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Re: Throwing Motion

  • redright
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Posted: 2/1/2012 10:31 PM

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Soul,  What do you do? What can you do, if Luck and RGlll are off the boars 1&2, the rest of the draftees are deemed projects and Flynn and Kolb play in Miami and Arizona?

Is there a way that Colt can be improved to competitive? We could find HHS don't trade up and can't get an experienced vet, leaving us with Colt for another year.  How do you make him more effective? Is it in his motion or vision or footwork to make him better?
SoulDawg74 wrote:
lbsouth1 wrote: Rypien had a supremely mediocre arm and McMahon had a bad wing from BYU.  

They were both caretakers of a system, all be it a slightly different system than what is run in the NFL nowadays.  Run the ball, rely on the defense, don't make a big mistake, be a leader.  That's what those 2 guys did that won them a SB and made their teams competitive in several playoff runs.  

Go back and re-watch Colt vs the Saints and NE and even the Jets.  Colt was equal to the task in those games against superior competition playing with a cast of nobodies.  If the Browns could upgrade the talent base around him I think Colt could string together enough consistency for a few seasons the way Rypien and McMahon did.  

SD is on his yearly pilgrimage to tear down the current QB (or a draftee or possible FA he doesn't want) to artificially build up the guy he does.  U put Colt on the last 2 Jets teams with their effective running games those seasons and a defense that can dictate the outcome of a game and I think he could be every bit as successful as Sanchez who does indeed blow.  

Likewise if Rypien or McMahon in their prime were on the '11 Browns team which outcomes of any games would have been different?  

Even at their best Rypien and McM had warts.  Rypien was hit and miss and Jimmy Mac was as brittle as a china doll.  I'm saying if Colt maximized everything for a 3 or 4 year period he could top out at those 2 guys.  

Ur gauging ur opinion of Colt on a season with no receivers a sieve as a right OL and a running back that nearly leads the team after being claimed off the waiver wire around week 4 or so.  

His maximum potential however are the 3 games his rookie year extrapolated over a season with a modest learning curve amount for a progression over several seasons.   And that was the question.  What can Colt top out at?   I'm aware of the unlikely nature of all of those things happening but I just tried to answer the question.
SD:

Dude you just wasted your breath touting the value of a kid who has back up talent and plays below that level .

We  have the worst QB in the division , if he lines up under center next year , we'll maintain that crown .

There is no hate or malice in telling that truth , butt a very unpleasant fact you've ineptly and completely overlooked.


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Posted: 2/2/2012 10:04 AM

Re: Throwing Motion 



redright wrote: Soul,  What do you do? What can you do, if Luck and RGlll are off the boars 1&2, the rest of the draftees are deemed projects and Flynn and Kolb play in Miami and Arizona?

Is there a way that Colt can be improved to competitive? We could find HHS don't trade up and can't get an experienced vet, leaving us with Colt for another year.  How do you make him more effective? Is it in his motion or vision or footwork to make him better?
SoulDawg74 wrote:
lbsouth1 wrote: Rypien had a supremely mediocre arm and McMahon had a bad wing from BYU.  

They were both caretakers of a system, all be it a slightly different system than what is run in the NFL nowadays.  Run the ball, rely on the defense, don't make a big mistake, be a leader.  That's what those 2 guys did that won them a SB and made their teams competitive in several playoff runs.  

Go back and re-watch Colt vs the Saints and NE and even the Jets.  Colt was equal to the task in those games against superior competition playing with a cast of nobodies.  If the Browns could upgrade the talent base around him I think Colt could string together enough consistency for a few seasons the way Rypien and McMahon did.  

SD is on his yearly pilgrimage to tear down the current QB (or a draftee or possible FA he doesn't want) to artificially build up the guy he does.  U put Colt on the last 2 Jets teams with their effective running games those seasons and a defense that can dictate the outcome of a game and I think he could be every bit as successful as Sanchez who does indeed blow.  

Likewise if Rypien or McMahon in their prime were on the '11 Browns team which outcomes of any games would have been different?  

Even at their best Rypien and McM had warts.  Rypien was hit and miss and Jimmy Mac was as brittle as a china doll.  I'm saying if Colt maximized everything for a 3 or 4 year period he could top out at those 2 guys.  

Ur gauging ur opinion of Colt on a season with no receivers a sieve as a right OL and a running back that nearly leads the team after being claimed off the waiver wire around week 4 or so.  

His maximum potential however are the 3 games his rookie year extrapolated over a season with a modest learning curve amount for a progression over several seasons.   And that was the question.  What can Colt top out at?   I'm aware of the unlikely nature of all of those things happening but I just tried to answer the question.
SD:

Dude you just wasted your breath touting the value of a kid who has back up talent and plays below that level .

We  have the worst QB in the division , if he lines up under center next year , we'll maintain that crown .

There is no hate or malice in telling that truth , butt a very unpleasant fact you've ineptly and completely overlooked.


SoulDawg
SD:

They shoot horses don't they .................................................. ...................................

If the Browns don't come away with either RG3 or Flynn with all the firepower and cash at their disposal , Lerner should just shoot them Jackasses , then fire them.

Three years in with two opportunities in the top ten to address your QB problem with no results is a firable offense especially after the owner has green lighted the expenditures.

It cannot be taken as anything less than deliberate gross  insubordination .

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On the off chance the electric goes out at the podium and the Browns don't get their trade up pick in on time because the guy holding the card is stricken with laryngitis   or dies from a heartattack ,  and the owners wishes aren't followed .

its academic .

Mccoy never outplayed Wallace  Heckert admitted they gifted that job , , and the third stringer has a better arm and is bigger than both of them .

I don't know what your asking me red .

but McCoys abilities are so poor in the talent  that he brings to the table .

I could take Josh Cribbs who hasn't played QB  since College  and put him in the QB rotation  and Colt  would end up fourth string to what we have on the roster .

The QB position is upgraded simply by not having him on the roster , thats how poor he performed .

and I really wish that was hyperbole , however its the unfortunate sad truth of the situation.

He has no arm , his footwork was worse than waltzing with a woman with three feet , his instincts were none existent and he came up small time after time after time in the critical big moments which separate victory from defeat.

He's eric Zeir , but not as good .because he makes no one around him better.

He's Holmgrens failed wet dream to find Joe Montana II in the same round  a lifetime later, and we've all been made to suffer that mistake.


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  • redright
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Posted: 2/2/2012 12:56 PM

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Soul,

 don't know what your asking me red .

but McCoys abilities are so poor in the talent  that he brings to the table .

I could take Josh Cribbs who hasn't played QB  since College  and put him in the QB rotation  and Colt  would end up fourth string to what we have on the roster .

The QB position is upgraded simply by not having him on the roster , thats how poor he performed .

and I really wish that was hyperbole , however its the unfortunate sad truth of the situation.

He has no arm , his footwork was worse than waltzing with a woman with three feet , his instincts were none existent and he came up small time after time after time in the critical big moments which separate victory from defeat.

rr....... Soul that was what I was asking.  Your answer is clear. You see Colt as never rising to average as he lacks the skill set to compete in the NFL.
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