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"You wanna drive up the asking price before FA? Sure. We'll talk up the next QB down the line."

Nice read..I was thinking about Tannehill since he's the topic of discussion on KNR today.
But remember this could very well be a smokescreen(partially true) ,they might just like the kid and feel they could easily get him without surrendering any high picks.

I agree it's a counter to he Rams asking price but is it more than just that?

SOBOdawg wrote: http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...ryan-tannehill/

"You wanna drive up the asking price before FA? Sure. We'll talk up the next QB down the line."

But there is no way you draft Tannehil at #4...so I can only see this as a smoke screen of some sort.  It would be laughable if they drafted him at 4, would they be considering a trade down if this is the case?  If Washington moves up to #2 is there any player that teams covet enough, in your opinion, to move up to grab?  I guess it depends on how the draft goes.  If RG3 goes 2, and Kalil goes 3, do the browns take Blackmon at 4?  Claiborne at 4?  or trade down?

Eventually it'll be a great idea for us to love Weeden and Cousins too.

I love it.  The plot thickens, Good thing we dont have a rookie GM.

x 100000 Tucky.

Tannehill is the right guy to talk about: Played in the WCO, very smart, probably killed his Wonderlic, NFL arm and great athleticism. When you talk to the Rams, you have to appear willing to take Tannehill not only in a trade down (ahead of the Dolphins and Seahawks)... but even at #4, ratings be damned.

With the wage scale, you don't have to miss out on Tannehill (assuming you love him) because he doesn't slot correctly. You want him, you take him... especially because he's a QB. Anyway, he'll kill his workout and everybody will start putting him in the top 10, like Julio Jones.

But yeah... it's first and foremost about the trade. The Rams will want our 4 and 22 more than anything the others can offer. We'll be the prettiest girl on The Bachelor.

Please God.....no. No. God, please....no. No. No. Noooooooooooo....

It would be kinda like passing on Aaron Rodgers to take Joe Flacco... Has to be purely a negotiating tactic... I hope...
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When we compare RGIII to Tannehill, a very good man told me.

It is like comparing Eli Manning to Rivers.

Now Eli Manning was the first pick and I believe Rivers was the fourth pick in that year's draft.

Now, I will not put too many negatives to Rivers, but just say that Eli Manning was smart enough to refuse to go to San Diego.

The quality of the GM, HC and a variety of other circumstances came to Eli Manning when he made his decision that he was not going to play in San Diego. 

John Elway also made a decision not to play football in Baltimore.

I just wonder sometimes how well would Rivers had played, if he played with the New York Giants.

They say players win games, but the GM and the coaching staff, plus all the other personnel make a big difference on how the roster is developed as well as the player once signed are developed.

I really don't know how much difference there is between Tannehill and the other two.  I do know that there is a significant drop off after Tannehill, acording to sources on the NFL Network.  I say sources, since I can't remember the person who made the comment.

It is not a reach when you draft a guy that you want and would lose if you waited. So If Tannehill is the guy you want, Than draft him at 4 or trade up from 22. Because he will not be there at 22. But if you trade up from 22 than you might as well trade up and get RGIII, What would it cost to move ahead of Miami or Seattle??

There certainly is an interesting game of chicken going on right now. St. Louis wants to make a deal badly before free agency for very good reason. Peyton Manning is very much helping the Browns as his impending free agency is the only reason Washington hasn't completely sold out to the Rams already IMO. And a big thank you to Manning's agent for the video leak of him throwing, you know Snyder will be licking his chops. They are going to roll out the carpet for not only him but Reggie Wayne as well. I also think Flynn in Miami is a very logical fit. If the Skins and Dolphins take the FA route, Cleveland is in a much better position to acquire Griffin III for less (to possibly no) additional cost.

If the Skins and Dolphins take the FA route, Cleveland is in a much better position to acquire Griffin III for less (to possibly no) additional cost.

As long as we have more teams needing a quality QB than there are quality QB's, somebody will offer STL a couple firsts plus for RGIII.

With Luck going to INDY, the quality QB prospects stop after Manning, RGIII, Flynn, and Tannehill. But the list of teams looking goes to at least six--CLE, WAS, MIA, SEA, KC, DEN, ARI, and maybe even the NYJ.

Even if WAS signs Manning and MIA signs Flynn, which would be a best case scenario, there's now way a team like SEA or even DEN doesn't make a solid offer--probably one we can easily match, but I don't see much chance we can sit tight at #4 and get RGIII.

I used to think it was about 50/50, but things have to fall so perfectly I've changed my mind. Once Manning signs somewhere besides WAS, those odds become nil.

I understand that point of view. But another thing to consider is whether or not St. Louis or Minnesota would do the trade down knowing they'd have to go down to 12 (Seattle) or further. Both of those teams have young QB's and need help in key positions where there are top level prospects in this draft. If St Louis were to trade down to even Seatlle they'd risk missing out on all of the top LT's. That a new regime that would be open to immediate criticism the first sack Bradford took. Minnesota is in a similar position though I think they'd be the more likely of the 2 to trade down. The closer the action gets to the 4th pick the better position we're in.

syddawg wrote: It would be kinda like passing on Aaron Rodgers to take Joe Flacco... Has to be purely a negotiating tactic... I hope...
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No it wouldn't.  Aaron Rogers was drafted in the 20's and was given time to develop on a good football team, Flacco went to a good football team where he didn't have to be a savior.  The best thing to do is have a team in place and established system and players and then let a QB fall in your laps..Acting so Dire never work's.

I agree that those two teams may not wanna move down to 12 or lower, but as soon as another team shows an interest in moving ahead of us, don't we have to react? Will we know that STL or MIN won't move down that far? And will we know they haen't rec'd an offer that doesn't make it worth their while to move that far down?

We moved from 5 to 27 last year so ATL could draft a WR. What would John Elway give to draft a FQB in his own mold? Could STL or MIN turn down an offer greater than what we rec'd from ATL when they also need a bevy of players?

Yes it would, my reference is purely re their pro level of production as it now stands, not where they were drafted.. I was simply saying I see RG3 as an elite talent ie possibly top 5 in the league. I just don't see it from anyone else ( other than Luck of course) in the draft and the browns have the ability to get him, anything less is settling for a possibly solid but not elite QB.

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syddawg wrote: It would be kinda like passing on Aaron Rodgers to take Joe Flacco... Has to be purely a negotiating tactic... I hope...
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No it wouldn't.  Aaron Rogers was drafted in the 20's and was given time to develop on a good football team, Flacco went to a good football team where he didn't have to be a savior.  The best thing to do is have a team in place and established system and players and then let a QB fall in your laps..Acting so Dire never work's.

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It's certainly conceivable that a situation like that could play itself out, assuming Washington and Miami's needs at QB have been fulfilled in FA. But in St. Louis' sitation I don't think it will, not with their investment in Bradford and franchise LT's on the board that will be gone before the mid-point of round 1. Minnesota could be a different story, but they still have a young QB who needs blindside protection. I could, however, see them trading down and targeting a deep position like CB with Jenkins or Kirkpatrick or even Floyd as they've got a big need at WR as well. I still feel like the LT's will be too important for these teams to pass up in this situation though. It's the 2nd most important position on the team and can be addressed with a top level talent at the position on the relative cheap due to the rookie pay scale. If I'm either team in this situation I take the best LT prospect available (Kalil, then Reiff and Martin depending on boards) and look to FA for my WR.

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I agree that those two teams may not wanna move down to 12 or lower, but as soon as another team shows an interest in moving ahead of us, don't we have to react? Will we know that STL or MIN won't move down that far? And will we know they haen't rec'd an offer that doesn't make it worth their while to move that far down?

We moved from 5 to 27 last year so ATL could draft a WR. What would John Elway give to draft a FQB in his own mold? Could STL or MIN turn down an offer greater than what we rec'd from ATL when they also need a bevy of players?

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I think if they dont trade up for RG3...Miami is a real possibility to take Tannehill at 8. Even if they sign Manning, there is still a chance they grab him, IMO.

I see #8 as his ceiling.

ajcle29 wrote: I think if they dont trade up for RG3...Miami is a real possibility to take Tannehill at 8. Even if they sign Manning, there is still a chance they grab him, IMO.

I see #8 as his ceiling.

I think his ceiling is as high as #4 and his floor is #12 with Seattle.

Note: I don't think we'll take him, just that #4 is as his as he can potentially go.