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Pollard: LBs: Scatter Chart plotting Impact Tackles, Run Stuffs

Posted: 2/18/2013 12:47 AM

Pollard: LBs: Scatter Chart plotting Impact Tackles, Run Stuffs 


John Pollard @ JPSTATS

Top Draft Prospect LBs: Scatter Chart plotting Impact Tackles ("Downhill" tkls 2 yds from the LOS) and Run Stuffs. pic.twitter.com/d0R4xCyf

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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:12 AM

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Interesting. Manti Te'O pops off that list in a bad way as supposedly the best linebacker. How much are his interceptions actually bringing him up?

Khaseem Greene and Kevin Reddick pop off the list in a good way. Interesting that the higher round prospects are rated lower than some lower round prospects in this. What makes them higher ranked?

These are awesome Coop, keep it up (as in keep posting them, I know you didn't make them)
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:33 AM

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Here comes my prerequisite complaining of advanced analytics when it comes to the sport of football.

It's a very narrow definition of these players that lend to broad generalizations about their play.

Stats are always a useful tool if used properly. But -- using this as an example -- it doesn't weigh the entire picture which has to include scheme, surrounding talent, player usage, etc.

It gives an idea of what type of player you're looking at, but never the entire picture.

Can't stop talking football: Browns, NFL, college, even some high school @brentsobleski
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:54 AM

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It was in a different scheme, but UNC used Reddick a lot like the Browns deployed D-Bo, so it's not at all surprising that he made a lot of plays near or behind the LOS. I do think he's a good fit for playing 3-4 inside backer though, especially if he gets better at using his hands to defeat blocks.

Alonso's another interesting guy. He's a better overall athlete than Reddick, which likely will lead to him going a round or two higher.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:44 PM

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SOBOdawg wrote: Here comes my prerequisite complaining of advanced analytics when it comes to the sport of football.

It's a very narrow definition of these players that lend to broad generalizations about their play.

Stats are always a useful tool if used properly. But -- using this as an example -- it doesn't weigh the entire picture which has to include scheme, surrounding talent, player usage, etc.

It gives an idea of what type of player you're looking at, but never the entire picture.
You took the words right out of my mouth, stats are fine to review, but you can't draw an accurate description from that information alone. Good point SOBO.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:54 PM

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Interesting data Coop. Not a thing in there surprises me. Good find.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang

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Posted: 2/18/2013 6:07 PM

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Jarvis Jones is just an all-around stud.  If he checks out medically, we would be crazy not to take him, right?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 2:55 AM

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LB - Pollard/STATS inc sample 'inside the numbers':
https://twitter.com/JPSTATS/status/303963722970443 776


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Posted: 2/26/2013 6:26 AM

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Posted: 2/26/2013 6:30 AM

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Posted: 2/26/2013 6:34 AM

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Posted: 2/26/2013 7:06 AM

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The guy that stands out to me on "impact Tackles" and "Coverage Burn" and especially for where most sites have him ranked, is AJ Klein the ILB from Iowa State. 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 8:13 AM

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But as another piece to the puzzle, I think it's warranted. There will always be important counter explanations to sift through, like poor Dlines, always playing with big leads, etc. More information gives you more of the picture to make those determinations. It calls for some modeling really. Let's face it, we're never going to go towards LESS information on topics like this in this world.

SOBOdawg wrote: Here comes my prerequisite complaining of advanced analytics when it comes to the sport of football.

It's a very narrow definition of these players that lend to broad generalizations about their play.

Stats are always a useful tool if used properly. But -- using this as an example -- it doesn't weigh the entire picture which has to include scheme, surrounding talent, player usage, etc.

It gives an idea of what type of player you're looking at, but never the entire picture.

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Posted: 2/26/2013 8:27 AM

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Air Al wrote: But as another piece to the puzzle, I think it's warranted. There will always be important counter explanations to sift through, like poor Dlines, always playing with big leads, etc. More information gives you more of the picture to make those determinations. It calls for some modeling really. Let's face it, we're never going to go towards LESS information on topics like this in this world.

I agree. It should be a piece of the puzzle.

But my contention is that a certain sect of people take stats like these as the gospel when it comes to football.

Too many out there who haven't been around the sport in any form or fashion think they can assess play or talent with stats like these. Draft websites pop up a dozen at a time it seems. Sabremetrics continually to be employed to a sport that doesn't have individualistic properties.

It's crazy to me. It really is considering how this cottage industry seemingly popped up over the past five and 10 years, but no one really holds it accountable.

Can't stop talking football: Browns, NFL, college, even some high school @brentsobleski

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Posted: 2/26/2013 8:47 AM

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One 'under the radar' player from these charts is Jamie Collins (Southern Miss). He recorded a fine 15 impact tackles and also lead all LBs in fewest missed tackles.

Collins is an amazing athlete and ran a 4.64 40-time yesterday, while also leading all LBs with a huge 41.5-in vertical leap and 139-in broad jump. His broad jump actually broke the all-time Combine record for all positions!

The scouting reports I've read do say that he is more of an athlete than an instinctive fotball player, but he did manage 10 sacks in 2012, so he is obviously able to translate some of that athleticism into production.

Probably Collins is a 3rd/4th rd pick, so he might be of interest if we don't go pass rusher in the first round!?
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:48 PM

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Couldn't agree more. Worth a 3rd. Ideal size for a 3-4 OLB too. Projected at 70 pre-combine. 10 sacks is significant for someone who is "not an elite pass rush talent" (per NFL site).

BritDawg wrote: One 'under the radar' player from these charts is Jamie Collins (Southern Miss). He recorded a fine 15 impact tackles and also lead all LBs in fewest missed tackles.

Collins is an amazing athlete and ran a 4.64 40-time yesterday, while also leading all LBs with a huge 41.5-in vertical leap and 139-in broad jump. His broad jump actually broke the all-time Combine record for all positions!

The scouting reports I've read do say that he is more of an athlete than an instinctive fotball player, but he did manage 10 sacks in 2012, so he is obviously able to translate some of that athleticism into production.

Probably Collins is a 3rd/4th rd pick, so he might be of interest if we don't go pass rusher in the first round!?

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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:49 PM

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Agree, way too many variables in this equation to focus too much on any one.


SOBOdawg wrote:
Air Al wrote: But as another piece to the puzzle, I think it's warranted. There will always be important counter explanations to sift through, like poor Dlines, always playing with big leads, etc. More information gives you more of the picture to make those determinations. It calls for some modeling really. Let's face it, we're never going to go towards LESS information on topics like this in this world.

I agree. It should be a piece of the puzzle.

But my contention is that a certain sect of people take stats like these as the gospel when it comes to football.

Too many out there who haven't been around the sport in any form or fashion think they can assess play or talent with stats like these. Draft websites pop up a dozen at a time it seems. Sabremetrics continually to be employed to a sport that doesn't have individualistic properties.

It's crazy to me. It really is considering how this cottage industry seemingly popped up over the past five and 10 years, but no one really holds it accountable.

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Posted: 3/20/2013 1:56 PM

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John Pollard @ JPSTATS 45m

Top prospects ILB's ranked by Tackle % (Tackles/Tackle Opportunities). pic.twitter.com/Et6iucTcuE


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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:13 PM

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Vince Williams ran a 4.71 40 and looked fluid in coverage at FSU's Pro Day after having a very good showing at the Sr. Bowl. Hmmm...

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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:29 PM

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John Pollard has also just posted OLBs as well, providing yet more fuel for the Jamie Collins bandwagon:


https://twitter.com/JPSTATS/status/314434067821125 632/photo/1

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