4. Trent Richardson RB
We have our identity on offense.

22. Ryan Tannehill QB
This is obviously not going to happen, but I would be very excited.

31. (trade #37 & #67 for #31) Kendall Wright WR
had to trade up for Wright after he fell to the end of round #1. We got out triplets in this draft.

100. Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
Whew, got our RT even with trading our 3rd rounder.

118. Marvin Jones WR Cal
One of the few mid rounders that can play outside and inside. Really like Jones and Wright with Little.

132. Tank Carder LB TCU
Play specials early, can eventually start and replace Fujita.

164. AJ Jenkins WR Illinois
I know it isn't likely to take this many WR, but we should when there is value. We have so many picks, the more we can add to that position the better.

185. Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M.
Add depth to secondary and specials.

204. Ryan Steed CB Furman

205. Jacquise Smith DE Missouri

245.
247.

30 pack? This is a keg!

Good work SOBO, much appreciated!

SOBOdawg wrote:

Ignorantandstupid wrote: You really like Peter Konz. How would you compare him to Mack or Pouncey?

There are two things here...

1. I obviously think Konz is only a step behind DeCastro. And if it wasn't for a dislocated ankle late in the season (which he's already overcome), then he'd be higher on most boards. He's started from his red freshman year. And he shown the ability to legitimate start at center AND guard.

2. It's also good to note the rising value of interior lineman. I've never been on positional value, but it's hard to deny in this case for a position you NEVER saw going in round 1 earlier in the decade. Centers and guards in rnd 1 were a rarity. And Konz is one of the best at both. It increases his value tremendously

That's great.  It doesn't answer the question, though. Being able to play both positions increases his value, sure.  It doesn't make him a better player, though.  I don't see him as being quite as good as Mack or Maurkice Pouncey.  He's definitely a first rounder.  Though he has the versatility to play both positions, he can only play one at a time, so I don't see why his value would be that much greater than either of theirs.  It just means that many more teams that might be willing to draft him, because they could be looking to fill any one of three spots.

+1 on Foles IMHO he is the perfect QB for the browns to develop great upside here with him I though he could slide into the 4th round and we could grab him there. 

brownwarrior wrote: Wow, great stuff, Brent. I like the respect for Nick Foles. Honestly, when the BS dust clears, he does go early round 3, I think, and represents a lot of upside to somebody. 

Goes without saying that I disagree on Tannehill, but I'll say it anyway (!). It's just a rare and complete package. If more guys came out who were 6'5", ran a legit 4.6, made every NFL throw with ease, and were finalists for the Academic Heisman? Fewer teams would have QB problems.

That's all wrong

Interesting you have Givens rated so low. I have him about 50-60 spots higher. Although living down here in NC I saw a lot of him, so I could have the rose-colored glasses on.

What was it that turned you off about him? I think the one thing I noticed of concern was the balance. He doesn't catch the ball effortlessly. I tend to think that can be corrected with mechanics and repetitions. Your thoughts?

Thanks, as always, for your work, Sobo.  I have a few questions.

I notice that you have Floyd at 6 and Jenkins at 13, which would probably make sense due to their talent, but wouldn't character concerns knock them down several notches, like Coples has been?  Given that I got criticized for suggesting that the Browns take him with their second 4th round pick, Charles at 70 could fit within that question too.

Why is Martin rated #10?  That is even 4 positions above Decastro (perhaps because Decastro is a guard). In that case, the Browns wouldn't have a prayer of getting him with their pick at 22.  It looks like you believe that taking Glenn at 22 would be a reach.

Why is Ingram only rated #20?  I have seen even seen him projected to go to Jacksonville at #7.

Ignorantandstupid wrote:

That's great.  It doesn't answer the question, though. Being able to play both positions increases his value, sure.  It doesn't make him a better player, though.  I don't see him as being quite as good as Mack or Maurkice Pouncey.  He's definitely a first rounder.  Though he has the versatility to play both positions, he can only play one at a time, so I don't see why his value would be that much greater than either of theirs.  It just means that many more teams that might be willing to draft him, because they could be looking to fill any one of three spots.

I didn't directly compare them at this juncture because Konz's ranking a little higher (and I had both of them right at 18-20 or so) is also due to the glut of same level talents in this class. I think Mack and Pouncey were the two best all around C's to come out in years. But neither were as powerful at the point of attack or as polished as Konz coming out. Then you add that versatility. I'm not claiming that Konz has as much side as either, my point is that he's still a top talent in this class as a result.

fillyasc wrote: Interesting you have Givens rated so low. I have him about 50-60 spots higher. Although living down here in NC I saw a lot of him, so I could have the rose-colored glasses on.

What was it that turned you off about him? I think the one thing I noticed of concern was the balance. He doesn't catch the ball effortlessly. I tend to think that can be corrected with mechanics and repetitions. Your thoughts?

Receivers in this draft, much like LB's earlier a lot comes down to preference. Not to mention this class is loaded with WR talent throughout. So it comes down where you think they're best slotted based on what you like and how you project them. For example, someone like Joe Adams I think can be an elite slot WR. Hence why I kept him as high as I did. Givens I think doesn't have as much potential outside as Adams does inside. And you weight these sort of things in the grand scheme of things.

SlowLerner wrote: Thanks, as always, for your work, Sobo.  I have a few questions.

I notice that you have Floyd at 6 and Jenkins at 13, which would probably make sense due to their talent, but wouldn't character concerns knock them down several notches, like Coples has been?  Given that I got criticized for suggesting that the Browns take him with their second 4th round pick, Charles at 70 could fit within that question too.

Why is Martin rated #10?  That is even 4 positions above Decastro (perhaps because Decastro is a guard). In that case, the Browns wouldn't have a prayer of getting him with their pick at 22.  It looks like you believe that taking Glenn at 22 would be a reach.

Why is Ingram only rated #20?  I have seen even seen him projected to go to Jacksonville at #7.

Almost all of my rankins are based primarily on what I saw watching the kids play. You'll see slight adjustments due to workouts, injury, and off the field. But I'm not privy to all of that in depth information. So I rate them primarily on what I see. I believe Floyd is a top ten talent. I believe Jenkins has top ten talent as well. The only reason Orson Charles got knocked a bit is because he was dumb enough to get in trouble right before the combine and whatnot.

But someone like Coples for example, his problems can be seen on film. I can't stand prospect without a motor. And I'm usually pretty harsh on my ratings as a example. I have a tough time considering Coples in the top 20 because of it.

Otherwise, teams needs to internally answer these questions about some of these kids. I'm not in a position to make those decisions. So I base it on what I can see.

As for Martin, I've liked him all year. I think he's a little better athlete than he's given credit. He is a good technician. He's also a solid run blocker. And I'm also not as pie in the sky for DeCastro. Although I think both will be very good pros.

But in all honesty those guys from about 6 to 20 are all about the same to me, just jumbled in different ways.

Oh, and Ingram? I clearly stated during the season I worried about his struggles to disengage from blocks. And then I saw the arm length and it scared the daylights out of me.

SOBO, you have Rueben Randle much higher than I have seen in other mock drafts/rankings on the web.  What attributes do you like about him - do you think he is a good fit for the WCO?  A possible 2nd round pick for the Browns?

How is this just a sneak peak?!

cascadehops wrote: SOBO, you have Rueben Randle much higher than I have seen in other mock drafts/rankings on the web.  What attributes do you like about him - do you think he is a good fit for the WCO?  A possible 2nd round pick for the Browns?

I like his size. But more importantly he's one of the bigger wide receivers that actually has a legitimate initial burst off the LOS. The combination is a perfect fit for a team like Cleveland to run him opposite Little.

EntertheShoe wrote: How is this just a sneak peak?!

Yeah. I'll prob. finish with a round 300-350 a little before a week out. Just need to find the time.

I don't see Randle falling out of the first.


Big receivers that can run and still produce despite horrible QB play don't fall.

SOBOdawg wrote: It's been awhile. I've slowly picked and prodded with this. And it's still not completely finished. There are still slight tweaks here and there as I look at my list. It will eventually grow to 300 (maybe beyond) before the draft. Oh, and I don't like specialists, at least not yet.

So here's a sneak peak at my initial 225. Be gentle:

1. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
2. Matt Kalil, OT USC
3. Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
4. Morris Claiborne, CB LSU
5. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
6. Michael Floyd, WR Notre Dame
7. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
8. Michael Brockers, DT LSU
9. Jerel Worthy, DT Michigan State
10. Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford
11. Riley Reiff, OT Iowa
12. Fletcher Cox, DT Mississippi State
13. Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama
14. David DeCastro, OG Stanford
15. Nick Perry, DE USC
16. Peter Konz, C Wisconsin
17. Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College
18. Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
19. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama
20. Melvin Ingram, DE South Carolina
21. Courtney Upshaw, OLB Alabama
22. Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina
23. Lavonte David, LB Nebraska
24. Dontari Poe, DT Memphis
25. Devon Still, DT Penn State
26. Ryan Tannenhill, QB Texas A&M
27. Rueben Randle WR LSU
28. Coby Fleener, TE Stanford
29. Zach Brown, LB North Carolina
30. Whitney Mercilus, DE Illinois
31. Kendall Wright, WR Baylor
32. Mike Adams, OT Ohio State
33. Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia
34. Stephen Hill, WR Georgia Tech
35. Kendell Reyes, DT UConn
36. George Iloka, S Boise State
37. Doug Martin, RB Boise State
38. Mark Barron, S Alabama
39. Bobby Wagner, Utah State
40. Dont’a Hightower, LB Alabama
41. Chandler Jones, DE Syracuse
42. Vinny Curry, DE Marshall
43. Ronnell Lewis, OLB Oklahoma
44. Brandon Washington, OG Miami
45. Andre Branch, DE Clemson
46. Joe Adams, WR Arkansas
47. Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina
48. David Wilson, RB Virginia Tech
49. Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma State
50. Brandon Thompson, DT Clemson
51. Lamar Miller, RB Miami
52. Jayron Hosley, CB Virginia Tech
53. Shea McClellin, LB Boise State
54. Kelechi Osemele, OG Iowa State
55. Alfonzo Dennard, CB Nebraska
56. Kevin Zeitler, OG Wisconsin
57. Josh Robinson, CB UCF
58. Mike Brewster, C Ohio State
59. Mohamed Sanu, WR Rutgers
60. Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson
61. Harrison Smith, S Notre Dame
62. Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss
63. Casey Heyward, CB Vanderbilt
64. Trumaine Johnson, CB Montana
65. Chris Polk, RB Washington
66. Josh Chapman, NT Alabama
67. Dwight Jones, WR North Carolina
68. Alameda Ta’amu, NT Washington
69. Mitchel Schwartz, OT Cal
70. Orson Charles, TE Georgia
71. T.Y. Hilton, WR Florida International
72. Josh Norman, CB Coastal Carolina
73. Brandon Brooks, OG Miami (OH)
74. Leonard Johnson, CB Iowa State
75. Amini Silatolu, OG Midwestern State
76. Markelle Martin, S Oklahoma State
77. Isaiah Pead, RB Cincinnati
78. Nick Foles, QB Arizona
79. Billy Winn, DT Boise State
80. Brock Osweiler, QB Arizona State
81. LaMichael James, RB Oregon
82. Chase Minnifield, Virginia
83. Terrell Manning, LB North Carolina State
84. Michael Egnew, TE Missouri
85. Dwight Bentley, LB Louisiana-Lafayette
86. Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma
87. Lucas Nix, OG Pitt
88. Brandon Boykin, CB Georgia
89. Kirk Cousins, QB Michigan State
90. Michael Kendricks, LB Cal
91. Cam Johnson, DE Virginia
92. Brian Quick, WR Appalachian State
93. Ladarius Green, TE Arkansas State
94. Brandon Taylor, S LSU
95. Jared Crick, DT Nebraska
96. Keenan Robinson, LB Texas
97. Philip Blake, C Baylor
98. Bruce Irvin, DE West Virginia
99. Antonio Allen S, South Carolina
100. Robert Turbin, RB Utah State
101. Levy Adcock, OT Oklahoma State
102. Trevor Guyton, DE Cal
103. Demario Davis, LB Arkansas State
104. Brandon Mosley, OT Auburn
105. Jarius Wright, WR Arkansas
106. Coty Sensabaugh, CB Clemson
107. Derek Wolfe, DT Cincinnati
108. Sean Spence, LB Miami
109. Mike Martin, DT Michigan
110. Jamell Flemming, CB Oklahoma
111. Kheeston Randle, DT Texas
112. B.J. Cunningham, WR Michigan State
113. Kyle Wilber, LB Wake Forest
114. Ben Jones, C Georgia
115. Jake Bequette, DE Arkansas
116. Dan Herron, RB Ohio State
117. T.J. Graham, WR North Carolina State
118. Marvin Jones, WR Cal
119. Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
120. Shaun Prater, CB Iowa
121. Greg Childs, WR Arkansas
122. Tommy Streeter, WR Miami
123. Brian Linthicum, TE Michigan State
124. Nate Potter, OT Boise State
125. Chris Givens, WR Wake Forest
126. Donnie Fletcher, CB Boston College
127. Ryan Lindley, QB San Diego State
128. Andrew Datko, OT Florida State
129. DaJohn Harris, DT USC
130. Jeff Allen, OT Illinois
131. Malik Jackson, DE Tennessee
132. Tyrone Crawford, DE Boise State
133. Tank Carder, LB TCU
134. Zebrie Sanders, OT Florida State
135. Quentin Saulsberry, Mississippi State
136. Nick Toon, WR Wisconsin
137. Juron Criner, WR Arizona
138. Lamar Holmes, OT Southern Miss
139. Brandon Lindsay, LB Pittsburgh
140. Senio Kelemete, OG Washington
141. David Molk, C Michigan
142. Audie Cole, LB North Carolina State
143. Evan Rodriguez, FB Temple
144. Junior Hemmingway, WR Michigan
145. Jaye Howard, DT Florida
146. Nigel Bradham, LB Florida State
147. Devier Posey, WR Ohio State
148. Janzen Jackson, S McNeese State
149. Eric Page, WR Toledo
150. Travis Lewis, LB Oklahoma
151. Vick Ballard, RB Mississippi State
152. Dominique Hamilton, DT Missouri
153. Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
154. Kelvin Beachum, OG SMU
155. Tony Bergstrom, OT Utah
156. Drake Dunsmore, FB Northwestern
157. Keith Tandy, CB West Virginia
158. Terrance Ganaway, RB Baylor
159. Akiem Nicks, DT Regina
160. B.J. Coleman, QB Tennessee-Chattanooga
161. Julian Miller, DE West Virginia
162. Omar Bolden, CB Arizona State
163. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE Troy
164. James Hannah, TE Oklahoma
165. Marcus Zusevics, OT Iowa
166. A.J. Jenkins, WR Illinois
167. DeQuan Menzie, Alabama
168. Asa Jackson, CB Cal-Poly
169. Cyrus Gray, RB Texas A&M
170. Chris Owusu, WR Stanford
171. Donte Paige-Moss, DE North Carolina
172. Tauren Poole, RB Tennessee
173. Devon Wylie, WR Fresno State
174. Duke Ihenacho, S San Jose State
175. James Brown, OG Troy
176. Shawn Loiseau, LB Merrimack
177. DeAngelo Peterson, TE LSU
178. Chris Rainey, RB Florida
179. Adam Gettis, OG Iowa
180. Cory Harkey, TE UCLA
181. Hebron Fangupo, DT BYU
182. Jeff Fuller, WR Texas A&M
183. Vontaze Burfict, LB Arizona State
184. Marvin McNutt, WR Iowa
185. Donald Stephenson, OT Oklahoma
186. Matt Reynolds, OT BYU
187. Coryell Judie, CB Texas A&M
188. Nathan Stupar, LB Penn State
189. Vaughn Meatoga, DT Hawaii
190. Josh Kaddu, LB Oregon
191. Jamie Blatnick, DE Oklahoma State
192. Austin Davis, QB Southern Miss
193. Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
194. Rishaw Johnson, OG Cal (PA)
195. Darius Fleming, LB Notre Dame
196. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
197. Bradie Ewing, FB Wisconsin
198. Ronnie Hillman, RB San Diego State
199. Olivier Vernon, DE Miami
200. Najee Good, LB West Virginia
201. Matt McCants, OT UAB
202. D.J. Woods, WR Cincinnati
203. Cliff Harris, CB Oregon
204. Jeff Adams, OT Columbia
205. Ryan Steed, CB Furman
206. Emil Igwenagu, FB UMass
207. Danny Coale, WR Virginia Tech
208. Mike Daniels DT Iowa
209. Ron Brooks, CB LSU
210. Jacquies Smith, DE Missouri
211. Jerrell Young, S South Florida
212. Gerell Robinson, WR Arizona State
213. Rishard Matthews, WR Nevada
214. Charles Brown, CB North Carolina
215. D.J. Holt, LB Cal
216. Davin Meggett, RB Maryland
217. Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
218. Tom Compton, OT South Dakota
219. Lennon Creer, RB Louisiana Tech
220. Brandon Hardin, S Oregon State
221. Aron White, TE Georgia
222. Frank Alexander, DE Oklahoma
223. Danny Trevathan, LB Kentucky
224. Rokevious Watkins, OG South Carolina
225. Ernest Owusu, DE Cal

4   Richards RB

22  Wright WR

37   Weeden   QB

67    Schwartz  OT

100     Martin DT 

118     Carder   LB

139     Posey  WR

160     Paige-Moss   DE

SOBOdawg wrote:

Ignorantandstupid wrote:

That's great.  It doesn't answer the question, though. Being able to play both positions increases his value, sure.  It doesn't make him a better player, though.  I don't see him as being quite as good as Mack or Maurkice Pouncey.  He's definitely a first rounder.  Though he has the versatility to play both positions, he can only play one at a time, so I don't see why his value would be that much greater than either of theirs.  It just means that many more teams that might be willing to draft him, because they could be looking to fill any one of three spots.

I didn't directly compare them at this juncture because Konz's ranking a little higher (and I had both of them right at 18-20 or so) is also due to the glut of same level talents in this class. I think Mack and Pouncey were the two best all around C's to come out in years. But neither were as powerful at the point of attack or as polished as Konz coming out. Then you add that versatility. I'm not claiming that Konz has as much side as either, my point is that he's still a top talent in this class as a result.

I'm going to start calling you Mit Romney. 

I suppose, by saying that Mack and Pouncey were the best all around centers to come out in years, that you did start to answer the question, but you're still sort of dancing around it like a politician.

Ignorantandstupid wrote:

I'm going to start calling you Mit Romney. 

I suppose, by saying that Mack and Pouncey were the best all around centers to come out in years, that you did start to answer the question, but you're still sort of dancing around it like a politician.

Please don't compare me to any of the Republican candidates. That's adding insult to an insult.

Let's just leave it that I really like Konz, particularly as a run blocker.

Sobo, how much does Weeden's age impact his rating on your Board? If he was younger would he be higher than Tannehill?

bayareaactor wrote: Sobo, how much does Weeden's age impact his rating on your Board? If he was younger would he be higher than Tannehill?

I have him mid second round range. I don't deny his age and it is a factor. But I'm entirely comfortable with him late 1st/early second, because I know he has the talent.

And yes I do believe he'd be higher ranked than Tannehill if he was the same age.