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Re: QB will be the first three picks in this years draft

Posted: 4/1/2012 3:09 AM

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I know expressing any sort of sentiment in this forum that Colt has a chance to be good is met with immediate scorn, disdain, accusations of homosexuality, etc but dammit that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'm struck at how we drop QB's into epic clusturflucks with little to no support, and pronounce them losers unfit to hold a clipboard when they predictably fail. 

I think everyone basically agrees that Colt has some good qualities (the dreaded "moxie") and that the stake through the heart is arm strength, or lack of it. He did play poorly last year, With the "DA decision of horror" (AA, 2011) a weekly occurrence. He regressed in all phases. But I can't tell if it's because he sucks, the team sucks, or what.

We all know most young quarterbacks look absolutely horrible until they figure it out. Of course, some never do. 

Point is, the kid can improve. It's been known to happen. The arm strength thing is overblown. It is an issue. The ball tends to float. But I think that can improve as well. The dude threw 950 six yard passes last year. That's not because he can't throw the ball 10 yards. I don't know WHAT that was, maybe Shurmer does.

Reaching for a QB at the top of the draft because of "measurables" isn't good policy IMO.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:53 AM

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"Reaching for a QB at the top of the draft because of "measurables" isn't good policy IMO."

- But sticking with a QB with NO MEASURABLES" apparently is.

The reason we need a new QB is simple, we don't have one.

McCoy is BY FAR the worst QB in the division. In fact he has yet to win a divisional game.

There is not one physical tool anyone can point to that says he should be a starter in the NFL. NOT ONE.

And it's not reaching to take a QB who potentially can become a franchise QB.

And don't fool yourself, Luck and RG3 only have potential, they don't come with guarantees.

To pass on a 6'4 225 lb athletic QB with a rifle arm, would be crime for a team that has none. I don't care what other 'needs' the team has.

You won't see Indy or Washington pass on QB's despite their teams ' other needs".

Tannehill has everything anyone could ask for to become a elite franchise QB. All he needs is coaching.

That's what we're paying Homie for.

Isn' it?
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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:04 AM

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poppa9601 wrote: "Reaching for a QB at the top of the draft because of "measurables" isn't good policy IMO."

- But sticking with a QB with NO MEASURABLES" apparently is.

The reason we need a new QB is simple, we don't have one.

McCoy is BY FAR the worst QB in the division. In fact he has yet to win a divisional game.

There is not one physical tool anyone can point to that says he should be a starter in the NFL. NOT ONE.

And it's not reaching to take a QB who potentially can become a franchise QB.

And don't fool yourself, Luck and RG3 only have potential, they don't come with guarantees.

To pass on a 6'4 225 lb athletic QB with a rifle arm, would be crime for a team that has none. I don't care what other 'needs' the team has.

You won't see Indy or Washington pass on QB's despite their teams ' other needs".

Tannehill has everything anyone could ask for to become a elite franchise QB. All he needs is coaching.

That's what we're paying Homie for.

Isn' it?

SD:

That was the spiel when we hired him , but so far its turned out , that we're paying him for nothing  , unless you want to count his school teacher scolding act which promises no tickets for the non believers.

Whats relevant is they sent Chilly to eveluate  Tannehill , normally you promise a key performere on the side of the ball , when you bring in a top  aid like that .

Chilly's comments were relevant in that he prefers Tannehill , because he doesn't have that much to unlearn  , more the blank canvas , without the clutter .

One of those guys who could be a much better pro than anything  he did in College .

The type of kid with the upside you need on a team  still growing .

He'll be better in 2013 as a starter than anybody we can draft , and that  is the only thing that matters.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:24 AM

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gomjabber wrote: I know expressing any sort of sentiment in this forum that Colt has a chance to be good is met with immediate scorn, disdain, accusations of homosexuality, etc but dammit that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'm struck at how we drop QB's into epic clusturflucks with little to no support, and pronounce them losers unfit to hold a clipboard when they predictably fail. 

I think everyone basically agrees that Colt has some good qualities (the dreaded "moxie") and that the stake through the heart is arm strength, or lack of it. He did play poorly last year, With the "DA decision of horror" (AA, 2011) a weekly occurrence. He regressed in all phases. But I can't tell if it's because he sucks, the team sucks, or what.

We all know most young quarterbacks look absolutely horrible until they figure it out. Of course, some never do. 

Point is, the kid can improve. It's been known to happen. The arm strength thing is overblown. It is an issue. The ball tends to float. But I think that can improve as well. The dude threw 950 six yard passes last year. That's not because he can't throw the ball 10 yards. I don't know WHAT that was, maybe Shurmer does.

Reaching for a QB at the top of the draft because of "measurables" isn't good policy IMO.

SD:

Cmon man after 20 games of shyte  the turd is gonna flip a switch and now be good.

If the Browns thought that they wouldn't have attempted to  Mortagge Berea to cap the chapter on his sorry ass and but an end to the nightmare experiment gone wrong that is Eboller Stewart McCoy .

Just because  shes the last broad in the bar at 2:00 Am  closing and your drunk as a skunk   and that liquor  keeps telling you  she's Lohan , don't mean she aint the skunk with warts you wouldn't let shine your shoes at 9:00 Pm when you were still sober.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 3:40 PM

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Oh good Poppa, thanks for dropping in. Let me ask you something. It's been asked of you before, but I never saw you answer. If you did, my apologies and refresh my memory:

Why did you endlessly pimp Quinn? He was/is weak armed, inaccurate, etc. When given the car keys he was laughably horrible. Yet he always got your undying support, while McCoy should be thrown into a pit of fire ants.

No physical tools? NOT ONE? Well, yeah I've admitted his arm could be better. He scrambles well, and moves the chains on broken plays, is that a physical tool?

On Tannehill, I keep seeing "physical tools" this and that. Obviously, DA had great physical tools. He also happens to be a terrible NFL QB.

I respect your football IQ, your no dummy, I'll give you that. Myself, I'm ignant of the college game. I never even know who the players are until draft time comes around. In doing some cursory research on Tannehill, I see that last year he threw 3 picks in 3 seperate games. Visions of DA dance in my head.

You want to draft a guy like that #effin4 overall? You are actually advocating trading a 1st round pick to move up for this guy? There's an agenda here, man. You posted some trumped up bull about Richardson=Hardesty because he got his knee scoped last month. Then the guy goes out and torches everybody on his pro day. Not a mention of his creaky, arthritic knees.

Like I said, you and SD I respect your opinions, but also you guys completely ignore mitigating ( and very real) counter-arguments on the subject of young Colt's season from Hell. 

I am so completely and totally and completely sick of the Browns blowing top 7 draft picks. 10 in the last 14 years! It's insane. Now your advocating what you admit is a reach because in your mind there is no other available option. But there is.

Measurables? At #4 we need someone who can step in and contribute immediately, not someone who looks great getting off the team bus.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 3:42 PM

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SD 74

Just because  shes the last broad in the bar at 2:00 Am  closing and your drunk as a skunk   and that liquor  keeps telling you  she's Lohan , don't mean she aint the skunk with warts you wouldn't let shine your shoes at 9:00 Pm when you were still sober.


Another variation on the classic. And FYI, as long as the warts aint in the genital area, she's good to go in my book.

YMMV.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:03 PM

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If the Browns thought that they wouldn't have attempted to  Mortagge Berea to cap the chapter on his sorry ass and but an end to the nightmare experiment gone wrong that is Eboller Stewart McCoy .


Hyperbole and exaggeration are the go-to arrows in your quiver.

If RG3 is truly the phenom he's made out to be, paying market rate to acquire his services doesn't mean the club doesn't believe that McCoy can be a baller. Like you don't know that. 

Like those gangsters said to Ethan Hawke in "Training Day"- "this was business".

Or is it bidness?

Colt knows the deal, Homie's talked to him, and Colt I'm sure is fired up to shove it up everyone's ass. I'm sure you and Pops will relunctantly eat crow if he does.

There's all kinds of motivation, maybe Homie isn't as brain dead as you think.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:36 PM

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gomjabber wrote: Oh good Poppa, thanks for dropping in. Let me ask you something. It's been asked of you before, but I never saw you answer. If you did, my apologies and refresh my memory:

Why did you endlessly pimp Quinn? He was/is weak armed, inaccurate, etc. When given the car keys he was laughably horrible. Yet he always got your undying support, while McCoy should be thrown into a pit of fire ants.

No physical tools? NOT ONE? Well, yeah I've admitted his arm could be better. He scrambles well, and moves the chains on broken plays, is that a physical tool?

On Tannehill, I keep seeing "physical tools" this and that. Obviously, DA had great physical tools. He also happens to be a terrible NFL QB.

I respect your football IQ, your no dummy, I'll give you that. Myself, I'm ignant of the college game. I never even know who the players are until draft time comes around. In doing some cursory research on Tannehill, I see that last year he threw 3 picks in 3 seperate games. Visions of DA dance in my head.

You want to draft a guy like that #effin4 overall? You are actually advocating trading a 1st round pick to move up for this guy? There's an agenda here, man. You posted some trumped up bull about Richardson=Hardesty because he got his knee scoped last month. Then the guy goes out and torches everybody on his pro day. Not a mention of his creaky, arthritic knees.

Like I said, you and SD I respect your opinions, but also you guys completely ignore mitigating ( and very real) counter-arguments on the subject of young Colt's season from Hell. 

I am so completely and totally and completely sick of the Browns blowing top 7 draft picks. 10 in the last 14 years! It's insane. Now your advocating what you admit is a reach because in your mind there is no other available option. But there is.

Measurables? At #4 we need someone who can step in and contribute immediately, not someone who looks great getting off the team bus.
SD:

Colt was the contributing factor to the season of hell.

Instead of growth we got regression .

he is incapable of making others around him better the  flat out job description for a backup .

The Browns need a starter, with McCoy we field the 6th worse QB in the division.

Yep McCoy is worse than two of the backups in this divison including one thats on our own team .

My question to you , is how our you so blind to that  poor a quality  of play  ,
just because he wears seal and Brown  or because you only have radio feed and never saw a game .????



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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:46 PM

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gomjabber wrote: If the Browns thought that they wouldn't have attempted to  Mortagge Berea to cap the chapter on his sorry ass and but an end to the nightmare experiment gone wrong that is Eboller Stewart McCoy .


Hyperbole and exaggeration are the go-to arrows in your quiver.

If RG3 is truly the phenom he's made out to be, paying market rate to acquire his services doesn't mean the club doesn't believe that McCoy can be a baller. Like you don't know that. 

Like those gangsters said to Ethan Hawke in "Training Day"- "this was business".

Or is it bidness?

Colt knows the deal, Homie's talked to him, and Colt I'm sure is fired up to shove it up everyone's ass. I'm sure you and Pops will relunctantly eat crow if he does.

There's all kinds of motivation, maybe Homie isn't as brain dead as you think.
SD:

look here Holmes , i admire your Moxy , but don't kid yourself .

Peeps don't throw three number ones on the table to trip the trigger on a funky backup ,
they have scheduled for the slag heap .

draft Tannehill and and tightenup all the buttholes around Berea .

End of this season when all else is lost you ease him in and you have a trained starter for next year instead of trying this thing with a bare ass rookie .

The two headed Monster of Colt and Seneca nation combine to win ten games and get us in the playoffs and our #1 don't see a snap , whats wrong wit dat .

All the peeps in hell will be sippin mint juleps and all will be right in the World .

But the reality is your boi tis but cannon fodder until we can find better , on the real  thats it thats all.

I ain't mad at him , he just ain't good enough .

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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:53 PM

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>>Peeps don't throw three number ones on the table to trip the trigger on a funky backup.<<


Here's the thing I can't get past, though, SD.  You're right, they wouldn't throw 3 first round picks after a QB unless they were damn sure he was a FQB.  But I find it pretty hard to believe that they would do that if they thought there was another FQB just waiting for them at 4 if they failed.  You or I or anybody might think Tannehill is a sure-fire FQB, but I somehow doubt our front office does - and the major effort after RGIII is proof of that, IMO.

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Posted: 4/1/2012 9:28 PM

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"You or I or anybody might think Tannehill is a sure-fire FQB, but I somehow doubt our front office does - and the major effort after RGIII is proof of that, IMO."

-- I think the whole deal to move up is interesting. If it was as describied,it sounds like the Browns were willing to move heaven and earth to get to #2. Even to the point of embarrassing themselves and asking yet again in a one-offer deal.

Or- they knew the deck was stacked against them with the Fisher/Shanahan relationship and just offered what they did to keep the fanbase and the Lerners happy? The one-offer deal was just a smokescreen? The second offer was done at a Lerner request/order?

Or some other possibility?

At any rate, I do agree that the body language to Colt was not positive. And I do question whether the FO- not the Lerners or the fanbase- think Tannehill is a real #4 draft pick.

Again, I worry that decisions will be impacted by Randy's "wisdom" at some point. That would be unfortunate.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:58 PM

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daddywags wrote: >>Peeps don't throw three number ones on the table to trip the trigger on a funky backup.<<


Here's the thing I can't get past, though, SD.  You're right, they wouldn't throw 3 first round picks after a QB unless they were damn sure he was a FQB.  But I find it pretty hard to believe that they would do that if they thought there was another FQB just waiting for them at 4 if they failed.  You or I or anybody might think Tannehill is a sure-fire FQB, but I somehow doubt our front office does - and the major effort after RGIII is proof of that, IMO.
SD:

Tanne is worth our pick at four  if you are astute enough to understand its in your best interest to draft him now and shelf him , than to revisit this crap aian next year in the same position .

Tannehill in 2013 after a year of our system and possibly netting some actual game expereince beats anything in next years daft including and especially barkley who is on schedule to be Matt lieheart II

King has joined the band wagon having us pick him at four  and their are now a half a dozen teams doing their due dilligience around him ,   which could present trade options for Cleveland or even warrant people trading above Clevelands pick at four to get him .

posted this link in another post .

Eagles/Tannehill ... and, for that matter, Chiefs/Tannehill.

A contingent of Philadelphia Eagles will be in College Station, Texas, today for a private workout with quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

"I don't really know why,'' Tannehill told me Saturday night. "I'll just get ready to throw for them and do my best.''

Fact is, this is the time of year -- 24 days before Round 1 -- when teams buzz from town to town to get their drafting ducks in a row. The Eagles working out Tannehill could just be Philly doing its due diligence on a good player. That's what it probably is. But with the Eagles and quarterbacks, you never know. It could be more. The Eagles wouldn't seem to have a quarterback need, with Michael Vick set to play the season at 32, and the Eagles wouldn't seem to have the ammo to move up from their 15th spot in the first round -- without including their 2013 first-rounder -- to get their talons on a quarterback who might be picked as high as fourth (by Cleveland).



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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:19 PM

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KEO:

I think the whole deal to move up is interesting. If it was as describied,it sounds like the Browns were willing to move heaven and earth to get to #2. Even to the point of embarrassing themselves and asking yet again in a one-offer deal.

AA:

There's always a danger in tipping your hand.  It obviously doesn't sit well with incumbants if it doesn't fly, and it puts out an image of your club coming up short.  But the Browns liked Griffin enough to forego that, and it sure strikes me that they were victimized by a good ol' boy relationship that effectively left them odd man out for no legit reason.

KEO:

Or- they knew the deck was stacked against them with the Fisher/Shanahan relationship and just offered what they did to keep the fanbase and the Lerners happy?

AA:

Not worth creating the above problems.

KEO:

The one-offer deal was just a smokescreen?

AA:

He said, she said. 

KEO:

The second offer was done at a Lerner request/order?

AA:

That conveniently fits in with your Lerner worldview, but not with reality that's been reported.

KEO:

At any rate, I do agree that the body language to Colt was not positive. And I do question whether the FO- not the Lerners or the fanbase- think Tannehill is a real #4 draft pick.

AA:

I don't know that Lerner cares one way or the other about Tannehill.  He'll still profess to know nuthin' 'bout birthin' babies or analyzing qb's.  All he's stated was that he wants the qb situation to be resolved, and it's up to H&H to make that happen.

People have to seriously question how they viewed Tannehill a month ago versus now, and why the estimation of him THEN was...

he'd be a decent pickup at #22, but what we REALLY WANT IS GRIFFIN....

to NOW...

Tannehill HAS to be the pick at #4, and perhaps even necessary to trade up to #3 for get him.

SD put it well in the first post in this thread.

Teams can't help themselves.

Certainly the Jags, Vikings and Titans couldn't last year.

KEO:

Again, I worry that decisions will be impacted by Randy's "wisdom" at some point. That would be unfortunate.

AA:

If H&H are soooo concerned with mom's wish for a grandkid, they're in the wrong business.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 2:20 PM

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"KEO:

I think the whole deal to move up is interesting. If it was as describied,it sounds like the Browns were willing to move heaven and earth to get to #2. Even to the point of embarrassing themselves and asking yet again in a one-offer deal.

AA:

There's always a danger in tipping your hand. It obviously doesn't sit well with incumbants if it doesn't fly, and it puts out an image of your club coming up short. But the Browns liked Griffin enough to forego that, and it sure strikes me that they were victimized by a good ol' boy relationship that effectively left them odd man out for no legit reason.

KEO:

Or- they knew the deck was stacked against them with the Fisher/Shanahan relationship and just offered what they did to keep the fanbase and the Lerners happy?

AA:

Not worth creating the above problems.

KEO:

The one-offer deal was just a smokescreen?

AA:

He said, she said."

-- It is a confusing situation when you look at it. Did the Browns know about any StL & Washington relationship going in to the deal? Was it a factor? Why did the Rams go with a one-deal format even though it may have- and perhaps did- cost them?

It can go from "good ol' boy relationship" to "he said, she said".

This is at least relevant comment on the FO and how they are perceived and operate. Many questions, no real answers.

"KEO:

The second offer was done at a Lerner request/order?

AA:

That conveniently fits in with your Lerner worldview, but not with reality that's been reported."

-- Hey, if Randy will leave the Browns alone, I'll leave him alone. Seems simple to me. Next time you see him, let him know.

To the limited extent I have a "worldview" of Randy, this does fit it to a large extent, doesn't it? Many questions, no real answers. Lots of opinions bandied about. Lots of power and money that may or may not be used. Good stuff. Or not so good.

"KEO:

At any rate, I do agree that the body language to Colt was not positive. And I do question whether the FO- not the Lerners or the fanbase- think Tannehill is a real #4 draft pick.

AA:

I don't know that Lerner cares one way or the other about Tannehill. He'll still profess to know nuthin' 'bout birthin' babies or analyzing qb's. All he's stated was that he wants the qb situation to be resolved, and it's up to H&H to make that happen."

-- Again, lots of unknowns to go with money and power. Just the way some rich people like it. Not Randy, necessarily. 

I thought the Lerners and the Browns were distant from each other until Randy had to be quoted about QBs and how he thought things should be.

 But my only real point is that a free FO may have intelligent doubts about Tannehill at #4. Whether he's a QB or not. Other than Randy's quotes, we have no evidence that our FO isn't at least free. It may be incompetent and slow. But it's free of controller wisdom- as far as we know at this point.

"KEO:

Again, I worry that decisions will be impacted by Randy's "wisdom" at some point. That would be unfortunate.

AA:

If H&H are soooo concerned with mom's wish for a grandkid, they're in the wrong business."

-- If "mom" has lots of power and money, that does carry some weight. No evidence that it's poorly used, of course. Nope. No known evidence. The record under the Lerners does sometimes make the fanbase a little...  anxious.

It can be argued that H&H don't appear to be in the "wrong business" based on their overall track records. We've got that going for us.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 2:43 PM

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>>Tannehill in 2013 after a year of our system and possibly netting some actual game expereince beats anything in next years daft including and especially barkley who is on schedule to be Matt lieheart II<<

SD - I have no doubt you'll find somebody for us to fall in love with next year.  Probably several "somebody's."  wink

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:09 PM

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KEO:

The one-offer deal was just a smokescreen?

AA:

The smokescreen appeared to be St. Louis having pre-determined the outcome.

KEO:

Did the Browns know about any StL & Washington relationship going in to the deal? Was it a factor? Why did the Rams go with a one-deal format even though it may have- and perhaps did- cost them?

AA:

Yes, yes, and because the format WAS the smokescreen.  It's like the Pentagon issuing a contract bid on military hardware that has specific criteria designed so that a preferred contractor wins the bid.

KEO:

-- Hey, if Randy will leave the Browns alone, I'll leave him alone. Seems simple to me.

AA:

Shouldn't be a problem since there is no evidence that he inserted himself into the negotiations. But if you have a view that this is essentially Lerner's personality,  then there's no rest for the weary.  The paranoids will ALWAYS be after you.

I don't know that Lerner cares one way or the other about Tannehill. He'll still profess to know nuthin' 'bout birthin' babies or analyzing qb's. All he's stated was that he wants the qb situation to be resolved, and it's up to H&H to make that happen."

KEO:

Again, lots of unknowns to go with money and power. Just the way some rich people like it. Not Randy, necessarily.

AA:

Cynicism is the refuge of the ignorant.  Lacking knowledge of such things, assumptions fill in the blanks.
People who don't follow the news only know that they're all crooks and should be voted out of office.

KEO:
I thought the Lerners and the Browns were distant from each other until Randy had to be quoted about QBs and how he thought things should be.

AA:

Lerner merely wanted the club to resolve its qb situation-- certainly a sentiment shared by most fans.  As to HOW the club does that and WHEN was not specified.  Fans are much more vocal about that. 

But if Randy says nothing, he's disengaged.  If he says something, he's sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong.

KEO:

But my only real point is that a free FO may have intelligent doubts about Tannehill at #4. Whether he's a QB or not. Other than Randy's quotes, we have no evidence that our FO isn't at least free. It may be incompetent and slow. But it's free of controller wisdom- as far as we know at this point.

AA:

This is the same thought process that brings us the notion that Obama says he's not Muslim, and I suppose I'[ll have to take him at his word and figure it's true as far as we know at this point.

KEO:

If "mom" has lots of power and money, that does carry some weight.   No evidence that it's poorly used, of course. Nope. No known evidence. The record under the Lerners does sometimes make the fanbase a little...  anxious.

AA:

Yep, no known evidence of Barack HUSSEIN Obama being a Muslim.  Yet people somehow make themselves a little.... anxious over.... nothing.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:39 PM

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daddywags wrote: >>Tannehill in 2013 after a year of our system and possibly netting some actual game expereince beats anything in next years daft including and especially barkley who is on schedule to be Matt lieheart II<<

SD - I have no doubt you'll find somebody for us to fall in love with next year.  Probably several "somebody's."  wink

SD:

I'm on record to use the pick on tanne  with the option to revisit again next year if he doesn't proress enough you can forego whats available next year .

Its no different to expend three picks on the position for one guy  to use two   or three years of number ones to address the position if need be .

Just that every year you have to revisit means its another year in the hopper before you get on track .

There is no Andrew luck in next years draft or a Cam Newton  , The kid from WSU  has an RG3 like potential as a playmaker and the Arky kid  will be good , while the VT  kid has Newtons size , but trips over his own size 17 shoes getting out of his own way his athleticism is so poor .

The draft next year is like the remaining landscape left this year .

Your picking the best of the worst  best guess.

Tanne in three years will be 25   trained and if  he's a franchise talent  in wait ready to show it , while Weeded will be 30 years old  and need an oxygen pack , although he's a better candidate to play right now .

Shelf the kid grow him up and  kill all the pawns in front of him until he's forced to defend the castle.

Sacrifice Colt twice  for the cause.

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
gomjabber wrote: Oh good Poppa, thanks for dropping in. Let me ask you something. It's been asked of you before, but I never saw you answer. If you did, my apologies and refresh my memory:

Why did you endlessly pimp Quinn? He was/is weak armed, inaccurate, etc. When given the car keys he was laughably horrible. Yet he always got your undying support, while McCoy should be thrown into a pit of fire ants.

No physical tools? NOT ONE? Well, yeah I've admitted his arm could be better. He scrambles well, and moves the chains on broken plays, is that a physical tool?

On Tannehill, I keep seeing "physical tools" this and that. Obviously, DA had great physical tools. He also happens to be a terrible NFL QB.

I respect your football IQ, your no dummy, I'll give you that. Myself, I'm ignant of the college game. I never even know who the players are until draft time comes around. In doing some cursory research on Tannehill, I see that last year he threw 3 picks in 3 seperate games. Visions of DA dance in my head.

You want to draft a guy like that #effin4 overall? You are actually advocating trading a 1st round pick to move up for this guy? There's an agenda here, man. You posted some trumped up bull about Richardson=Hardesty because he got his knee scoped last month. Then the guy goes out and torches everybody on his pro day. Not a mention of his creaky, arthritic knees.

Like I said, you and SD I respect your opinions, but also you guys completely ignore mitigating ( and very real) counter-arguments on the subject of young Colt's season from Hell. 

I am so completely and totally and completely sick of the Browns blowing top 7 draft picks. 10 in the last 14 years! It's insane. Now your advocating what you admit is a reach because in your mind there is no other available option. But there is.

Measurables? At #4 we need someone who can step in and contribute immediately, not someone who looks great getting off the team bus.
SD:

Colt was the contributing factor to the season of hell.

Instead of growth we got regression .

he is incapable of making others around him better the  flat out job description for a backup .

The Browns need a starter, with McCoy we field the 6th worse QB in the division.

Yep McCoy is worse than two of the backups in this divison including one thats on our own team .

My question to you , is how our you so blind to that  poor a quality  of play  ,
just because he wears seal and Brown  or because you only have radio feed and never saw a game .????



SoulDawg
Indeed Colt had a poor year.  How much of that do you attribute to Shurmur?

As an aside, McNabb has publicly called out Shanahan, claiming that Shanahan will surely ruin RGlll.  McNabb may be a bitter guy, but he does have a basis for opinion and it is a poor opinion of Shanahan needing QBs to dance to his tune.

My point, if there is one, Shurmur has to grow for this offense to be better.  Currently Childress is getting high praise as a QB coach and coordinator. McCoy has the same limitations as Smith in SF and now without Luck or RGlll, I don't see a QB who has a skill set and on-field experience to be better than Colt  in 2012.  The Luck/Griffin ship has sailed.  Flynn while an upgrade may not have been seen as an elite or with a significantly higher ceiling than Colt.

It is all on HHS.  If they didn't get it right they deserve the whole load they will receive.  It is HHS that chose to pass on QB. It is HHS that has chosen to pass on FA. It is HHS that has chosen to go into 12 relying on their expertise in drafting and with 13 picks there are no excuses for failure.

For me, I will do my best to chill.  An unlikely happenstance, but I will try.  I even got a new supply of:

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Posted: 4/2/2012 5:20 PM

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AA:

There's always a danger in tipping your hand.  It obviously doesn't sit well with incumbants if it doesn't fly, and it puts out an image of your club coming up short.  But the Browns liked Griffin enough to forego that, and it sure strikes me that they were victimized by a good ol' boy relationship that effectively left them odd man out for no legit reason

RR:

I read somewhere where Fisher and the Rams thought the deal offered by the Redskins was a better deal for them. It gives them two first round picks in 2012, 13, 14   and that allows them flexibility and CAP advantages.

And there still is the question of the late offer by Mike.  If he did hold his best offer until the close of bidding.....
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Posted: 4/2/2012 5:30 PM

Re: QB will be the first three picks in this years draft 


AA:

Lerner merely wanted the club to resolve its qb situation-- certainly a sentiment shared by most fans.  As to HOW the club does that and WHEN was not specified.  Fans are much more vocal about that. 

But if Randy says nothing, he's disengaged.  If he says something, he's sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong.

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Ooh Ooh Ooh, Mr Cartervark...I know....I know...Randy can back up the Brinks truck to Berea, Tell HHS to use what they must, then return to Boubon Street.

problem solved!
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