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Re: Something interesting here...

Posted: 2/8/2012 3:33 PM

Re: Something interesting here... 


"The passing game is exponentially more important today than it was even then. "


I just think you guys who discuss this topic "run game vs pass game" are tending to disassociate
these two aspects of the game too much. Even if I conceded that the passing game - especially if you are in possession of an elite QB - is somewhat ascendant, I cannot ignore or reject the importance of a strong run game - especially if you don't have an elite QB - which 75% of the league does not.

Those Giant stats are very misleading. Look at their running stats versus regular season....they ran much more successfully in the post season. IMO it was the distinct advantage they had over New England in the SB. Fact is STRONG RUNNING game only enhances STRONG PASSING game, it in no way detracts from it.

I would much rather line up in 2012 with Flynn/McCoy + Richardson/Hillis + Jeffery/Little/Cribbs
than I would with Flynn/McCoy + Hillis/Hardesty + Jeffery/Little/Cribbs.

Two genuine threats at RB + 3 BIG receivers - works BETTER TOGETHER!
4th quarter, need 1 first down to seal victory - do you want SOLID double threat run + pass or
"we can really only pass" kinda team?

All of this doubles in relevance IF YOU PLAY OUTSIDE + DON'T HAVE ELITE QB (which 75% of
league uncluding us) do not have.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 3:54 PM

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gadfly23 wrote: "The passing game is exponentially more important today than it was even then. "


I just think you guys who discuss this topic "run game vs pass game" are tending to disassociate
these two aspects of the game too much. Even if I conceded that the passing game - especially if you are in possession of an elite QB - is somewhat ascendant, I cannot ignore or reject the importance of a strong run game - especially if you don't have an elite QB - which 75% of the league does not.

Those Giant stats are very misleading. Look at their running stats versus regular season....they ran much more successfully in the post season. IMO it was the distinct advantage they had over New England in the SB. Fact is STRONG RUNNING game only enhances STRONG PASSING game, it in no way detracts from it.

I would much rather line up in 2012 with Flynn/McCoy + Richardson/Hillis + Jeffery/Little/Cribbs
than I would with Flynn/McCoy + Hillis/Hardesty + Jeffery/Little/Cribbs.

Two genuine threats at RB + 3 BIG receivers - works BETTER TOGETHER!
4th quarter, need 1 first down to seal victory - do you want SOLID double threat run + pass or
"we can really only pass" kinda team?

All of this doubles in relevance IF YOU PLAY OUTSIDE + DON'T HAVE ELITE QB (which 75% of
league uncluding us) do not have.
SD:

Well if your saying we could do that sans an elite QB , then RG3 > than Flynn Mccoy > greater than any other combo you put together.

We have hobbled ourselves with no QB for far too long , we now have a chance to rectify that with an elite pick which enhances every other position on this team on both sides of the ball .

Richardson is not Jim Brown , but RG3 would be  the greatest talent to ever  line up at the QB position in a Browns uniform sense Otto Graham .

and

He only won seven championships in ten years while playing in the championship game every year he played.

Yeah who wants production like that.


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Posted: 2/8/2012 4:30 PM

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Well if your saying we could do that sans an elite QB , then RG3 > than Flynn Mccoy > greater than any other combo you put together.

Except obtaining RGIII will ELIMINATE acquisition of Richardson + Jeffery/Floyd...maybe even other parts
depending on how much you willing to spend on the guy.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 4:32 PM

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....but RG3 would be  the greatest talent to ever  line up at the QB position in a Browns uniform sense Otto Graham .


Maybe.............................and if not

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Posted: 2/8/2012 5:28 PM

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GB play outside in elements worse than Cleveland, has the games premeire passing attack and way below avg running attack.  Won their first 15 games.  

NYG play outside in elmements equal to or worse than Cleveland, has made their passing attack including WRs a priority.  Won the SB. 

NE plays outisde.  Uber passing attack, horrible running game.  2 SBs in 4 years.  

Pitt plays outside and hasn't run the ball in 5 or 6 years.  Won a SB had an appearance in another.  


Baltimore has an excellent defense, can throw it some, has a nice running game and went years without winning a playoff game until this year when they were beaten by a team that could throw the ball.  

Atlanta went 13-3 with a solid run attack.  Lost in the 1st round and traded up into the 6th spot to get a breakaway WR for the passing game.  

NYJ couldn't win the big games because they can't throw it.  

SF can defend like a mutha and run the ball but their achilles heel is their passing attack.  

Detroit is coming on because of their ability to air it out.  Sure as hell isn't their running game.  

Indy is a perenial SB contender with Manning and can't win 3 games without him.  



Being able to dictate the game with a running attack is now about 5th on the list of must be able to do's to win big in this league now.  If U want to win U better be one of those 25% with a premieire QB and U don't get one drafting a RB 4th overall. 

I survived the 4th worst owner in NFL history. 48-103 (.318). Lowest of any owner that wasn't expansion or WWII

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Posted: 2/8/2012 7:36 PM

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If U want to win U better be one of those 25% with a premieire QB and U don't get one drafting a RB 4th overall.

You can look at this way too - the 3 truly premier passers Brady + Breese + Rodgers all got beat by teams that had better run balance. Pitt, even though less so recently, has basically had reliable threat running game ever since Ben's come on board (the Bus/Parker). 4th quarter need a first to win? - Steelers jammed it down your throat.

I'm just sayin if the Browns line up next year and they are rotating Richardson/Hillis and spreading
Jeffery + Cribbs + Little + Watson they will be a bit scary IMO with either Flynn or McCoy. I've stipulated
that 1 quality addition via FA must be made to OL too.

I do like RGIII - but landing him eliminates lining up Richardson + Jeffery - two huge additions IMO.

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