#4 ain't bad.

Beal? Barnes? It's gotta be one of those two, right? Who else is worthwhile?

~Nabs

GatorNation4Lyfe wrote:

Kerrfor3 wrote: Who do you prefer? MKG or Beal? I keep going back and forth. I guess if we get one of them we should be all right.

What's up with the nerdy Steve Urkel glasses by our entire Cav contingent?

They were for good luck. Should of wore Oakleys.

#1 is New Orleans, #2 is Charlotte, #3 is Washington

Charlotte got boned.

#4 is fine, Beal or Barnes and call it a day.

Bdahweez wrote: Heather Cox....would you do her?

Did the Cavs get the 4th pick?

We're gonna get a good player at 4. Just praying the Cavs do better after the lotto than they did last year.

Either Beal or MKG will be available at 4, more likely to be Beal.  Between Charlotte and Washington they will take 2 of the 3 of Drummond, MKG and Robinson, IMO.  Charlotte's best player is a SG and doesn't really have the size to slide over to SF.  I don't see Washington going Beal either with Jordan Crawford in the fold.

Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Moving up or down in the draft happens in football all the time, however I can't remember the last time a basketball team traded up or down in the draft. Anyone know?

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

I'd rather take Beal, KG, or Barnes at #4 and try to trade #24 and a 2nd rounder to move up and take Meyers Leonard.  No interest in Melo.

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JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Moving up or down in the draft happens in football all the time, however I can't remember the last time a basketball team traded up or down in the draft. Anyone know?

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Last time I can think was the webber and penny swap.

I do think we have the assets to move up - if they wanted Davis bad enough. Frankly I think it would be worth it. No way do they bring 4 rookies to camp - davis is just wishful thinking.
Btw what is the deal with bojan bogandivch? Ever going to come stateside? Great dirty player over in Europe that will look good in the wine and gold....

JB:

I do think we have the assets to move up - if they wanted Davis bad enough. Frankly I think it would be worth it. No way do they bring 4 rookies to camp - davis is just wishful thinking.

AA:

The Cavs don't have the assets to move up to #1.  They'd have to give away all their picks plus Varejao... and even Charlotte might turn that down.

See no problem with bringing three rookies to camp.  They may use two of their picks to move up a scootch if they have someone in mind.

The reality is that unless Triston takes a giant leap forward we will probably still be a lotto team next year. Especially if they decide AJ's scoring is not needed.

We need a guy that can fill it up.

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

Again Davis is not the type of player that isb going to turn the fortunes of av franchise around in a year or two years....ie Dwight Howard, Shaq, LeQuit, etc......he is not woth that kind of package!!!

I think Davis will be a game changer if he stay's healthy. The guy controls the paint. He set all types of records in the SEC (ahead of Shaq BTW) and just disrupts inside. Sure he's a little light in the britches but he will put on weight eventually but it's his wing span and high motor that can take over a game without scoring. Davis is the real deal. His offense is legit, he's a good shooter, he shot most UK's free throws.

I think he turns NOH around immediately. If healthy, they are a playoff team for sure. he is that good...

blkmagic00 wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

Again Davis is not the type of player that isb going to turn the fortunes of av franchise around in a year or two years....ie Dwight Howard, Shaq, LeQuit, etc......he is not woth that kind of package!!!

You do that deal in a heatbeat.  Sure the sheer number of assets you are trading sounds like a lot, but it's really not.  First off, Andy is gone either this year or next because of his age.  He won't be here when we win anyway.  The late 1st round and 2nd round picks are really not worth that much.  They're crapshoots anyway.  A future #1 (can't be next year's) should be no higher than a mid-first round pick, which most years is also a crapshoot.  The only thing of large value in this deal is this year's current #4 overall pick, which you obviously need to include.

Varejeo and 3 of the 4 picks are depth assets.  You don't worry about giving those up if you can get an All-Star quality player.

DawgEatDawg wrote:

blkmagic00 wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

Again Davis is not the type of player that isb going to turn the fortunes of av franchise around in a year or two years....ie Dwight Howard, Shaq, LeQuit, etc......he is not woth that kind of package!!!

You do that deal in a heatbeat.  Sure the sheer number of assets you are trading sounds like a lot, but it's really not.  First off, Andy is gone either this year or next because of his age.  He won't be here when we win anyway.  The late 1st round and 2nd round picks are really not worth that much.  They're crapshoots anyway.  A future #1 (can't be next year's) should be no higher than a mid-first round pick, which most years is also a crapshoot.  The only thing of large value in this deal is this year's current #4 overall pick, which you obviously need to include.

Varejeo and 3 of the 4 picks are depth assets.  You don't worry about giving those up if you can get an All-Star quality player.

I'll defer to you guys on this one but I don't see that "dominating" player in the paint that everybody else sees. I think he's a really good player......but a franchise type player? I just don't see it!!!

blkmagic00 wrote:

I'll defer to you guys on this one but I don't see that "dominating" player in the paint that everybody else sees. I think he's a really good player......but a franchise type player? I just don't see it!!!

I don't know, but close to 5 blocks and over 10 rebounds per game while still managing to average over 14 points per game on a team where everyone has to share the shots because everyone is going to the NBA sounds prettty dominating to me.  Plus, if you use the eye test and just watched the ridiculous areas of the court he was able to block shots from (including outside the 3 point arc), he gave a lot of people visions of Russell.  Now, add the fact that he was a freaking shooting guard in high school, and you have to believe that his offensive game will respond to the requirements of the NBA.

DawgEatDawg wrote:

blkmagic00 wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

JackTBurton wrote: Could they package the 4th and assets to move up to get a targeted player? Think you can wheel and deal Andy, our 4th, next years 1, our additional 1st this year and our first 2nd round this year with New Orleans? Would they entertain that for Davis? I could see them being über aggressive come draft day.
Any flexibility with moving up guys? Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't want Davis THAT bad.  Plus, you can't trade 2 consecutive 1st rounders

Again Davis is not the type of player that isb going to turn the fortunes of av franchise around in a year or two years....ie Dwight Howard, Shaq, LeQuit, etc......he is not woth that kind of package!!!

You do that deal in a heatbeat.  Sure the sheer number of assets you are trading sounds like a lot, but it's really not.  First off, Andy is gone either this year or next because of his age.  He won't be here when we win anyway.  The late 1st round and 2nd round picks are really not worth that much.  They're crapshoots anyway.  A future #1 (can't be next year's) should be no higher than a mid-first round pick, which most years is also a crapshoot.  The only thing of large value in this deal is this year's current #4 overall pick, which you obviously need to include.

Varejeo and 3 of the 4 picks are depth assets.  You don't worry about giving those up if you can get an All-Star quality player.

Absolutely correct.  If you can get an All-Star Quality Player.  Anthony Davis is not.  He is a PROJECTED All-Star Quality Player

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

Absolutely correct.  If you can get an All-Star Quality Player.  Anthony Davis is not.  He is a PROJECTED All-Star Quality Player

Well, yeah, you have to have faith in your scouting.  You either feel he would be an All Star for you or you don't.  Even players who ARE All Stars may not be for a new team.  I believe the fans in New York are dealing with that particular issue right now.  Everything in life is a gamble, and I still feel Davis is pretty close to a sure thing even though I know there are no such things as a sure things.

He sure is going to be fun to watch. Kind of unique in that most with his frame play much slower. I do think in two years that he is more Duncan than Amarie. Franchise player? You bet. Perennial all star. He's just not a bruiser like we typically think of when we think of owning the paint. Freakin Kareem with handle. But he'll need a couple years.

DawgEatDawg wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

Absolutely correct.  If you can get an All-Star Quality Player.  Anthony Davis is not.  He is a PROJECTED All-Star Quality Player

Well, yeah, you have to have faith in your scouting.  You either feel he would be an All Star for you or you don't.  Even players who ARE All Stars may not be for a new team.  I believe the fans in New York are dealing with that particular issue right now.  Everything in life is a gamble, and I still feel Davis is pretty close to a sure thing even though I know there are no such things as a sure things.

I guess my point is that, in my opinion, it's way too much to give up for a guy who hasn't stepped on an NBA floor.  At least former All-Stars have an NBA track record.

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

DawgEatDawg wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

Absolutely correct.  If you can get an All-Star Quality Player.  Anthony Davis is not.  He is a PROJECTED All-Star Quality Player

Well, yeah, you have to have faith in your scouting.  You either feel he would be an All Star for you or you don't.  Even players who ARE All Stars may not be for a new team.  I believe the fans in New York are dealing with that particular issue right now.  Everything in life is a gamble, and I still feel Davis is pretty close to a sure thing even though I know there are no such things as a sure things.

I guess my point is that, in my opinion, it's way too much to give up for a guy who hasn't stepped on an NBA floor.  At least former All-Stars have an NBA track record.

Whether or not he has stepped on an NBA floor is irrelevant.  My guess is you wouldn't think this was too much to give up for "The Chosen One" if we had failed to secure the #1 pick back a few years ago.  Which means somewhere between Andre Bargnani and LeBum James there is a level of talent for an NBA-unproven #1 draft pick for whom you would make this trade.  It's just a matter of whether you or I (or more importantly Chris Grant) thinks Davis is at that level.  I do.

Yes you trade the 4th, this year 1st, and next year first for Davis.

This will make us an instant contender in 2 years. Players will want to come here to play along side Irving, and Davis imho. But no way NO trades Davis, who will be a starting C/PF in All-Star games for the next decade.

Anywayas with the 4th I think we can still be lucky enough to draft Beal.

I think Washington will draft Drummond.

DawgEatDawg wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

DawgEatDawg wrote:

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

Absolutely correct.  If you can get an All-Star Quality Player.  Anthony Davis is not.  He is a PROJECTED All-Star Quality Player

Well, yeah, you have to have faith in your scouting.  You either feel he would be an All Star for you or you don't.  Even players who ARE All Stars may not be for a new team.  I believe the fans in New York are dealing with that particular issue right now.  Everything in life is a gamble, and I still feel Davis is pretty close to a sure thing even though I know there are no such things as a sure things.

I guess my point is that, in my opinion, it's way too much to give up for a guy who hasn't stepped on an NBA floor.  At least former All-Stars have an NBA track record.

Whether or not he has stepped on an NBA floor is irrelevant.  My guess is you wouldn't think this was too much to give up for "The Chosen One" if we had failed to secure the #1 pick back a few years ago.  Which means somewhere between Andre Bargnani and LeBum James there is a level of talent for an NBA-unproven #1 draft pick for whom you would make this trade.  It's just a matter of whether you or I (or more importantly Chris Grant) thinks Davis is at that level.  I do.

If it were irrelevant, Adam Morrison wouldn't be watching NBA games from his couch right now.  Your assumptions about me are flat out wrong.  I wouldn't have taken that risk.  Even for Lebron.  If we were picking 4th in that draft, we would have ended up with a choice of Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade and kept our future draft picks.  If we were a team that was close and had some nice pieces picking in the 8-12 range, I'd make that trade in a second.  The fact is that, in my opinion, the cupboard is entirely too bare to be giving away all of our draft picks for one unproven player.

You're right.  It doesn't matter what you or I think about the subject.  I'm simply stating my opinion.  I am, and continue to, use the caveat "in my opinion".  I'm not attacking you for your opinion, I apologize if I came off that way.  I don't think your opinion is wrong, I just don't happen to agree with it.

^^^OhioRN - I understand your point of view but it really depends on how sold you are on the guy. You're obviously not sold on him yet. It's all a risk on taking these kids but you try to calculate the risk/reward and try to buy when their stock is at it's lowest. If you're going to get Davis, you better try and get him now versus once he becomes a perennial all star. He could bust out but for most bottom feeding teams it won't matter if he did anyway.

I personally was sold on Lebron when he was in the 10th grade. I knew he would be a dominant player years into the league. A good friend of mine was more sold on Carmelo because of his college experience. People all think differently. One guy falls in love the moment he sees his future wife. Another guy needs to watch and observe for a while.

There's only 2 guys in this draft that I'm confident will be superstars if healthy. Davis and Beal... I'd trade future picks and multiple role players to get either. But then again, I'm sold already.