good kind.

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I don't really see the incentive for Hoyer to sign, unless the guaranteed money is in "an offer he can't refuse" territory. If he signs for something like starter money and doesn't play well/plays OK but gets benched for Manziel anyway (think Alex Smith), he'll get cut. And it he plays very well, he'll want to test his value on the open market.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:20 AM

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DetDawg wrote: I wonder whether the Browns wish to extend Hoyer has anything to do with Manziel's off-the-field shenanigans, and whether it has given the team pause whether he is truly is focused on the game of football or has legitimate personal issues that could impact his ability to play up to his potential?

Initially, I was thinking the same thing, but I believe they are just trying to get something done early before the season (including training camp) kicks in. As mentioned by others, the thought of the knee injury / playing for 1 more year of a low rent contract has to be dancing around in his head.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:26 AM

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JackTBurton wrote:

If I was hoyer's agent I wouldn't talk serious until the season starts.
The browns see this is an opportunity to possibly by low right now but I wouldn't be so anxious to sign anything right now if I was Hoyer and his agent
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--- DeltaRaven wrote:

Does Hoyer settle for for a low tier extension, or try to go all in on having a big season this year and getting a heftier contract when he's a FA.

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You're putting a lot of faith in that surgically repaired knee of his...

If I were his agent, considering that not long ago he was out of football all together, I'd be inclined to look for an incentive laiden deal that pays him like a starter if he starts, and a back-up if he doesn't. I would also push for a nice signing bonus to get this done quickly -- that way they Browns pay him up front while they have cap room to spend, and he's protected in case of reinjury. From there the rest of pay is dictated by his performance and his contract also makes him tradeable.

 

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:30 AM

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What player in his right mind coming off an ACL tear wouldn't sign a contract extension to give some level of financial security? Look for a 3 year deal with a decent little signing bonus, good salary ($5 million?) and a player option after year 2 to void and get out.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:33 AM

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BSipe17 wrote:
DetDawg wrote: I wonder whether the Browns wish to extend Hoyer has anything to do with Manziel's off-the-field shenanigans, and whether it has given the team pause whether he is truly is focused on the game of football or has legitimate personal issues that could impact his ability to play up to his potential?

Initially, I was thinking the same thing, but I believe they are just trying to get something done early before the season (including training camp) kicks in. As mentioned by others, the thought of the knee injury / playing for 1 more year of a low rent contract has to be dancing around in his head.

I would wonder why the Browns would want to extend a contract to a guy that might play 2nd fiddle to Manziel unless they are concerned about Manziel. 

Maybe it comes down to money.  If the Browns want to sign Hoyer to decent second string QB money, then maybe the team's motivation has nothing to do with Manziel.  If their willing to give him first string money, I think that would indicate that Farmer has some concerns about Manziel.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:34 AM

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All depends on how confident he is in the knee and his ability to go out there and kill it.
It would be a calculated risk but why rush it now?
Let the camp unfold and a portion of the season.
I think that makes sense for both parties.
They both need to see what they are dealing with.
Could it backfire for him?
Sure
Could it backfire on the browns?
Sure


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What player in his right mind coming off an ACL tear wouldn't sign a contract extension to give some level of financial security? Look for a 3 year deal with a decent little signing bonus, good salary ($5 million?) and a player option after year 2 to void and get out.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:34 AM

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This is very smart by farmer. You sign him to a lower salary deal for 4 or 5 years and if he blossoms into a permanent starter you have a good QB under a small salary that won't hamper your salary cap for the next 4 to 5 seasons.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:40 AM

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brandon122oo7 wrote: This is very smart by farmer. You sign him to a lower salary deal for 4 or 5 years and if he blossoms into a permanent starter you have a good QB under a small salary that won't hamper your salary cap for the next 4 to 5 seasons.

If Hoyer turned out to be a permanent starter then you can bet your arse the contract will be renegotiated at some point.




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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:40 AM

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This would be great news if the Browns could get him locked up for a few years.  I pray the Browns can sign him, Sheard and Cameron before training camp.

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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:44 AM

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I posed this question a few months ago and everyone seemed to be against the idea of signing him to a new deal. I still see it as a low-risk, high-reward proposition. Worst case we lose a little bit of cap room. If the braintrust believes he's the guy, the extension makes perfect sense.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:45 AM

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Hoyer’s agent (reiterating): “We’re always open to talking with the #Browns, but we’re content to wait and see what happens down the road.”

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