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Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

Posted: 2/26/2012 4:04 PM

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While it's quite possible that the 2012 Draft isn't as stacked as it was believed to be, the top players will still go at the top of the draft (in all likelihood). It'd be a good story to make the playoffs this year, but it'd be a detriment to the long-term success of this team if it were to happen. We need quality players on this team. There are three ways to acquire players (free agency, trade and draft) in the NBA. We all know how free agency has benefited the Cavaliers in the past. Trades require assets going out, and since we don't have any, we're stuck on that front, too. That leaves the draft. We can't pick between 12-18 and expect to find the gems of the draft every year. It's just not likely and shouldn't be counted on. We need top 5 picks--ESPECIALLY if the draft is lighter than originally thought.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 4:20 PM

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adphilli wrote: While it's quite possible that the 2012 Draft isn't as stacked as it was believed to be, the top players will still go at the top of the draft (in all likelihood). It'd be a good story to make the playoffs this year, but it'd be a detriment to the long-term success of this team if it were to happen. We need quality players on this team. There are three ways to acquire players (free agency, trade and draft) in the NBA. We all know how free agency has benefited the Cavaliers in the past. Trades require assets going out, and since we don't have any, we're stuck on that front, too. That leaves the draft. We can't pick between 12-18 and expect to find the gems of the draft every year. It's just not likely and shouldn't be counted on. We need top 5 picks--ESPECIALLY if the draft is lighter than originally thought.
But the problem is that right now, the Cavs are not likely to sniff the top 5 of this year's draft, otherwise I'd agree with you.  Right now the Cavs are playing well enough to hover in that 8-10 spot in the East.  Maybe that changes with either trading or buying out Jamison as well as a trade of Sessions, but will it make enough of a change for the Cavs to land a top 5 pick in the draft?  I really don't think so.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 8:08 PM

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adphilli wrote: While it's quite possible that the 2012 Draft isn't as stacked as it was believed to be, the top players will still go at the top of the draft (in all likelihood). It'd be a good story to make the playoffs this year, but it'd be a detriment to the long-term success of this team if it were to happen. We need quality players on this team. There are three ways to acquire players (free agency, trade and draft) in the NBA. We all know how free agency has benefited the Cavaliers in the past. Trades require assets going out, and since we don't have any, we're stuck on that front, too. That leaves the draft. We can't pick between 12-18 and expect to find the gems of the draft every year. It's just not likely and shouldn't be counted on. We need top 5 picks--ESPECIALLY if the draft is lighter than originally thought.
But the problem is that right now, the Cavs are not likely to sniff the top 5 of this year's draft, otherwise I'd agree with you.  Right now the Cavs are playing well enough to hover in that 8-10 spot in the East.  Maybe that changes with either trading or buying out Jamison as well as a trade of Sessions, but will it make enough of a change for the Cavs to land a top 5 pick in the draft?  I really don't think so.
I agree. Those changes aren't gonna happen with Kyrie Irving at PG. This team is only going to get better, week by week.

Not good for your Top 5 odds, but that's why you've got a front office. Personally, I like the way this team is playing right now and hope they continue at this pace.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 12:15 AM

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1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Harrison Barnes
4. Andre Drummond
5. Jeremy Lamb
6. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
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Posted: 2/27/2012 12:30 AM

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My 3rd favorite SF (after Harrison Barnes and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist) prospect this year:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Pros pect-of-the-Week-Quincy-Miller-3857

NBA Draft Prospect of the Week: Quincy Miller by: Walker Beeken - College Basketball Scout February 24, 2012 With the size of a power forward but the skill-set of a guard, Quincy Miller is one of the most versatile scorers in college basketball. How might that translate to the NBA?

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After establishing himself as one of the premier players in the nation in the high school class of 2011, Baylor's Quincy Miller tore his ACL in December of senior year and missed the remainder of the season and all of the all-star games in the spring.

Despite this setback, the Chicago native still entered college with the expectations of a top recruit, and so far he's done a solid job, emerging as a key member for a 23-5 Baylor squad, including some big games displaying his versatility as a scorer.

Miller has been fairly inconsistent, being held scoreless one game (such as this past Monday at Texas) and going off for 29 points against one of the top teams in college basketball (Missouri late January) in another.

Miller's intrigue from an NBA standpoint starts with the physical tools that he brings to the table, as he possesses great size for a small forward prospect at 6-9, with a wingspan reportedly measured (by Baylor) at 7-4.

His wiry, under-developed frame does not look NBA-ready at this stage, but considering the fact that he turned 19 only a few months ago (November), he should continue to fill out in time.

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While he isn't the most dynamic athlete and looks to still be getting some of his explosiveness back from his knee injury, he moves very fluidly for a player his size, looking comfortable playing on the perimeter on both ends of the floor.

On top of his physical tools, Miller has a very high skill level for a player at his age and size, most notably his versatility as a scorer.

Coach Scott Drew utilizes him in a variety of ways and has him catching the ball in different areas of the floor off of screens, cuts, spotting up, posting up, or creating for himself in isolation sets or on the fast break.

Miller has shown flashes of being effective in each of these areas and has great potential for growth offensively as he continues to get stronger and more experienced.

This versatility is something that can surely be harnessed in the NBA, which is heavily oriented around exploiting mismatches at different positions. With Miller's ability to create his own shot on the perimeter, make 3-pointers or utilize his superior size in the paint, he could be a very difficult player to game-plan against on a nightly basis, especially considering his solid passing skills.

As a shooter, Miller has been very good for the most part, knocking down a solid 43% of his jumpers so far this season, including an impressive 41% from 3-point range, despite a low, unorthodox release, dipping the ball below his waist and shooting it from above his chest. He's much more effective shooting the ball with his feet set at this stage, as his percentages take a dip when he forced to take a shot under duress, particularly off the dribble.

Quickening the speed of his release would allow him to fully utilize his excellent size and make him much more dangerous from the perimeter considering his terrific touch and instincts as a shot-maker.

Inside the paint, Miller has excellent potential, as he is able to get his shot off almost whenever he wants against collegiate-sized (or even most NBA-sized) small forwards. Despite not always having the strength to establish great position, he can simply rise up off either shoulder and throw the ball in the basket in a variety of ways, be it with jump-hooks, floaters and turnaround jumpers, using the glass, and even when off-balance. As he continues to get stronger and learns to become more physical with opponents, this is a part of his game that could really blossom.

Miller's most impressive attribute might be his ability to create shots off the dribble. He doesn't have the most explosive first step, but he has outstanding scoring instincts, doing a nice job utilizing shot fakes and showing terrific ball-handling skills for a player at 6-9. He's able to put the ball on the floor with either hand and utilize crossovers, hesitations, spin moves, jukes, and step-back dribbles to create separation to get his shot off, with superb body control and very polished footwork.

Watching him grab a rebound and take the ball coast to coast, weaving his way fluidly in and out of traffic, really hammers home how unique his skill-level is at his size.

His lack of strength is apparent as he's attacking the basket, however, as he's often bumped off his path and has trouble finishing in the paint due to his slight frame and average explosiveness. This is evidenced by the fact the he converts less than 50% on his shot attempts inside the arc, ranking him towards the bottom of the small forward prospects in our top 100 rankings.

It will be interesting to see how much more explosive he will get over time considering he's only about 15 months removed from tearing his ACL in December of 2010. This is an injury which at times can take up to 18 months to fully recover from, especially for players lacking in lower body strength, which Miller clearly is. Watching him play, he appears to be still moving gingerly at times, even with a slight limp, which is something teams will surely want to take a closer look at during the pre-draft process.

Defensively, it's tough to get a great gauge on Miller as a man-to-man defender, since Baylor uses a zone as their primary defense. It appears that he'll have quite a bit of work to do, however, as his defensive fundamentals seem to be lacking, as he struggles to get in a low stance on the perimeter and has below average lateral quickness for his position.

Additionally, his focus and energy level are inconsistent, as he doesn't seem to bring the same intensity level from possession to possession, which was clearly an issue for him already in high school. He'll need to improve his toughness, particularly in terms of fighting his way through screens, something that getting stronger will likely help with.

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What's intriguing about Miller is he clearly has the potential to be very dangerous on this end of the floor, with his excellent size and length at the small forward position. His 7-4 wingspan enables him to contest opponents' shots even from a half step away from his man, giving him a cushion to take away driving angles.

Even when he gets beat he's often agile enough to still put himself in position to make a play at the rim, helping him get plenty of blocks, steals and rebounds due to his sheer length and anticipation skills.

Regardless of how he progresses with his athleticism, Miller clearly has some attributes that will make him very attractive to NBA decision-makers with his high skill level and scoring ability to go along with his excellent size and length at the small forward position.

His under-developed frame may limit how quickly he'd be able to immediately contribute at the NBA level, but, barring any long-term injury concerns, he has a terrific upside to grow into as he continues to put on strength, improve on the defensive end, and adds polish offensively.

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Posted: 2/27/2012 8:28 AM

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I am really like Quincy. Loads of potential and may be available when we pick, at a position of need.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 2:01 AM

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I'm surprised anthony davis is a consensus number one pick. Am i missing something? I just don't see him as a go-to talent. I guess neither was okafor or howard either.

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Posted: 2/28/2012 11:28 AM

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oasis05 wrote: I'm surprised anthony davis is a consensus number one pick. Am i missing something? I just don't see him as a go-to talent. I guess neither was okafor or howard either.
If Marcus Camby can be drafted no. 2.overall (after Allen Iverson), then I understand how Anthony Davis will be no. 1 overall this year.  However, Andre Drummond is raising his play lately (he played great against Fab Melo & Syracuse), so Davis might have some competition to see which project player gets drafted at no. 1.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 6:50 PM

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I would be surprised if Drummond passed Davis up as the #1 pick but it only takes one team
edgy1 wrote:
oasis05 wrote: I'm surprised anthony davis is a consensus number one pick. Am i missing something? I just don't see him as a go-to talent. I guess neither was okafor or howard either.
If Marcus Camby can be drafted no. 2.overall (after Allen Iverson), then I understand how Anthony Davis will be no. 1 overall this year.  However, Andre Drummond is raising his play lately (he played great against Fab Melo & Syracuse), so Davis might have some competition to see which project player gets drafted at no. 1.
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Posted: 2/29/2012 7:26 AM

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Of the players in the potential top 14 lottery picks on Chad Ford's big board, there are 6 that I would be completely disappointed if the Cavs draft...Thomas Robinson, Jared Sullinger, Cody & Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard, & Damian Lillard.  However, It is going to be interesting to see which of these underclassmen actually declare for the draft.  Last year several players stayed in school, despite their lottery projections.
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Posted: 2/29/2012 8:40 PM

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Another name to keep an eye on is Alex Len of Maryland. He's big and raw, but he's shown some really good skill. He has a good faceup game, and a jumpshot out to 18ft. He's a freshman, so he's still a bit weak, but he shows good effort on defense down low. He contends shots, gives effort for rebounds, has good mobility. IF he comes out, he's another player to look at. He'd make a good compliment, at least in skills, to Tristan Thompson. He's a more athletic version of Brook Lopez.
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Posted: 2/29/2012 11:08 PM

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Cavs are beggining to free fall playing tougher teams. Look for them to wind up with a bottom five record, so I'll assume they will pick one of the top five players, which I am fine with.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 7:27 AM

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adphilli wrote: Another name to keep an eye on is Alex Len of Maryland. He's big and raw, but he's shown some really good skill. He has a good faceup game, and a jumpshot out to 18ft. He's a freshman, so he's still a bit weak, but he shows good effort on defense down low. He contends shots, gives effort for rebounds, has good mobility. IF he comes out, he's another player to look at. He'd make a good compliment, at least in skills, to Tristan Thompson. He's a more athletic version of Brook Lopez.
It would not surprise me if the Cavs make a run at actually signing Brook Lopez this summer.  He will be a restricted free agent, and the Cavs will have the cap space.  If the Cavs do not pick up the team option on Gibson, then they actually will only have 6 players under contract entering this offseason.  While Lopez is no franchise player, young 20ppg centers are hard to find.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 7:53 AM

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I doubt we could snag lopez, but it would make for a nice line up if we could.

pg- irvin
sg- gee
sf- quincy miller?, caspi
pf- thompson, andy, samuels
c- lopez, erden
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Posted: 3/1/2012 8:18 AM

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It will not surprise me if Lopez gets a max-type deal offer from someone.  Last summer's hefty restricted market price set by DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol might have set the bar.  

IMO, the only center prospect I would gamble on drafting this year is Andre Drummond.  It kills me to say that considering his inconsistencies this year, but his potential is undeniable.  He might indeed be 6;10", but he certainly has the size and athleticism to be a starting center in the NBA.

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Posted: 3/1/2012 10:45 PM

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edgy1 wrote: It would not surprise me if the Cavs make a run at actually signing Brook Lopez this summer.  He will be a restricted free agent, and the Cavs will have the cap space.  If the Cavs do not pick up the team option on Gibson, then they actually will only have 6 players under contract entering this offseason.  While Lopez is no franchise player, young 20ppg centers are hard to find.
I have NO interest in signing Brook Lopez to be the center for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Yes, he can score, but that's about all he can do. He's a poor rebounder, especially for being a 7-footer, he's a below-average defender, he's unathletic and slow-footed, he's not a quality pick-and-roll player (although he DOES do well in the pick-and-pop sets). Our best player needs someone that can play the pnr game. Lopez isn't equipped for that. He compliments Tristan offensively, but defensively, he's no better than Ryan Hollins. It'll take a VERY near-max deal to get him and it'd have to be AS SOON as free agency starts (in hopes that New Jersey is too occupied setting their sights on Dwight Howard for a few days), and he's not worth the effort. There are other centers I'd rather go after.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 10:56 PM

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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_ /id/7630611/the-story-baylor-bears-star-perry-jone s-iii-men-college-basketball

There's more to PJ3 than some realize

Family's struggles, high expectations weigh on Baylor's star forward.

By Jason King ESPN.com Archive

WACO, Texas -- He could be a multimillionaire in four months, but still, Perry Jones III can't help himself. Each time he walks off the court, the Baylor forward thinks the same thing. I wonder what they'll say this time.

A year ago, on a message board, Jones said someone called him the biggest underachiever in college basketball. A national sports columnist recently wrote that drafting the 6-foot-11 sophomore would "cost an NBA general manager his job."

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Kevin Jairaj/US Presswire Baylor's Perry Jones III has had a heavy burden to carry both on and off the court.

 

When Jones jogged through the tunnel at Kansas last month, a middle-aged man screamed at him in the concourse, calling him a "second-rounder" and a "[wussy]." Sensing a confrontation, teammate Quincy Acy pushed Jones back and walked toward the fan, who sprinted away. Basketball isn't always easy when you're tagged as a one-and-done player before puberty. "My heart goes out to him," Baylor coach Scott Drew said. "He gets judged on his potential instead of where he is now. If he wanted to be judged like an NBA player, he'd be in the NBA."

Instead, at least for a few more months, Jones remains in Waco. The 20-year-old cartoon fanatic who loves to play paintball returned for his sophomore season because he realized he lacked maturity. Before turning pro, Jones said he "wanted to become a man." The past month has certainly been a test. Jones is averaging 13.2 points and 7.3 rebounds for the 25-5 Bears. But he's scored just 5.3 points per game and shot 27 percent from the field in Baylor's past four losses, three of which came against top-10 teams.

Jones tries to stay upbeat, but it's difficult. When Baylor loses, he said the criticism "goes through the roof" on Twitter -- the bathroom walls of the Internet. "I can't get on there without hearing about how soft I am," Jones said.

Two weeks ago, when Jones tweeted about his excitement over earning a B on an English paper, a "fan" responded that he should quit worrying about his grades and get back in the gym.

Less than a year removed from braces and acne medicine, Jones shakes his head. Last season he said he would've responded to such a comment.

"But now I'm more mature," Jones said. "I realize I don't even know who these people are. "And they definitely don't know anything about me."

That's what frustrates Jones' inner circle. Everyone thinks they know PJ3, as he's called by his friends, but the perceptions are far from true. The people who believe he was getting money from Baylor during high school might feel differently if they knew Jones was homeless -- bouncing from one $95-a-week hotel room to another -- throughout much of his final prep season.

Those who wonder why he picked the Bears over a national power such as North Carolina or Kansas might understand if they knew that Jones' 40-year-old mother, Terri, was battling a severe heart condition -- she may need a transplant -- 90 minutes away near Dallas.

And anyone who questions Jones' mettle obviously forgets that he passed up an opportunity to be a top-5 NBA draft pick last summer because he didn't feel he was ready. If it isn't tough to know who you are and turn down millions, what is? Perry Jones is soft, they say? His story suggests he's anything but.

Jones begins his tale and then stops.

"This is stuff," he says, "that I've never told anyone before."


Tipoff for Baylor's Big 12 tournament game against Oklahoma last spring was less than two hours away. As Terri Jones and her husband, Perry Sr., dressed in their hotel room in downtown Kansas City, Mo., a message scrolled across the bottom of the television screen. "Baylor forward Perry Jones III has been suspended for the remainder of the season for accepting impermissible benefits," it read.

Their stomachs turned. Even though he had done nothing wrong, the Jones' knew their son's image could be tarnished. Terri Jones remained in her room that evening, fearful that the stress would cause problems with her already fragile heart.

When she saw Perry a week later, he had lost eight pounds. "He couldn't eat," Terri said. "He was just so hurt. All these people had this negative impression of him, but they didn't know what really happened."

The last thing anyone had ever questioned about Jones was his character. Whether it was in the classroom, on the basketball court or at home in the family living room, Jones had always been an example-setter. He was an honor roll student and, when he wasn't in gym working to become a McDonald's All-American, Jones was usually helping raise his three younger brothers.

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Jamie Squire/Getty Images Jones was suspended last season for accepting impermissible benefits. But the story doesn't begin -- or end -- there.

Terri still remembers sitting in her car for 30 minutes after the school bell one day, wondering why her sixth-grade son was late. When Jones finally emerged through the doors, he was wearing a "Peer Mediator" badge. Turned out two girls had gotten into a fight, and Jones had sat both of them down to explain there were better ways to settle their problems. "He was so proud," Terri said, smiling. Jones credits his parents for his kind-hearted nature.

Perry Sr. worked long hours constructing and selling wooden pallets during his son's childhood. Terri was a cafeteria manager at an elementary school during the day. At night, she worked at LensCrafters in the local mall. Both said they never had to worry about Perry when they weren't around.

"He was a shy kid, but a respectful kid," Perry Sr. said. "He never gave us any trouble."

Things began to change, however, during Jones' senior year at Duncanville (Texas) High School. His grades slipped from A's and B's to B's and C's, and he had trouble focusing on the basketball court. When his teammates asked if they could come over after practice to play video games or watch a movie, Jones told them no every time.

"I had no choice," Jones said. "We didn't have a home."

Perry Sr.'s pallet business was struggling, and he had trouble finding other work. Terri's income wasn't enough to pay the four-figure mortgage on their Duncanville house, much less the bills that came along with it. Jones remembers the electricity being shut off on multiple occasions. Brutal as the Texas summers can be, they're unbearable without air conditioning. Eventually, each member of the Jones family packed a week's worth of clothes into a suitcase and placed the rest of their belongings in a storage shed.

For most of the school year, the Joneses rented cheap hotel rooms by the week. If they were lucky, there'd be two beds and a pull-out couch to accommodate six people. Instead of sharing a mattress with his brothers, there were a few times that Perry -- all 6 feet, 11 inches of him -- curled up and slept on the floor.

Jones had endured an identical situation during his eighth-grade year, when his family's home in Mesquite, Texas was foreclosed on, forcing the family into homelessness.

"I remember leaving one night to go to work one night during Perry's senior year," Terri said. "He and his brothers didn't have anything to eat, and they kept asking me for money so they could order a pizza while I was gone."

She wipes away a tear.

"I couldn't give them any," she said. "We had to save up for the rest of the week."

Most times, Jones said, dinner meant he and his brothers splitting a half-pack of hot dogs. Jones said he kept the situation a secret from his teachers, coaches and teammates at Duncanville as well as the staff at Baylor, where Jones had committed as a ninth-grader.

"Some people may have known something was wrong," Jones said. "The last thing I was worried about was school. I was worried about where I was going to sleep at night. It was hard to do the things I wanted to do as a kid. The last thing on my mind was going to parties or movies. I felt like I needed to get home every day to make sure my family was OK." At one point early in Jones' senior year, Terri Jones made a request that would ultimately result in her son's six-game suspension from Baylor. She asked Jones' AAU coach, Lawrence Johns, for three loans that would allow her to make mortgage payments so she could keep her family in its house and off the streets.

Terri Jones said the three payments -- which totaled $1,195 each -- were due on the fourth of each month. She said she repaid Johns once she received her paycheck on the 15th.

Jones, who began playing for Johns' AAU program in junior high school, knew nothing of the loans. But when the NCAA found out about them nearly two years later, during Jones' freshman season at Baylor, it was determined the family had received an impermissible benefit.

"I thought the NCAA was about helping kids," Johns said last week. "I'm still trying to figure out what made it so bad. She asked for the money, I loaned it to her and she paid me back. If that's truly breaking a rule then a lot of AAU coaches out there are going to be catching heat."

Instead, Jones was the one who felt the most backlash. Opposing fans and coaches had spent the previous two years questioning how Baylor -- which hasn't won a conference championship since 1945 -- was able to land a commitment from such a high-profile recruit. Now the assumption was that the school was orchestrating payments to Jones.

"If that were true, then we wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place," Perry Sr. said. "Even now, if they saw where we lived, they wouldn't say that."

Perry Sr. and his wife currently reside in a duplex in Lancaster, Texas, near Dallas. A year later, it's obvious the suspension still bothers Jones.

"Basically, I got suspended because we were struggling, and my mom didn't want us to live on the streets," he said. "We were down to nothing and someone helped us out. I always ask people, 'If you were in that situation, and you didn't have a place to stay, would you ask someone you'd known since the sixth grade for a little help?' Everyone knows they would."

Jones pauses.

"If my mom didn't take that money," he said, "I probably wouldn't even be at Baylor right now. I probably wouldn't be playing basketball at all. Because I was ready to do anything to make sure my mom and my family didn't have to live on the streets."

Jones is asked to clarify.

"I was ready to do anything to make sure we didn't have to live on the streets," he said.


His mom said -- and Jones confirmed -- that one Big 12 school offered him money. Another said it could arrange for jobs for family members and maybe even a new home. Through it all, Perry Jones -- still a teenager -- refused to budge, telling every recruiter who called that he would honor his commitment to Baylor. "There's got to be something we can do to get you to change your mind," Jones recalled one college coach saying.

Jones thought for a minute. "Can you get my mother a new heart?" he said.

It's been refreshing. It feels weird to actually have people care about me as a person. In the past all anyone has wanted to talk to me about is basketball. -- Perry Jones III, on his time at Baylor

Talk to Jones long enough, and it's obvious that he views Terri as more than just a mother. She's also his best friend. That's why, in some ways, the last seven years have been so painful.

Terri has dilated cardiomyopathy, a condition in which the heart becomes weakened and enlarged and cannot pump blood efficiently. Complications include shortness of breath, swelling in the feet and ankles and extreme fatigue and weakness.

Jones was in junior high school when Terri's condition began to worsen. These days doctors rarely allow her to fly to Baylor's road games because of the stress and strain a flight could cause on her heart. She tries to attend all of Perry's games in Waco, although at times she's had to watch from the disabled seating section atop her medical scooter.

No matter how bad of a day she may be having, Terri has maintained a positive attitude. She's taking online sociology courses in hopes of becoming a social worker. Last fall, when fans lined up outside of the Ferrell Center for Midnight Madness, Terri parked her scooter right in the middle of them and waited for the doors to open like everyone else. She wanted no preferential treatment just because her son is Baylor's star player.

"I'm just praying for my healing," said Terri, an evangelist and lay minister who teaches Sunday school and has preached sermons at God's Grace Holiness Church. "I don't want to have to go through a heart transplant."

Upbeat as she has been, Terri's situation has caused problems. She lost her job in the school cafeteria last spring after missing too many days of work. And as hard as it was, she agreed to let two of Perry's three younger brothers live with their grandmother because she didn't have the energy to care for them on her own. The boys, ages 13 and 15, are not Terri's biological children, but she had raised them since they were infants. "It's sad for her, depressing," Jones said. "You spend your whole life with someone, and then they're not there anymore."

Jones' relationship with his mother has strengthened during her illness. They text Bible verses back and forth to one another multiple times each week. And when the family goes to dinner after home games, Jones usually slips most of the stipend money he receives from Baylor into Terri's purse when she's not looking.

He said he looks forward to the day when he can help pay for the medical care Terri requires -- along with a new house with a working air-conditioning unit and a "refrigerator full of Dr Pepper."

"I'm sure he feels a lot of pressure," Terri said. "People have told him, 'If you go to the NBA, you can do such-and-such for your mom or your family. You can help their pain, and you won't ever have to worry about money again.'"

All indications were that Jones would've been a top-5 pick in the 2011 NBA draft had he chosen to leave Baylor after his freshman season. But when he hinted he was thinking about returning to school, Terri was quick to offer support.

"Don't worry about the money," she told him. "We can't miss what we've never had. It's your decision. If you want to stay, I'm behind you 100 percent."

Just as they did last spring, Jones' parents have tried to remain in the background when it comes to basketball. Perry Sr., a standout streetball player as a teenager growing up in Louisiana, texts words of encouragement and advice -- "take care of business," he usually writes -- before games. But for the most part they've left Jones' development up to his coaches.

And no coach has influenced Jones more than Johns.

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Duane Laverty/Waco Tribune-Herald Despite their financial struggles, Jones' parents supported their son's decision to return to school last spring.

The two met at Finish Line when Jones was in the sixth grade. He and his mother were shopping in the shoe store when Johns -- noticing Perry's height -- approached them and asked if Perry was interested in playing for his AAU team, the Timberwolves.

Within a year, Jones had become one of the team's biggest stars.

Johns said he made it his mission to help Jones improve as a player and also to help him "network." He made sure his team competed in all of the top AAU events around the country so that Jones could showcase himself in front of country's most prominent coaches. Although he was a bit taken aback when Jones committed to Baylor at age 15, Johns said he spent the next four years backing his protege on his decision.

"We got so much [trash talk] from other schools about Baylor," Johns said. "It was horrible. For four years, everywhere we went, people said, 'Why are you going there? Don't do it. You're making a mistake.'

"I went to bat for Baylor so many times. It was sad. Everyone came to me because they thought I had the power to change the boy's mind."

Perry Sr. and Terri appreciated Johns' efforts at the time, especially after he lent them the money to pay their mortgage. But lately a rift has developed between them.

Jones' parents said they've been told that Johns was given money to ensure that Jones showed up at high-profile camps and events during high school. Perry Sr. said Johns viewed his son as a ticket to "early retirement." And even though Terri maintains a semblance of a relationship with Johns, she said she feels taken advantage of.

"A lot of people told us to watch out for [Johns]," Terri said. "They said he was slick. At that time we didn't know anything about AAU basketball. We trusted him and let our guards down. We weren't thinking."

The family became even more incensed last spring when Johns told a reporter that Jones was likely leaving school to enter the NBA draft. At the time, Jones hadn't even discussed the issue with his parents. At the adidas Nations Experience in Chicago, Johns even told someone that he was Jones' biological father and legal guardian.

When word got back to Perry Sr., he nearly lost his cool.

"He was telling everyone that they needed to go through him to reach Perry, that he was his daddy," Perry Sr. said. "What he didn't realize was that one of the people he said that to was my brother."

Johns admitted to referring to Jones as his son, but he said the remark was made with good intentions.

"I said it to keep people away from him," Johns said. "Everyone has always tried to come after this kid from every direction. I was trying to look out for Perry. I was trying to protect him."


Shortly after making one of the biggest decisions of his life, Perry Jones III played paintball. The whole Baylor basketball team did.

Armed with his own, personal gun he'd purchased a few months earlier, Jones darted about the course in Waco, ducking behind barriers and firing pellets at his teammates -- and coaches. "He put his hands up and pretended like he was hit, which means you're out of the game," Drew said. "Then he walked behind all of us and blasted us. Those things leave welts!"

Through it all, Jones just cackled.

Basketball aside, this was why he came to Baylor. As much as they needed him, Jones needed the Bears, too. The school, the students and the fans have helped bring out the kid in Jones, the youthful side he compartmentalized for so many years.

A few hours before that paintball game, Jones had shocked his coaches and teammates when he announced his decision to bypass millions and return for his sophomore season. He said he wasn't mature enough, mentally or physically, to handle the rigors of the NBA. His game needed to develop, and his personality did, too.

One year later, Jones still marvels at the expressions he saw on everyone's face when he peered out into the crowd during that press conference.

"Everyone just looked so happy," Jones said. "I felt so wanted."

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Kevin Jairaj/US Presswire To the surprise of some, Jones has found a home at Baylor with coach Scott Drew.

Jones was like a piece of meat before he arrived at Baylor. AAU coaches and college recruiters and agents snipped at him from all directions. Everyone assumed Jones would use Waco as a one-year pit stop on the road to the NBA.

But once Jones got to college, he didn't want to leave.

Last season, after a victory, Jones joined a group of students for dinner and a movie. Not once was he asked about the game. Professors stopped him on campus and said how much they'd like to see him back in class the following year, and he and his teammates reminisced about the memories they'd made during the previous six months.

"Perry is coming alive," guard A.J. Walton said. "He's smiling and having fun. He's finding his roots instead of his leaves."

It may not be as big as Texas or tout the same tradition as Kentucky. But Baylor and its surging program were the right fit for Jones. He had sensed it four years earlier, when he told his mother on the drive home from an unofficial visit to Waco that he wanted to be a Bear.

"It's been refreshing," Jones said. "It feels weird to actually have people care about me as a person. In the past all anyone has wanted to talk to me about is basketball. "I'd been told I was one-and-done my whole life. The mindset was instilled in my head. There are still a few people who start sentences with, 'Once you're in the pros …' or 'When you get to the pros … ' I get tired of that. I'm not in the pros. I'm at Baylor right now. Let's talk about that."

Lately, the conversation hasn't been all that positive.

Jones is the top scorer and is tied for the team lead in rebounding for a Baylor team which has been ranked as high as No. 3 in the ESPN/USA Today coaches poll. But in his past seven games, Jones is averaging just 9.1 points while shooting 33 percent from the field.

Critics want Jones to be more assertive, especially when it comes to attacking the basket. He often shies away from contact and settles for outside jumpers when he could use his skill and athleticism to get into the paint.

"We need him to play big," said Acy, Jones' sidekick in the frontcourt. "We need him to be more aggressive."

However, Drew thinks Jones' best days are still ahead. "Getting tougher is a physical and mental thing," the coach said. "It's about competing every single possession and fighting and shoving and getting hit. It's about being a man. Thomas Robinson at Kansas is a man. Quincy Acy is a man.

"Perry is still young. He's getting stronger. When he's 26 or 28, that's when he's really going to be good. That's why the NBA is so in love with him. They know he's going to get better."


Despite his recent struggles, Jones is still projected as a top-10 pick in this summer's NBA draft. If Jones does decide to leave school, those close to him are confident that any questions about his toughness will be put to rest during individual workouts and scrimmages.

"He'll open everyone's eyes, trust me," Johns, the AAU coach, said. "I cringe when I hear people say he's soft. There's nothing soft about him. I'll go to my grave with that one."

Still, even though he doesn't talk to him as often, Johns can sense the burden on Jones' shoulders. He may be enjoying himself around his teammates and on Baylor's campus, but other pressures loom.

Johns said Jones doesn't seem to be "getting any better" and that he often looks preoccupied on the bench. He's certainly has a lot to ponder. Just as he's been all season, Jones knows he'll be one of the most scrutinized players in this season's NCAA tournament. If he catches fire, Baylor is a Final Four-caliber team. But the Bears could lose its first tourney game if Jones continues to struggle.

Even more important is the decision regarding the NBA that Jones will face once again. He'd like to come back to school, but Terri's condition has worsened. Some of the country's top physicians that specialize in her condition work at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles, Calif. Terri's local doctors have suggested she seek treatment there when possible, but plane flights and hotel rooms are expensive. Jones could certainly help defray the costs with his NBA paycheck.

"I don't think he's going to stay at Baylor another year," Terri said. "I think he's more ready than he was a year ago. Last year we never talked about making the transition to the NBA, but this year we've discussed it a couple of times. I still don't think he's made a decision, though."

Jones said he's "50-50" on whether he'll return to Baylor for another season. He'd love to spend another year in school, but he wants to be smart and do what's best for his future.

And his family's future, too.

"I call him 'Purgatory,'" Johns said. "He's caught between heaven and hell. He's trying to please his mom and dad. He's trying to be fair to me and he's trying to do what Coach Drew asks. He's torn. His game is suffering. He's got a lot on his mind. "Pretty soon he's going to come to a point where he has to draw a fork in the road and say, 'This is what I'm going to do. This is who I am.'"

Jason King covers college basketball for ESPN.com. Follow him on Twitter @JasonKingESPN.

 

 

This was an interesting read. It makes a few things make a bit more sense in regards to Perry Jones. I still want to see more from him, but I couldn't imagine focusing on playing basketball when my mom is deathly ill. Something I commend him for (as well as Harrison Barnes), was the decision to come back to college because he didn't feel mature enough to take on the NBA job. That decision speaks to his maturity. I read and heard many people talking poorly about both of those guys for coming back to school for those reasons. I heard things like, "if he doesn't want to be in the NBA, he's not the guy I want," and "he's obviously not competitive enough to succeed in the NBA if he doesn't want to get there at the first possible second." While that may be true for some, I think it speaks to these guys being quality individuals that understand how things work.

 

I still don't want Perry Jones with a top 5 pick. However, I'd welcome him, and his mom, to Cleveland (and the Cleveland Clinic for her) with something in the 7-12 range.

 

 


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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:40 PM

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Outstanding article, Adphilli. Thanks. I too immediately thought the same thing with his Mom and the Cleveland Clinic.

He's a guy that could very well slide on draft day, and someone with his upside we'd have to seriously consider at the mid-lower end portion of the lottery.

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Posted: 3/2/2012 2:16 PM

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So I finally got to watch some Kentucky. I gotta admit, I have an early fascination with Terrence Jones. He seems like the exact type of player the Cavs have been lacking at SF. He's long, athletic, can run, and plays defense. Don't know his upside as a pure shooter. So, what am I missing because for some reason I'm seeming him just outside of the lottery?

Futhermore, I think Doron Lamb has a lot of upside as well to possibly make him go a little higher than where he is ranked currently.

Oh and I know he is a tweener, but someone like Draymond Green would be a nice addition off the bench. He's not afraid to put the ball in the basket.

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SOBOdawg wrote: So I finally got to watch some Kentucky. I gotta admit, I have an early fascination with Terrence Jones. He seems like the exact type of player the Cavs have been lacking at SF. He's long, athletic, can run, and plays defense. Don't know his upside as a pure shooter. So, what am I missing because for some reason I'm seeming him just outside of the lottery?

Futhermore, I think Doron Lamb has a lot of upside as well to possibly make him go a little higher than where he is ranked currently.

Oh and I know he is a tweener, but someone like Draymond Green would be a nice addition off the bench. He's not afraid to put the ball in the basket.
Terrence Jones has a lot of Al Harrington in his future. I really don't see him being nearly athletic enough to play SF full time. He's not quite there mentally (as in he doesn't want to) to play PF full time. I see some combination of Al Harrington and Antawn Jamison when I see Terrence Jones. He has some games that make him look great, but he disappears quite a bit too. I stay away from Terrence Jones. He wouldn't even be the most desirable "Terence" in the draft (assuming Terence Ross comes out, too).

Doron Lamb could rise, depending on who comes out. He's a bit undersized for the SG spot, and isn't going to be a PG. I see him somewhere between Raja Bell and Delonte West. He'd be a good pickup between 20-35, but I don't think I'd take him much higher than that--depending on who comes out.

Draymond Green is a quality player. He's, absolutely, a tweener, but he could be a GOOD tweener (more versatile than tweener). He'd be a good combo forward off the bench. If he improves ball-handling and his shot, he could turn into what Josh Howard was in the first part of his career. I read that he's almost destined to be the first pick of the 2nd round. I can see that easily.
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SOBOdawg wrote: So I finally got to watch some Kentucky. I gotta admit, I have an early fascination with Terrence Jones. He seems like the exact type of player the Cavs have been lacking at SF. He's long, athletic, can run, and plays defense. Don't know his upside as a pure shooter. So, what am I missing because for some reason I'm seeming him just outside of the lottery?
Sobo - from Chad Ford at ESPn:

"Jones can get into the bad habit of floating around the perimeter. When he does, he looks a little like a more unfortunate comparison -- former UK alum Antoine Walker. Scouts love the talent, but are wary of his attitude and maturity. They need to see Jones play consistently well for 40 minutes a game every night."

"But Jones doesn't quite have the killer instinct or desire to take over games that scouts would like to see. He also proved to be very streaky as a freshman. In addition, Calipari has raised questions about Jones' work ethic and attitude."
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Just for conversation sake, what players have been consistently good at the college level and considered good character types that fit the needs for the Cavs? Realistic options that is.

Seems to me, and I don't follow the NBA draft nearly as closely as I once did, but that there seems to be a lot of "headcases" over the years entering the league. Maybe that's me being stererotypical or just downright naive.

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Wow.  Great read on Perry Jones.  If he can mentally get through that then basketball should come easy for him when he's got some cash for his parents.
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Posted: 3/2/2012 8:27 PM

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Good article on Perry Jones, I agree.  Frankly, the more I watch of him, the more I think the Baylor system really  limits him.  He really didn't do him any good staying in school, he's basically averaging the same numbers as last season, and has the exact same question marks.   He certainly plays "soft" at times, but don't want to write him off just yet.  With the right coaching,  in the NBA, I think PJ3 can be more of a combo forward in the mold of Josh Smith.
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Posted: 3/4/2012 8:31 PM

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He has been so inconsistent all year, but William Buford showed some serious pro skills today against Michigan State.  By no means am I spending a lottery pick on him, but a late 1st or early 2nd?  He'd be a value pick, IMO
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OhioRaiderNation wrote: He has been so inconsistent all year, but William Buford showed some serious pro skills today against Michigan State.  By no means am I spending a lottery pick on him, but a late 1st or early 2nd?  He'd be a value pick, IMO
I'd spend the Charlotte 2nd round pick on him (prefer getting him with our own, though), if we don't get a "2" earlier in the draft. I could see him being a Wesley Matthews kind of guy...or out of the League in 2yrs. I think he's Matt Carroll, at least.
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Absolutely
adphilli wrote:
OhioRaiderNation wrote: He has been so inconsistent all year, but William Buford showed some serious pro skills today against Michigan State.  By no means am I spending a lottery pick on him, but a late 1st or early 2nd?  He'd be a value pick, IMO
I'd spend the Charlotte 2nd round pick on him (prefer getting him with our own, though), if we don't get a "2" earlier in the draft. I could see him being a Wesley Matthews kind of guy...or out of the League in 2yrs. I think he's Matt Carroll, at least.
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I would not touch Buford with a ten foot pole. His inconsistency at the collegiate level gives me no confidence that he will be any better-and probably worse-in the NBA. Certainly he will not be a difference maker on this team. He lacks the athleticicme to keep defenses honest by driving to the basket. I look at him as an inconsistent "catch and shoot" SG.
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:55 AM

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Of the top likely picks only Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist intrigue me. Drummond has had an underwhelming season and looks to be an underperformer on the court even at the collegiate level. Slow footed, can't shoot FT's, unaggressive. Barns appears to be only a spot up shooter and has npot had the kind of second season folks expected from him. Davis is an incredibly long armed shot blocker, although i wuestion whether he can hold position in the paint in the NBA. The #8-9 pick Zeller from NC might be the best choice. Can run the court, shoot and block shots and it would allow us to trade AV for a good player or high draft choice.
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I'm not a fan of Wil Bufford as a pro.  He is way too erratic and is only an average athlete by NBA standards.  The wing player I like as a late 1st round/early 2nd round sleeper is Moe Harkless from St. Johns.  He is starting to get some hype now on a bad St. John's team.  He reminds me of Trevor Ariza as a pro.
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