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Posted: 9/10/2012 11:03 AM

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Gameface64 wrote: IMO, Weeden is going to play the whole year unless he gets hurt. Or Haslam gets weird and starts filling out the starting line-up.

Holmgren is out, he's got nothing to gain by trying to win a few games with McCoy, and there's no evidence that McCoy would have won today's game either. We've got the knee jerkiest of the fan base writing Weeden off after one game, and that's crazy talk. Heckert and Shurmur are invested in developing Weeden, it's their only mission. Reverting to McCoy won't help them either.

Unless Weeden has 7 more games as bad as today, unless he makes absolutely no progress, I don't think they switch. If he was a younger player and you worried about his mental make up, then maybe you pull him for that reason. But Weeden's no kid. Just don't see it.
If you are including me in this then you have missed my point.  "Possibly" going to Colt for a while isn't thinking Colt is the man.  The game was sooooooo win'able yesterday Colt may very well have won it.  I don't want Colt in next week or the week after but there may come a time Weeden needs to sit and regroup.  There may come a time when the team needs to feel they are as important as his grooming.  I haven't given up on Weeden but I am concerned.  Yes, the ENTIRE offense for the most part sucked but it doesn't excuse his terrible performance.  I said he needs to show improvement.  He shouldn't be given a season to play at the level we saw unless the plan is to lose and get Barkley next year.

He has done LITTLE to impress since training camp.  Pre season games were as vanilla as they come and yet he still seemed overwhelmed and uncomfortable for the most part.  He has yet to hit levels at times like the other rookie QBs.  The fact he didn't then and now sucked is concerning.  Sure he deserves more time but not without showing some improvement.  A QB who has a tendency to force things without getting better only develops bad habits along the way.

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Posted: 9/10/2012 2:23 PM

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hamster wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: IMO, Weeden is going to play the whole year unless he gets hurt. Or Haslam gets weird and starts filling out the starting line-up.

Holmgren is out, he's got nothing to gain by trying to win a few games with McCoy, and there's no evidence that McCoy would have won today's game either. We've got the knee jerkiest of the fan base writing Weeden off after one game, and that's crazy talk. Heckert and Shurmur are invested in developing Weeden, it's their only mission. Reverting to McCoy won't help them either.

Unless Weeden has 7 more games as bad as today, unless he makes absolutely no progress, I don't think they switch. If he was a younger player and you worried about his mental make up, then maybe you pull him for that reason. But Weeden's no kid. Just don't see it.
If you are including me in this then you have missed my point.  "Possibly" going to Colt for a while isn't thinking Colt is the man.  The game was sooooooo win'able yesterday Colt may very well have won it.  I don't want Colt in next week or the week after but there may come a time Weeden needs to sit and regroup.  There may come a time when the team needs to feel they are as important as his grooming.  I haven't given up on Weeden but I am concerned.  Yes, the ENTIRE offense for the most part sucked but it doesn't excuse his terrible performance.  I said he needs to show improvement.  He shouldn't be given a season to play at the level we saw unless the plan is to lose and get Barkley next year.

He has done LITTLE to impress since training camp.  Pre season games were as vanilla as they come and yet he still seemed overwhelmed and uncomfortable for the most part.  He has yet to hit levels at times like the other rookie QBs.  The fact he didn't then and now sucked is concerning.  Sure he deserves more time but not without showing some improvement.  A QB who has a tendency to force things without getting better only develops bad habits along the way.
SD:

Yeah Colt would have really helped , the Iggles would have loaded the box even tighter compressed the field manned up on the outside receivers and sacked the little dweeb before his back foot hit the ground .

Puhlease , get back to me after more than one game , if Weeds shows no improvement from this lesson , but for now it is what it is, a taken to the woodshed butt whuppin .

The only reason that game stayed close is because of the deep threats outside and Weedens ability to make them pay if they didn't play straight .

Without that threat the philly defense would have been tackling TR in the backfield playing the run enroute to  taking turns snapping the little calf hump in half.

As it was they simply read the telegraphed plays diagnosed the run  presnap , just like everybody else in the stadium  and gave us the blues .

Which makes Shurmurs refusal to use play action , from a run formation and go over their heads deep that much more dubious.

SoulDawg
WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 9/10/2012 3:44 PM

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Ham,

I was replying to one aspect of PauliePureBred's take: that Weeden would get pulled for McCoy by the time the season was half over (I am paraphrasing).

None of what I wrote was directed to you.

And now that I'm thinking about it, I could be wrong. If Weeden doesn't approve after six weeks, who knows? But I'm having a diffiicult time imagining that he (and the other offensive rookies) won't get better. Yesterday had to be bottom.....I can't even fathom a lower rung of performance.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:02 PM

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Gameface64 wrote: Ham,

I was replying to one aspect of PauliePureBred's take: that Weeden would get pulled for McCoy by the time the season was half over (I am paraphrasing).

None of what I wrote was directed to you.

And now that I'm thinking about it, I could be wrong. If Weeden doesn't approve after six weeks, who knows? But I'm having a diffiicult time imagining that he (and the other offensive rookies) won't get better. Yesterday had to be bottom.....I can't even fathom a lower rung of performance.

SD:

Oh it could get a lot worse , but trust me , you don't even want to think about it much less discuss it .

SoulDawg
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:39 PM

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Ha Ha SD, there's always 0-16 and Berea in flames.

But I don't think so. Yesterday was exciting in a way that last year was not. Yesterday was a spectacular exploding cigar, but at least it wasn't boring.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:51 PM

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Agree there. It seems unfathomable that Weeden could post the 6 worst QB performances in NFL history... consecutively anyway. 
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Gameface64 wrote: Ham,

And now that I'm thinking about it, I could be wrong. If Weeden doesn't approve after six weeks, who knows? But I'm having a diffiicult time imagining that he (and the other offensive rookies) won't get better. Yesterday had to be bottom.....I can't even fathom a lower rung of performance.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:56 PM

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The hell with Philly and their low life scum of a QB.
We lost.

On to the Bengals.
I hope they are REALLY tired and beat up after playing the ratbirds tonight.

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Posted: 9/10/2012 7:04 PM

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The biggest factor will be Frosty Rucker's revenge motives.
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Lumpy wrote:

The hell with Philly and their low life scum of a QB.
We lost.

On to the Bengals.
I hope they are REALLY tired and beat up after playing the ratbirds tonight.

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Posted: 9/10/2012 9:21 PM

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They were worried about a deep threat? Really? Weeden didn't complete a
pass more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage unless you count the
int's.

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hamster wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: IMO, Weeden is going to play the whole year unless he gets hurt. Or Haslam gets weird and starts filling out the starting line-up.

Holmgren is out, he's got nothing to gain by trying to win a few games with McCoy, and there's no evidence that McCoy would have won today's game either. We've got the knee jerkiest of the fan base writing Weeden off after one game, and that's crazy talk. Heckert and Shurmur are invested in developing Weeden, it's their only mission. Reverting to McCoy won't help them either.

Unless Weeden has 7 more games as bad as today, unless he makes absolutely no progress, I don't think they switch. If he was a younger player and you worried about his mental make up, then maybe you pull him for that reason. But Weeden's no kid. Just don't see it.
If you are including me in this then you have missed my point.  "Possibly" going to Colt for a while isn't thinking Colt is the man.  The game was sooooooo win'able yesterday Colt may very well have won it.  I don't want Colt in next week or the week after but there may come a time Weeden needs to sit and regroup.  There may come a time when the team needs to feel they are as important as his grooming.  I haven't given up on Weeden but I am concerned.  Yes, the ENTIRE offense for the most part sucked but it doesn't excuse his terrible performance.  I said he needs to show improvement.  He shouldn't be given a season to play at the level we saw unless the plan is to lose and get Barkley next year.

He has done LITTLE to impress since training camp.  Pre season games were as vanilla as they come and yet he still seemed overwhelmed and uncomfortable for the most part.  He has yet to hit levels at times like the other rookie QBs.  The fact he didn't then and now sucked is concerning.  Sure he deserves more time but not without showing some improvement.  A QB who has a tendency to force things without getting better only develops bad habits along the way.
SD:

Yeah Colt would have really helped , the Iggles would have loaded the box even tighter compressed the field manned up on the outside receivers and sacked the little dweeb before his back foot hit the ground .

Puhlease , get back to me after more than one game , if Weeds shows no improvement from this lesson , but for now it is what it is, a taken to the woodshed butt whuppin .

The only reason that game stayed close is because of the deep threats outside and Weedens ability to make them pay if they didn't play straight .

Without that threat the philly defense would have been tackling TR in the backfield playing the run enroute to  taking turns snapping the little calf hump in half.

As it was they simply read the telegraphed plays diagnosed the run  presnap , just like everybody else in the stadium  and gave us the blues .

Which makes Shurmurs refusal to use play action , from a run formation and go over their heads deep that much more dubious.

SoulDawg

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