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RE: Why not drop back to 6?

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Posted: 3/19/2012 4:19 PM

RE: Why not drop back to 6? 




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Yeah, the cap factor especially makes Kalil an option. Two things about that... First, the only knock on Kalil is that he's not the best road grader type blocker, which is what your RT usually is. Second, they'd better start working on his second contract before the ink is dry on the first or he'll only be a 3 year solution. Regardless of those, I love the idea, because the only decent offense we've seen here since the return was 2007 when we had a stellar Oline. Kalil at RT locks that up. 

All that said, I love Cordy Glenn, a big dancing bear of an OL prospect with 36" long arms, at #22. That would solve the RT too and let you take Blackmon.


4. Ryan Kalil, OT (A LT at RT. Especially smart with the versatile Steinbach out of the mix.)
22. Kendall Wright, WR (Read that his slow 40 times were caused by a technique flaw.)
37. Zach Brown, OLB (Speed kills.)
68. Markelle Martin, FS (Makes a dynamic dual with Ward. Lightening and Thunder.)



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4. Justin Blackmon, WR (Instant #1. Great kid.)
22. Cordy Glenn (Huge, long arms, great feet.)
37. Zach Brown, OLB
68. Markelle Martin, FS



PROSECUTOR wrote: Vinnie the Fly says Kalil is on the Browns short list at #4. They have nothing at RT since Pashos was released. Kalil would be the BPA at #4 and could be moved to LT if Thomas gets hurt. 

Heckert said they're going to be drafting offensive linemen. Holmgren said they need to run the ball effectively and protect McCoy better if he's going to have any chance of success. I haven't heard that they are pursuing any free agent RTs. 

I agree you normally don't take a RT in the top 5, but I really don't think the Browns want to go with Blackmon at #4 and their secondary is the strongest unit on the team, so Claiborne might not be the best choice.

Top five picks don't cost as much as they did previously, so if you can get one of the top RT's in football who can also switch over to LT if needed, it probably makes sense. I can really see the Browns taking him if he's there. Every year they decide to make the prudent but unspectular move. Alex Mack over Sanchez, Phil Taylor over Julio Jones, Joe Thomas over Adrian Peterson - the Browns always go for singles over the home run. They're all about risk aversion. Did I mention they didn't get RG3 and had zero interest in Matt Flynn?


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Air, I like it as in I'm okay with it. I do want an OT. See it as the weakest link IMO Claireborne
Is going 3.  Kalil may go 3.  I would take either at 4.  Getting an OT in the first is good. I am weary with poor O L play.    Not a fan of drafting a WR without a QB or an OL but using 22 & 37 to get an OL may work
Pinkerton, Lavao, Pashos were awful last year and I see little chance of them improving to form a quality OL .

I read a report that Pashos was good when available.  Not a good run blocker but a good pass blocker.  Not sure of that, but he apparently graded better than I remember him playing.  Pinkerston was dreadful and especially poor at recognizing pass rush.  Lauvao graded better than Pinkerston, but both were poor offensive guards.  We need a lot of help at OL and any QB behind this line is in trouble.

edited to correct placement and clarify.

Last edited 3/19/2012 8:15 PM by redright

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Posted: 3/19/2012 4:28 PM

RE: Why not drop back to 6? 


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Any other OLs you like in the opening rounds?
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Posted: 3/20/2012 2:08 PM

RE: Why not drop back to 6? 


I've been mostly fixated on Glenn, fretting about the Bengals swiping him. There's usually one or two I hear about and want... and never get. I just think Glenn has a load of physical ability and upside. I'd plug him right in at RT. Not as high on Mike Adams, because where was the dominance his whole career?

Some past pre-draft Oline infatuations I've had are Andre Gurode, Winston Justice, Max Jean-Gilles, Doug Free, Charles Spencer, Brandon Carter. I'm no expert... some hits and misses but guys I did mock draft. Sort of random, based on mostly what I read leading up to the draft. Gurode is the guy I liked the most ever... After I saw him drive a Nebraska LB from the 10 yard line, over the goal line, through the endzone, past the cheerleaders, and into the bleacher fence. Best block I've ever seen.


redright wrote: Sorry. I-touch error

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Any other OLs you like in the opening rounds?

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Posted: 3/20/2012 2:15 PM

RE: Why not drop back to 6? 


Red, I wouldn't give up on Pinkston and Lauvau yet. Put an excellent RT out there and they're each surrounded by excellence which should help them learn. As you know lines in general take a while to gel. Losing Steinback, having two young G's, and the struggles at RT explain last year. I do think they should take another swing or three at more Oline help (after the RT) late or via UDFA. You always need some developmental guys working in the background.



redright wrote:

Air, I like it as in I'm okay with it. I do want an OT. See it as the weakest link IMO Claireborne
Is going 3.  Kalil may go 3.  I would take either at 4.  Getting an OT in the first is good. I am weary with poor O L play.    Not a fan of drafting a WR without a QB or an OL but using 22 & 37 to get an OL may work
Pinkerton, Lavao, Pashos were awful last year and I see little chance of them improving to form a quality OL .

I read a report that Pashos was good when available.  Not a good run blocker but a good pass blocker.  Not sure of that, but he apparently graded better than I remember him playing.  Pinkerston was dreadful and especially poor at recognizing pass rush.  Lauvao graded better than Pinkerston, but both were poor offensive guards.  We need a lot of help at OL and any QB behind this line is in trouble.

edited to correct placement and clarify.

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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:05 AM

RE: Why not drop back to 6? 


Air:
"I've been mostly fixated on Glenn, fretting about the Bengals swiping him."

You are justified fretting.  He won't last until #22.

Draft experts don't like Kalil going as a RT because of his strengths and weakness.  But if available at #4, and there are no great trade down offers, I would love this pick.
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