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Posted: 3/9/2012 6:04 PM
Trade Deadline Rumors
No thread for this yet... anyway, here is a nugget from Ken Berger at CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/b...deadline-update
To summarize, Cavs aggressively seeking future assets for Antawn Jamison. Jamison is intrigued by the Lakers, intrigue is not mutual |
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Posted: 3/9/2012 7:05 PM
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I understand if the Lakers aren't interested in taking on any additional salary this year, but I think they're the contending team with the most use for Jamison (and Sessions for that matter). Their bench is pretty terrible, and Jamison could fill a void created by Odom's departure. Different style players, but LAL needs a guy capable of playing 3/4 spots.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 7:50 PM
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If they trade Pau, Jamison would be a reasonable replacement. No where near as good obviously.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 9:08 PM
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A couple months ago, I mentioned sending Jamison to the Lakers for Metta World Peace, Luke Walton and both of their 1st round picks. In a second trade, we could send Ramon Sessions to the Lakers for their TPE and a future 1st Round pick. The Cavaliers would be taking on $13.3M for next season, but could waive/buyout both guys.
Three 1st round picks for Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions and taking on as much as $13.3M.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 9:17 PM
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If the Lakers are serious about making a run for Dwight Howard, any trade with us giving up Jamison would likely have us getting either Gasol or Bynum back in the same deal. This begs the question, IF the Lakers would be willing to trade the Cavs Bynum, would you be willing to give up our 2012 1st round pick to do so? Something along the lines of: Jamison, Sessions, our 2012 1st round pick for Andrew Bynum and either Luke Walton, Metta World Peace or Steve Blake I know it's crazy and off the wall and not likely to happen, but Bynum would be better than any big man we could land in the draft. You go into next season with a lineup of: PG-Irving SG- Gee (whom I think is athletic enough to play SG and should be affordable to re-sign in the off-season) SF- Metta World Peace PF- Varejao C- Bynum Just a pipe dream. The only other scenario with the Lakers involving Jamison and Sessions would be for either Gasol and myabe one of their 1st rounders or for a package of 3 or 4 of their role players (think Metta, Walton, Blake and likely another player) and one of their 1st rounders. Personally if the Lakers are willing to put Bynum on the table in order to free up room to go after Dwight Howard in free agency, I give up our 2012 1st rounder and not think twice about it. Obviously I'm probably a little  for thinking this, but hey it's fun to dream right? |
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Posted: 3/9/2012 9:21 PM
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Dream away, my friend. But that sounds more like a nightmare to me.
Edit: I guess I should explain why.
WorldPeace would immediately want out. He'd never be on the Cleveland roster. That alone could shut the trade down. He wouldn't want anything to do with Cleveland, and I'd want nothing to do with him.
More importantly, I want nothing to do with Bynum. He's the 2nd best center, but that's not saying much in today's NBA. With his yearly injuries and his inability to take over games, no thanks. I'd rather sit pretty and dream of getting a top 5 pick that potentially is a difference maker.
Last edited 3/9/2012 9:36 PM by CASHdog296
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Posted: 3/9/2012 10:31 PM
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CASHdog296 wrote: Dream away, my friend. But that sounds more like a nightmare to me.
Edit: I guess I should explain why.
WorldPeace would immediately want out. He'd never be on the Cleveland roster. That alone could shut the trade down. He wouldn't want anything to do with Cleveland, and I'd want nothing to do with him.
More importantly, I want nothing to do with Bynum. He's the 2nd best center, but that's not saying much in today's NBA. With his yearly injuries and his inability to take over games, no thanks. I'd rather sit pretty and dream of getting a top 5 pick that potentially is a difference maker. If anything Metta World Peace could be bought out of his contract if he becomes a problem. Not only that, but if he's not happy in Cleveland, he can opt out of his contract at the end of the season (2012-2013 is a PLAYER option year for him). As for Bynum, he averages 15-17 points per game as his team's 3rd best option on 12 shot attempts per night. Jamison gets 17 shot attempts per night. Give Bynum, the share of the Cavs shot attempts that Jamison is getting right now and he likely averages 20 per game. Add that to the 9-11 rebounds and 2 blocks per night and you will NOT find a 7 footer in this upcoming draft that is capable of those numbers. Oh yeah and Bynum is still only 24 years old and has not reached his prime yet. There are no potential difference makers in this years draft. There are some All-Star caliber players, but there are no difference makers. Bynum is a difference maker as he impacts the game in several ways with his scoring, rebounding and defense. Yeah I know Bynum has had his injury issues, but he looks like he is finally over that and I still believe Bynum would be by far a lot better than anyone we could land with our 2012 1st round pick, which right now is actually projected to be 8th overall and assuming on who actually declares, you may not be getting a star player with that pick.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:28 PM
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Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen
Last edited 3/10/2012 3:29 PM by OhioRaiderNation
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:54 PM
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OhioRaiderNation wrote: Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen Hopefully a team that does not keep winning when they should not be like a certain young team I know and care much for...you should be able to figure out who I am talking about. |
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:52 PM
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OhioRaiderNation wrote: Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen I'm very prepared to catch flak for this, but I'd prefer taking a run at Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee and having the Wizards pick come with him for Jamison. I don't think it's Washington that he's talking about, though. I could see Utah being the team.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 8:14 PM
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If it's Utah, what would it be? Sessions for Harris + Lottery Pick? adphilli wrote:
OhioRaiderNation wrote: Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen I'm very prepared to catch flak for this, but I'd prefer taking a run at Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee and having the Wizards pick come with him for Jamison.
I don't think it's Washington that he's talking about, though. I could see Utah being the team. |
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Posted: 3/10/2012 9:36 PM
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Personally I don't know why the Wizards would simply give away their pick to move Rashard Lewis, when they could simply amnesty Lewis to solve that problem as well. I highly doubt it's Washington.
As for Utah, it's a possibility, but if they were to get Sessions, there's a chance they squeak into the playoffs out West as the 7th or 8th seed. As it is their first round pick is projected to be the second lowest of the lottery picks putting it at 13th overall. If it's Utah, I'd rather have something a little more valuable than Devin Harris in return. They have a glut of big men with Jefferson, Millsap, Favors and Kanter. I doubt they move Jefferson or Kanter, but I wonder if they'd be up to moving Favors or Millsap instead?
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With Ricky Rubio out for the season, think maybe the T'Wolves would be interested in getting Sessions back? They are right in the thick of things out West. I know that they don't have a 2012 1st round pick, but could we get their 2013 1st rounder? Or what about a deal involving Michael Beasley or Wesley Johnson? Again just throwing some things out there.
Last edited 3/10/2012 10:57 PM by BrianBell
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Posted: 3/11/2012 12:37 AM
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OhioRaiderNation wrote: If it's Utah, what would it be? Sessions for Harris + Lottery Pick?
adphilli wrote:
OhioRaiderNation wrote: Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen I'm very prepared to catch flak for this, but I'd prefer taking a run at Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee and having the Wizards pick come with him for Jamison.
I don't think it's Washington that he's talking about, though. I could see Utah being the team. Looking back through the mock drafts, there could be a few options for getting someone's Lottery pick. --New Orleans has two picks (their own and Minnesota's) and are, supposedly, willing to move Emeka Okafor and resign Chris Kaman, along with Eric Gordon. Could they be willing to give the Minnesota pick with Okafor for Jamison (and maybe Sessions)? --New Jersey could be motivated to move a couple extra parts so clear extra cap room for Dwight Howard and Deron Williams. There were also rumors that New Jersey had interest in pairing Stephen Jackson with Deron Williams and Dwight Howard (D12 and Cap'n Jack are friends). The Cavaliers could help facilitate that and get their draft pick out of the deal. Maybe moving Jamison to Milwaukee, Jackson to New Jersey and Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Shawne Williams and Anthony Morrow coming to Cleveland, along with the Nets 1st round pick. --Sacramento could be frustrated taking on all these young players, and are not making much money as is. Could they want to part with John Salmons and Francisco Garcia? It'd save them more than a few million dollars to swap Jamison for those guys and a draft pick. --Utah could get under the cap if they can clear some combination of Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Devin Harris or Raja Bell. Devin Harris, Paul Millsap, Raja Bell and one of their Lottery picks for Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions works. --Phoenix could be motivated to shed some salary (Childress, Warrick, Dudley) to make the rebuilding cheaper? Those three guys get a boatload of cash over the next 4yrs, so a draft pick, or 3, would need to change hands. So there are plenty of possibilities. Some are more likely, or plausible, than others.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 8:45 AM
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BrianBell wrote:
CASHdog296 wrote: Dream away, my friend. But that sounds more like a nightmare to me.
Edit: I guess I should explain why.
WorldPeace would immediately want out. He'd never be on the Cleveland roster. That alone could shut the trade down. He wouldn't want anything to do with Cleveland, and I'd want nothing to do with him.
More importantly, I want nothing to do with Bynum. He's the 2nd best center, but that's not saying much in today's NBA. With his yearly injuries and his inability to take over games, no thanks. I'd rather sit pretty and dream of getting a top 5 pick that potentially is a difference maker. If anything Metta World Peace could be bought out of his contract if he becomes a problem. Not only that, but if he's not happy in Cleveland, he can opt out of his contract at the end of the season (2012-2013 is a PLAYER option year for him).
As for Bynum, he averages 15-17 points per game as his team's 3rd best option on 12 shot attempts per night. Jamison gets 17 shot attempts per night. Give Bynum, the share of the Cavs shot attempts that Jamison is getting right now and he likely averages 20 per game. Add that to the 9-11 rebounds and 2 blocks per night and you will NOT find a 7 footer in this upcoming draft that is capable of those numbers. Oh yeah and Bynum is still only 24 years old and has not reached his prime yet.
There are no potential difference makers in this years draft. There are some All-Star caliber players, but there are no difference makers. Bynum is a difference maker as he impacts the game in several ways with his scoring, rebounding and defense.
Yeah I know Bynum has had his injury issues, but he looks like he is finally over that and I still believe Bynum would be by far a lot better than anyone we could land with our 2012 1st round pick, which right now is actually projected to be 8th overall and assuming on who actually declares, you may not be getting a star player with that pick. Yeah, I would gladly give upn our pick to land Bynum. What are the odds we land a player of Bynums caliber between 6 and 9? buy out artest and be happy. Won't happen though :( |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:11 AM
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It would be to actually save cash and not just cap space. BrianBell wrote: Personally I don't know why the Wizards would simply give away their pick to move Rashard Lewis, when they could simply amnesty Lewis to solve that problem as well. I highly doubt it's Washington.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 12:44 PM
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A couple of interesting nuggets in this article... -Cavs offered to absorb Okafor for a draft pick and NO declined -Made an "aggressive offer" for Eric Gordon http://www.ohio.com/sports/cav...rce=twitterfeed |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:13 PM
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That part about Eric Gordon leads me to believe that our own pick is in play for a trade if we can get an young established All-Star caliber player in return because really and truthfully that is all the Cavs have of real value to get such a talent back and as I said up above in regards to Andrew Bynum, I would be all for the Cavs dealing their 2012 1st round pick for a young established talent.
Could be an interesting 4 days or it could be a really dull 4 days. In the end I'm hoping we can move Jamison and/or Sessions and even if all we get is a couple of late 1st rounders for them, it's better than them walking and the Cavs getting nothing.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:41 PM
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I understand that Jamison's contract may be tough to move, but if Sessions is still on this team Friday, it will be really disappointing BrianBell wrote:
Could be an interesting 4 days or it could be a really dull 4 days. In the end I'm hoping we can move Jamison and/or Sessions and even if all we get is a couple of late 1st rounders for them, it's better than them walking and the Cavs getting nothing. |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:12 PM
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OhioRaiderNation wrote: Sam Amico @ SamAmicoFSO
Not elaborating on Cavs at moment. But you should be able to figure it out. Working on deal for someone's lottery pick. That's all for now.
Tweet from Sam Amico... Anyone care to speculate? I have no basis behind this, but I'm going to say Rashard Lewis and their pick for Jamison + Salary Filler. With that said, I don't think it will happen That is EXACTLY the type of deal you want to make. Target teams like the Kings, Wizards, etc. that are bad and have some horrible contracts. Offer them huge salary relief in return for their draft pick. |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:36 PM
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An article from Bob Finnan... Highlights:
-Chances of a lottery pick or even a 1st rounder for Sessions are dwindling -Jamison wants to stay this season and it appears Cavs will oblige -Cavs have an open dialogue with Hawks about Marvin Williams. The talks have now started to include Josh Smith -Buyout of Jamison is unlikely http://www.news-herald.com/art...s/nh5215878.txt |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:41 PM
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Sam Amico is a hack. That is all.
"He stinks, and I don't like him."
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:32 PM
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With the amnesty allowance, expirings have even less value now. I always thought this expiring contract value was overblown as the Cavs have had large expirings but could not always move them (i.e., Wally Z.'s contract). I see lots of rumors but little action this week. It's different now because teams won't give us its No. 1 and we no longer seek over the hill vets with big contracts to try to help for a playoff run (i.e., Jamison, Big Ben, Wally, etc.). Of course, I hope I'm wrong.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:55 PM
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All bad news. Can't move anyone and talking about Williams? Bleh! --------------------------------------------- --- OhioRaiderNation wrote: An article from Bob Finnan... Highlights:
-Chances of a lottery pick or even a 1st rounder for Sessions are dwindling -Jamison wants to stay this season and it appears Cavs will oblige -Cavs have an open dialogue with Hawks about Marvin Williams. The talks have now started to include Josh Smith -Buyout of Jamison is unlikely www.news-herald.com/art...s/nh5215878.txt--------------------------------------------- "There are two sides to every argument.....the wrong one and mine".Benjamin Franklin
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Posted: 3/13/2012 12:40 AM
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MuskieBuck wrote: All bad news. Can't move anyone and talking about Williams? Bleh!
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--- OhioRaiderNation wrote:
An article from Bob Finnan...
Highlights:
-Chances of a lottery pick or even a 1st rounder for Sessions are dwindling
-Jamison wants to stay this season and it appears Cavs will oblige
-Cavs have an open dialogue with Hawks about Marvin Williams. The talks have now started to include Josh Smith
-Buyout of Jamison is unlikely
www.news-herald.com/art...s/nh5215878.txt
--------------------------------------------- I'm not buying it. I think all smokescreen. No GM is going to be honest at this point, days before the trading deadline. The Cavs have been excellent in the past at keeping talks secret--surprising many at the end. The Cavs do have assets that are coveted and needed by other teams, and we also have cap room. Top teams seek talent--the LeBron Cavs even gave up a #1 for Juri Welsch!! The cap room we have is big because, although teams can amnesty a player and get that player off the cap, the team still has to pay the player. The Cavs can--and Gilbert has shown--that he will take on a bad salary. Money talks and I can't believe there aren't a few desperate teams out there that want to make tens of millions of dollars (by having Dan take a bad contract off their hands). If the Cavs wanted to make the playoffs this year, they would not have traded the bearded one, otherwise, why amnesty him? Grant knows the problems with being a 8th seed in a deep draft--means you did not get your best chance at talent, a problem they must know if simply rehasing the LeBron years. While I thought nothing would get done, I now think, given the above and Dan's propensity to be willing to take on bad contracts for draft picks, something good will happen. |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 1:53 AM
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My bet is on Sessions going to the Lakers for their late first round pick. And that's it. Look out playoffs, here we come.  +  |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 10:03 AM
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The more I read, the more I think CLE will stand pat.  Misses the band moderately less. |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 11:00 AM
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Yeah. Just doesn't seem to be much chatter going this year.
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Posted: 3/13/2012 3:38 PM
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Lakers stepping up efforts for Sessions. Lakers revisiting pursuit of Cavs’ Sessions – Blog Sports OhioLakers revisiting pursuit of Cavs’ Sessions By Sam Amico The Los Angeles Lakers are stepping up their efforts to trade for Cavaliers point guard Ramon Sessions, multiple Western Conference sources have told FOX Sports Ohio. According to one source, the Lakers’ interest in Sessions appeared to peak around All-Star weekend, but dwindled quickly when they learned the Cavs’ wouldn’t budge from receiving a first-round draft pick in return. But after exploring the market for a point guard, “the Lakers are finding a deal for Sessions may be the best fit,” a source said. Other teams have called the Cavs about Sessions, but the Lakers are said to be the favorites. They have been hesitant to give up a first-round pick for him, however, because he can opt out of his contract at season‘s end. The Cavs are also content keeping Sessions if they don’t get a deal they like. Teams have until Thursday afternoon to make a trade, or will be forced to wait until the season ends. Sessions, 25, is averaging 10.6 points and 5.1 assists in just less than 25 minutes per game as Kyrie Irving’s backup. “He’d be a big upgrade (for the Lakers) at point guard,” one source said. This entry was posted on March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 4:21 PM
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Unfortunately, the emergence of Jeremy Lin really hurt his trade value. I don't think there are any other serious suitors that see him as any more than a backup and will want to compensate the Cavs as such. If the Knicks and Lakers were both in pursuit, I have a feeling a deal would have already been done for a 1st round pick
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Posted: 3/13/2012 5:09 PM
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I think we are gonna get a first from LA for Sessions before all is said and done. I imagine we will see them give us the Dallas pick. That's kinda interesting. That could get us in a position to look at Vanderbilts Jeffery Taylor(SF) and Michigan State's Draymond Green.
I did some searching over on a Hawk forum. How do you guys feel about Josh Smith?
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