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Re: A Draft Strategy You Can Believe In

Posted: 2/4/2012 9:31 AM

Re: A Draft Strategy You Can Believe In 



gadfly23 wrote:

It came to me quietly but clearly what the Browns will do.

They are not trading up. They will try to trade down.

They will select Richardson at #4 No, no they won't. Not him or any RB at 4. They'll go defense, most likely Coples.

They will select either Jeffery/Floyd or Sanu at #22 Jeffery isn't a 1st rounder, he's a future pig.
Tannehill is the pick, I just hope they don't panic and move up to get him.

They will select the best LB or DE or CB or FS available at #37 (if it's a LB it will be a hitter like Burfict or Ronnell Lewis or M. Ingram and not a speed guy like Zack Brown)Would love a ILB here and move Jackson to WSLB, but we'll take yet another 2nd round WR.

They will augment the OL via 1 quality FA acquisition. Doubt it. Heckert won't give up on his guys so soon. We're stuck with Pinky, Lavuao and Pashos. Besides, no quality offensive players will be coming to town now that Chilly is the OC. That dude has a bad rep with players around the league.

If they land Flynn they will make the playoffs. Flynn to Miami,sorry to say.

If they stick with McCoy they will have a winning record. There's no team or division in the league where McCoy can post a winning record.

If they don’t grab Flynn and RGIII is there at #4 they will take him
and win at least 7 games. We won't get either. It'll be Tannehill or Foles

Nobody's gonna tell me that landing Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram would not vastly
improve this team and it's completely doable. It's the safest, most risk free path in this draft.
As I stated, they will take RGIII if he's there at #4 and still plug in #22 and #37, but they will not
risk the heart of this draft on one pick. They will also not bring in a veteran WR like Colson because
we don't have the QB (in terms of experience) who can stand up to a cock-of-the-rock NFL WR...
see M. Sanchez and S. Holmes in NYC.

No real argument here, but it ain't going to happen. If the Browns can trade out the top 10, they could take Richardson, but I still doubt it. They just don't view RB's that highly.

Jeffery will have weight problems, think Mike Williams.

LBer's are another position that they think they can fill later in the draft. They won't take one earlier than the 4th round.

They'll try to trade down , but will get stuck at 4. With no offensive players worth a top ten pick they go defense. That's where Coples comes in.

They panic waiting for Tannehill at 22 and move up to get him, wasting a valuable pick. Most likely our 3rd.

They grab what they can get at WR with the 37th pick.

In other words, they blow this draft.

Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram = we can all sleep well. It appears you're already dreaming. I just hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.


 

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Posted: 2/4/2012 5:04 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:
gadfly23 wrote:

It came to me quietly but clearly what the Browns will do.

They are not trading up. They will try to trade down.

They will select Richardson at #4 No, no they won't. Not him or any RB at 4. They'll go defense, most likely Coples.

They will select either Jeffery/Floyd or Sanu at #22 Jeffery isn't a 1st rounder, he's a future pig.
Tannehill is the pick, I just hope they don't panic and move up to get him.

They will select the best LB or DE or CB or FS available at #37 (if it's a LB it will be a hitter like Burfict or Ronnell Lewis or M. Ingram and not a speed guy like Zack Brown)Would love a ILB here and move Jackson to WSLB, but we'll take yet another 2nd round WR.

They will augment the OL via 1 quality FA acquisition. Doubt it. Heckert won't give up on his guys so soon. We're stuck with Pinky, Lavuao and Pashos. Besides, no quality offensive players will be coming to town now that Chilly is the OC. That dude has a bad rep with players around the league.

If they land Flynn they will make the playoffs. Flynn to Miami,sorry to say.

If they stick with McCoy they will have a winning record. There's no team or division in the league where McCoy can post a winning record.

If they don’t grab Flynn and RGIII is there at #4 they will take him
and win at least 7 games. We won't get either. It'll be Tannehill or Foles

Nobody's gonna tell me that landing Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram would not vastly
improve this team and it's completely doable. It's the safest, most risk free path in this draft.
As I stated, they will take RGIII if he's there at #4 and still plug in #22 and #37, but they will not
risk the heart of this draft on one pick. They will also not bring in a veteran WR like Colson because
we don't have the QB (in terms of experience) who can stand up to a cock-of-the-rock NFL WR...
see M. Sanchez and S. Holmes in NYC.

No real argument here, but it ain't going to happen. If the Browns can trade out the top 10, they could take Richardson, but I still doubt it. They just don't view RB's that highly.

Jeffery will have weight problems, think Mike Williams.

LBer's are another position that they think they can fill later in the draft. They won't take one earlier than the 4th round.

They'll try to trade down , but will get stuck at 4. With no offensive players worth a top ten pick they go defense. That's where Coples comes in.

They panic waiting for Tannehill at 22 and move up to get him, wasting a valuable pick. Most likely our 3rd.

They grab what they can get at WR with the 37th pick.

In other words, they blow this draft.

Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram = we can all sleep well. It appears you're already dreaming. I just hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.


 

yes, poppa it is in their DNA to trade down.  These guys are so good at drafting they can always get a better guy by trading down. I know. Ask them.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 6:43 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:
gadfly23 wrote:

It came to me quietly but clearly what the Browns will do.

They are not trading up. They will try to trade down.

They will select Richardson at #4 No, no they won't. Not him or any RB at 4. They'll go defense, most likely Coples.

They will select either Jeffery/Floyd or Sanu at #22 Jeffery isn't a 1st rounder, he's a future pig.
Tannehill is the pick, I just hope they don't panic and move up to get him.

They will select the best LB or DE or CB or FS available at #37 (if it's a LB it will be a hitter like Burfict or Ronnell Lewis or M. Ingram and not a speed guy like Zack Brown)Would love a ILB here and move Jackson to WSLB, but we'll take yet another 2nd round WR.

They will augment the OL via 1 quality FA acquisition. Doubt it. Heckert won't give up on his guys so soon. We're stuck with Pinky, Lavuao and Pashos. Besides, no quality offensive players will be coming to town now that Chilly is the OC. That dude has a bad rep with players around the league.

If they land Flynn they will make the playoffs. Flynn to Miami,sorry to say.

If they stick with McCoy they will have a winning record. There's no team or division in the league where McCoy can post a winning record.

If they don’t grab Flynn and RGIII is there at #4 they will take him
and win at least 7 games. We won't get either. It'll be Tannehill or Foles

Nobody's gonna tell me that landing Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram would not vastly
improve this team and it's completely doable. It's the safest, most risk free path in this draft.
As I stated, they will take RGIII if he's there at #4 and still plug in #22 and #37, but they will not
risk the heart of this draft on one pick. They will also not bring in a veteran WR like Colson because
we don't have the QB (in terms of experience) who can stand up to a cock-of-the-rock NFL WR...
see M. Sanchez and S. Holmes in NYC.

No real argument here, but it ain't going to happen. If the Browns can trade out the top 10, they could take Richardson, but I still doubt it. They just don't view RB's that highly.

Jeffery will have weight problems, think Mike Williams.

LBer's are another position that they think they can fill later in the draft. They won't take one earlier than the 4th round.

They'll try to trade down , but will get stuck at 4. With no offensive players worth a top ten pick they go defense. That's where Coples comes in.

They panic waiting for Tannehill at 22 and move up to get him, wasting a valuable pick. Most likely our 3rd.

They grab what they can get at WR with the 37th pick.

In other words, they blow this draft.

Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram = we can all sleep well. It appears you're already dreaming. I just hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.


 

ehh, if they end up with Coples, Tannehill & Sanu, a case can easily be made that aint bad.

I understand being down on the coach, and disappointed in Holmgren (though I dont agree with that), but geez, Heckert too?
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Posted: 2/4/2012 8:17 PM

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yogi8 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote:
gadfly23 wrote:

It came to me quietly but clearly what the Browns will do.

They are not trading up. They will try to trade down.

They will select Richardson at #4 No, no they won't. Not him or any RB at 4. They'll go defense, most likely Coples.

They will select either Jeffery/Floyd or Sanu at #22 Jeffery isn't a 1st rounder, he's a future pig.
Tannehill is the pick, I just hope they don't panic and move up to get him.

They will select the best LB or DE or CB or FS available at #37 (if it's a LB it will be a hitter like Burfict or Ronnell Lewis or M. Ingram and not a speed guy like Zack Brown)Would love a ILB here and move Jackson to WSLB, but we'll take yet another 2nd round WR.

They will augment the OL via 1 quality FA acquisition. Doubt it. Heckert won't give up on his guys so soon. We're stuck with Pinky, Lavuao and Pashos. Besides, no quality offensive players will be coming to town now that Chilly is the OC. That dude has a bad rep with players around the league.

If they land Flynn they will make the playoffs. Flynn to Miami,sorry to say.

If they stick with McCoy they will have a winning record. There's no team or division in the league where McCoy can post a winning record.

If they don’t grab Flynn and RGIII is there at #4 they will take him
and win at least 7 games. We won't get either. It'll be Tannehill or Foles

Nobody's gonna tell me that landing Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram would not vastly
improve this team and it's completely doable. It's the safest, most risk free path in this draft.
As I stated, they will take RGIII if he's there at #4 and still plug in #22 and #37, but they will not
risk the heart of this draft on one pick. They will also not bring in a veteran WR like Colson because
we don't have the QB (in terms of experience) who can stand up to a cock-of-the-rock NFL WR...
see M. Sanchez and S. Holmes in NYC.

No real argument here, but it ain't going to happen. If the Browns can trade out the top 10, they could take Richardson, but I still doubt it. They just don't view RB's that highly.

Jeffery will have weight problems, think Mike Williams.

LBer's are another position that they think they can fill later in the draft. They won't take one earlier than the 4th round.

They'll try to trade down , but will get stuck at 4. With no offensive players worth a top ten pick they go defense. That's where Coples comes in.

They panic waiting for Tannehill at 22 and move up to get him, wasting a valuable pick. Most likely our 3rd.

They grab what they can get at WR with the 37th pick.

In other words, they blow this draft.

Richardson, Jeffery and Burfict/Lewis/Ingram = we can all sleep well. It appears you're already dreaming. I just hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.


 

ehh, if they end up with Coples, Tannehill & Sanu, a case can easily be made that aint bad.

I understand being down on the coach, and disappointed in Holmgren (though I dont agree with that), but geez, Heckert too?
Yogi,

I understand and agree with your thoughts, but really, isn't this the fish or cut bait season?  Heckert and Holmgren and Shurmur have to have on field positives this year. ennuie ?  Heckert has to produce an on-field product. He has been here two years and we are still stuck on ground floor. "I'm fed up and I'm not going to take it any more", is likely the cry of Browns fans if there is another season of suck.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 8:20 PM

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What has Heckert done?

Anyone on this board could pick a player in the top ten and hit on him. That Heckert picked Hayden at 7 and hit is no surprise.

But then he reached for Ward at 38 when everyone had him as 3/4 round talent. And outside of one hit last year, what impact has TJ had?

Then traded 3picks to move up to really reach in taking Hardesty. What a complete waste. What GM worth his salt takes a RB in the 2nd with 2 bad knees?

He follows that up by taking a QB with no arm and a tackle to play guard, Brilliant.

Last year he trades down and then gives away a 3rd rounder to move back up for Taylor. Stupid.

His best pick in two drafts was Sheard.

Little at 71 is JAG at WR.

Marecic, Pinky and Cameron aren't even JAG, they're just scenery

So tell me, what's so impressive about Heckert?

Talk about JAG, that's Heckert.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:34 PM

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poppa9601 wrote: What has Heckert done?

Anyone on this board could pick a player in the top ten and hit on him. That Heckert picked Hayden at 7 and hit is no surprise.

But then he reached for Ward at 38 when everyone had him as 3/4 round talent. And outside of one hit last year, what impact has TJ had?

Then traded 3picks to move up to really reach in taking Hardesty. What a complete waste. What GM worth his salt takes a RB in the 2nd with 2 bad knees?

He follows that up by taking a QB with no arm and a tackle to play guard, Brilliant.

Last year he trades down and then gives away a 3rd rounder to move back up for Taylor. Stupid.

His best pick in two drafts was Sheard.

Little at 71 is JAG at WR.

Marecic, Pinky and Cameron aren't even JAG, they're just scenery

So tell me, what's so impressive about Heckert?

Talk about JAG, that's Heckert.
Poppa, next thing we will be hearing from you is anybody with a couple of billion dollars could be as good an owner as randy.  eek1
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:46 PM

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Anyone on this board could pick a player in the top ten and hit on him...

If that's the case I wish the Browns had used this board vs picking themselves in the top 10 over the last 11 years. They would have been better off picking nothing but lineman since the return and we would have a better roster today than what they have. They've shown us that evidently it isn't that easy.

Heckert will have another very solid draft and you will see an infulx of 7-8 more players into the top 22. Will it be enough.....gonna have to wait and see.
poppa9601 wrote: What has Heckert done?

Anyone on this board could pick a player in the top ten and hit on him. That Heckert picked Hayden at 7 and hit is no surprise.

But then he reached for Ward at 38 when everyone had him as 3/4 round talent. And outside of one hit last year, what impact has TJ had?

Then traded 3picks to move up to really reach in taking Hardesty. What a complete waste. What GM worth his salt takes a RB in the 2nd with 2 bad knees?

He follows that up by taking a QB with no arm and a tackle to play guard, Brilliant.

Last year he trades down and then gives away a 3rd rounder to move back up for Taylor. Stupid.

His best pick in two drafts was Sheard.

Little at 71 is JAG at WR.

Marecic, Pinky and Cameron aren't even JAG, they're just scenery

So tell me, what's so impressive about Heckert?

Talk about JAG, that's Heckert.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 5:17 PM

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What has Heckert done?

Poppa - in his last 2 drafts 3 of his top 2 picks made Pro Football Weekly all rookie team (Hayden, Ward, Sheard and Little made Kiper's top 20 rookie list with Phil Taylor close on all lists.
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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:27 AM

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I'm really warming to the fact Flynn might be our best option. RG3 is gonna be gone at two( I think). Signing Flynn lets us draft Blackmon WR at 4, Lamar Miller RB at 22, and Joe Adams WR  with our second rounder.

Flynn/Blackmon/Miller/Adams would be a hell of a shot in the arm to the offense.

Wake me up when we are 10 and 6...

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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:15 PM

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" Another very solid draft"? I'm still waiting for the first one.

Wake me up when one of his picks makes the pro bowl.
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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:25 PM

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Wow, 2 of 3 first and second round picks didn't suck.

What happened to the other 17 picks he's had over the last 2 years?

At this rate his " build through the draft" plan will never be complete.

Only in Cleveland can a GM hit on 3 of 20 draft picks and sign NO quality FA's and still be hailed as a genius.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 1:20 PM

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Wow, 2 of 3 first and second round picks didn't suck

Can't you count..........it's not "2 of 3", it's 4 out of 5 picks made either NFL Rookie or Kiper's top 20 rooks (Ward/Hayden/Sheard/Little) and the 5 out of 5 would be P. Taylor who just missed these lists!

You've also got a starting QB, starting OG and quite a few significant contributors from the last two drafts. 
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Posted: 2/7/2012 2:28 PM

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gadfly23 wrote: Wow, 2 of 3 first and second round picks didn't suck

Can't you count..........it's not "2 of 3", it's 4 out of 5 picks made either NFL Rookie or Kiper's top 20 rooks (Ward/Hayden/Sheard/Little) and the 5 out of 5 would be P. Taylor who just missed these lists!

You've also got a starting QB, starting OG and quite a few significant contributors from the last two drafts.
Overall he's done a very solid job. Hardesty looks like a mistake but sometimes you gamble on a guy with 1st round talent but a medical issue. The Ravens weren't scared to draft Jamal Lewis #5 overall despite major knee surgery in college, and it paid off big time. Frank Gore fell several rounds because he had multiple knee problems at Miami, and he's having a terrific career. Sometimes you win, sometimes not.

In retrospect I wish Heckert hadn't taken Hardesty, but it was probably a gamble worth taking. I also wish he took Andy Dalton at #27 last year rather than trade up for Phil Taylor with a high 3rd round pick. But otherwise he's done well. It' not realistic to expect him to nail every pick.

This year he's got more draft ammunition than in either of his first two years, and a few less holes to fill. Gotta nail this one.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 3:42 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:

Anyone on this board could pick a player in the top ten and hit on him.

So Mangini and Marty never read this board or they'd know not to trade down from 5 for a good but not great center and avoid mad dogs in meat markets?

Butch and Garcia say "hi", too. 

PS - You can tell the primaries are in full force when a thread starts with this title....
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