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Posted: 1/20/2012 1:48 PM

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Solid take. You are more mitigating of McCoy than I thins season, but you nicely -- and accurately -- recap the 2010 season and why McCoy earned an audition in 2011.

But you may as well bounce marshmallows off a sidewalk and expect a breakthrough.


gadfly23 wrote: The same moron who swore he didn't want QB competition yet advocates that's exactly whats gonna happen next year...We wasted a year on a third grade mutt , gave him the keys to the Masserrati and watched him drive it in the ditch.

SD - when the Browns, having jettisoned Quinn, went out and signed a fairly costly ($7 million) FA QB Delhomme (competition?) to take the reigns, they had no intention of letting McCoy be the starter, maybe not even having McCoy play in 10'. Then stuff happened and McCoy was rushed into action - beating NO on the road, NE at home, and staging two brilliant drives (one to tie late/one in OT to put team into winning field goal range - minus the fumble) against the Jets at home. That was not chickensh** to be ignored. Is it, I guess, what you call "wasting a year on the Mutt"?

The Mutt, w/o much pre-season and an all new coaching staff, and the Browns #1 offensive threat injured (along with most of the backfield), and a weak WR core + few more deficiencies still went out and produced a QB rating as good or better than many QB's (like E. Manning/M. Sanchez) did in their first 1 1/2 years starting (on better teams)......also throwing more TDS than INTS (even including the one he threw probably half-knocked out against Pittsburgh). What a Mutt.

The Mutt deserves and has shown enough skill/guts/leadership to start next year with a FA improved OL (+ Steinbach improved) plus 3 out of the first 37 picks with hopefully 2 of those picks going to a killer WR (Blackmon/Jeffery/Wright) and a RB back like Richardson + that additional semi-elite pick @ 37 going to defense.

I can sleep with that.

Now truth be told I can also sleep with RGIII as long as he costs me no picks - I'll replace that lost #4 pick used to get RGIII with an additional rich FA like Bowe/Garcon/Colston.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:04 PM

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Nasdaq wrote: Solid take. You are more mitigating of McCoy than I thins season, but you nicely -- and accurately -- recap the 2010 season and why McCoy earned an audition in 2011.

But you may as well bounce marshmallows off a sidewalk and expect a breakthrough.


gadfly23 wrote: The same moron who swore he didn't want QB competition yet advocates that's exactly whats gonna happen next year...We wasted a year on a third grade mutt , gave him the keys to the Masserrati and watched him drive it in the ditch.

SD - when the Browns, having jettisoned Quinn, went out and signed a fairly costly ($7 million) FA QB Delhomme (competition?) to take the reigns, they had no intention of letting McCoy be the starter, maybe not even having McCoy play in 10'. Then stuff happened and McCoy was rushed into action - beating NO on the road, NE at home, and staging two brilliant drives (one to tie late/one in OT to put team into winning field goal range - minus the fumble) against the Jets at home. That was not chickensh** to be ignored. Is it, I guess, what you call "wasting a year on the Mutt"?

The Mutt, w/o much pre-season and an all new coaching staff, and the Browns #1 offensive threat injured (along with most of the backfield), and a weak WR core + few more deficiencies still went out and produced a QB rating as good or better than many QB's (like E. Manning/M. Sanchez) did in their first 1 1/2 years starting (on better teams)......also throwing more TDS than INTS (even including the one he threw probably half-knocked out against Pittsburgh). What a Mutt.

The Mutt deserves and has shown enough skill/guts/leadership to start next year with a FA improved OL (+ Steinbach improved) plus 3 out of the first 37 picks with hopefully 2 of those picks going to a killer WR (Blackmon/Jeffery/Wright) and a RB back like Richardson + that additional semi-elite pick @ 37 going to defense.

I can sleep with that.

Now truth be told I can also sleep with RGIII as long as he costs me no picks - I'll replace that lost #4 pick used to get RGIII with an additional rich FA like Bowe/Garcon/Colston.
SD:

Kordell and Boller deserved more too , howd that work out .

This ain't personnel its bidness and dessert aint got a damn thing to do with anything.

Randy says he doesn't see the need for us to take five years to fix a problem of going down the wrong road  in the first place, we can switch now .

No harm no foul..

Pull your head from betwixt your legs  .

Recognize the freshness ....................


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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:26 PM

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F'n seriously. 

What part about "I believe the Browns will have a new QB" don't you appreciate?

But it sure as sh!t won't be because the most detached owner in the NFL decreed it.

SoulDawg74 wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: Solid take. You are more mitigating of McCoy than I thins season, but you nicely -- and accurately -- recap the 2010 season and why McCoy earned an audition in 2011.

But you may as well bounce marshmallows off a sidewalk and expect a breakthrough.


gadfly23 wrote: The same moron who swore he didn't want QB competition yet advocates that's exactly whats gonna happen next year...We wasted a year on a third grade mutt , gave him the keys to the Masserrati and watched him drive it in the ditch.

SD - when the Browns, having jettisoned Quinn, went out and signed a fairly costly ($7 million) FA QB Delhomme (competition?) to take the reigns, they had no intention of letting McCoy be the starter, maybe not even having McCoy play in 10'. Then stuff happened and McCoy was rushed into action - beating NO on the road, NE at home, and staging two brilliant drives (one to tie late/one in OT to put team into winning field goal range - minus the fumble) against the Jets at home. That was not chickensh** to be ignored. Is it, I guess, what you call "wasting a year on the Mutt"?

The Mutt, w/o much pre-season and an all new coaching staff, and the Browns #1 offensive threat injured (along with most of the backfield), and a weak WR core + few more deficiencies still went out and produced a QB rating as good or better than many QB's (like E. Manning/M. Sanchez) did in their first 1 1/2 years starting (on better teams)......also throwing more TDS than INTS (even including the one he threw probably half-knocked out against Pittsburgh). What a Mutt.

The Mutt deserves and has shown enough skill/guts/leadership to start next year with a FA improved OL (+ Steinbach improved) plus 3 out of the first 37 picks with hopefully 2 of those picks going to a killer WR (Blackmon/Jeffery/Wright) and a RB back like Richardson + that additional semi-elite pick @ 37 going to defense.

I can sleep with that.

Now truth be told I can also sleep with RGIII as long as he costs me no picks - I'll replace that lost #4 pick used to get RGIII with an additional rich FA like Bowe/Garcon/Colston.
SD:

Kordell and Boller deserved more too , howd that work out .

This ain't personnel its bidness and dessert aint got a damn thing to do with anything.

Randy says he doesn't see the need for us to take five years to fix a problem of going down the wrong road  in the first place, we can switch now .

No harm no foul..

Pull your head from betwixt your legs  .

Recognize the freshness ....................


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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:50 PM

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Kordell and Boller deserved more too

When I cite McCoy "deserving" I don't mean deserving as in - "oh what a nice boy,
he deserves a little more dessert." I mean deserves as in - "the kid showed me something."
A package of abilities that might add up to something worthwhile. 
Right now, Mike Holmgren agrees with me. You don't.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:27 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
F'n seriously. 

What part about "I believe the Browns will have a new QB" don't you appreciate?

But it sure as sh!t won't be because the most detached owner in the NFL decreed it.

SoulDawg74 wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: Solid take. You are more mitigating of McCoy than I thins season, but you nicely -- and accurately -- recap the 2010 season and why McCoy earned an audition in 2011.

But you may as well bounce marshmallows off a sidewalk and expect a breakthrough.


gadfly23 wrote: The same moron who swore he didn't want QB competition yet advocates that's exactly whats gonna happen next year...We wasted a year on a third grade mutt , gave him the keys to the Masserrati and watched him drive it in the ditch.

SD - when the Browns, having jettisoned Quinn, went out and signed a fairly costly ($7 million) FA QB Delhomme (competition?) to take the reigns, they had no intention of letting McCoy be the starter, maybe not even having McCoy play in 10'. Then stuff happened and McCoy was rushed into action - beating NO on the road, NE at home, and staging two brilliant drives (one to tie late/one in OT to put team into winning field goal range - minus the fumble) against the Jets at home. That was not chickensh** to be ignored. Is it, I guess, what you call "wasting a year on the Mutt"?

The Mutt, w/o much pre-season and an all new coaching staff, and the Browns #1 offensive threat injured (along with most of the backfield), and a weak WR core + few more deficiencies still went out and produced a QB rating as good or better than many QB's (like E. Manning/M. Sanchez) did in their first 1 1/2 years starting (on better teams)......also throwing more TDS than INTS (even including the one he threw probably half-knocked out against Pittsburgh). What a Mutt.

The Mutt deserves and has shown enough skill/guts/leadership to start next year with a FA improved OL (+ Steinbach improved) plus 3 out of the first 37 picks with hopefully 2 of those picks going to a killer WR (Blackmon/Jeffery/Wright) and a RB back like Richardson + that additional semi-elite pick @ 37 going to defense.

I can sleep with that.

Now truth be told I can also sleep with RGIII as long as he costs me no picks - I'll replace that lost #4 pick used to get RGIII with an additional rich FA like Bowe/Garcon/Colston.
SD:

Kordell and Boller deserved more too , howd that work out .

This ain't personnel its bidness and dessert aint got a damn thing to do with anything.

Randy says he doesn't see the need for us to take five years to fix a problem of going down the wrong road  in the first place, we can switch now .

No harm no foul..

Pull your head from betwixt your legs  .

Recognize the freshness ....................


SoulDawg
SD:

Whatever man .

Randy blasting this garbage as presently constructed means the difference , between a Kolb McCoy Wallace shootout

and  or an RG3 Flynn McCoy out the door flavor .

It was a well timed well placed shot by an owner who picked his spot perfectly .

Your underestimation of the stealth and intellect involved to hit the kidney and chop the back of the neck  without leaving a mark  doesn't  allow you to appreciate the finely orchestrated craft involved .

You still harbor the foolish notion Lerner was on script .

poor child.


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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:42 PM

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gadfly23 wrote:

Right now, Mike Holmgren agrees with me. You don't.

Well, we don't know whether he does or doesn't, actually.  I'm leaning toward hearing he may not, but YMMV on the tea leaves.

Then again, it's randy's decision < chortle > .
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:45 PM

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
stealth and intellect


Gracias for the new gloss for Randy. Was getting tired of "Jammies".
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Posted: 1/20/2012 5:39 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
gadfly23 wrote:

Right now, Mike Holmgren agrees with me. You don't.

Well, we don't know whether he does or doesn't, actually.  I'm leaning toward hearing he may not, but YMMV on the tea leaves.

Then again, it's randy's decision < chortle > .
SD:

what part of Kordell Boller McCoy better not be part of any plan A going forward did you too miss in Randy's message .

When your QB name is in that conversation , you have no QB.

and even randy knows that  even if you two don't .

{sneer}


$20 million  and i ain't got the real McCoy, don't mean he was askin for colt.


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Posted: 1/20/2012 6:20 PM

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N:
F'n seriously.


What part about "I believe the Browns will have a new QB" don't you appreciate?

But it sure as sh!t won't be because the most detached owner in the NFL decreed it.


G:
I love to watch you and SD spar. You're both wrong, but its fun watching.

Randy isn't in any way detached. That POV is completely wrong.

SD is wrong because Randy isn't telling Holmgren to do anything.  Randy doesn't do that.  

Randy is telling us the current thinking inside Berea, because Randy has had indepth discussions with Holmgren and Heckert. He talks to Holmgren several times a week during the season. When Phil was here he spoke with Phil daily and I expect he's doing the same thing now.

That's what the owners role is. See what and why his people intend and then see if it works. If it doesn't work for a length of time then they are either analyzing the situation wrong or they see it right but aren't good enough to fix the problem. Then he has a decision to make.

So, Randy is not detached nor does he meddle. He's not trying to be an owner on the cheap either. He is an engaged owner who believes his place is to get the right guy and get out of his way until he shows he can't get it done. And he isn't there yet. Maybe next year if it goes bad again, but not this year. He isn't asking for a SB next year but he damn well better see obvious and significant improvement.
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Gary,

So, Randy is not detached nor does he meddle. He's not trying to be an owner on the cheap either. He is an engaged owner who believes his place is to get the right guy and get out of his way until he shows he can't get it done. And he isn't there yet. Maybe next year if it goes bad again, but not this year. He isn't asking for a SB next year but he damn well better see obvious and significant improvement

rr,  Didn't randy declare the team had to be run deficit neutral?
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Posted: 1/20/2012 11:09 PM

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redright wrote: Gary,

So, Randy is not detached nor does he meddle. He's not trying to be an owner on the cheap either. He is an engaged owner who believes his place is to get the right guy and get out of his way until he shows he can't get it done. And he isn't there yet. Maybe next year if it goes bad again, but not this year. He isn't asking for a SB next year but he damn well better see obvious and significant improvement

rr,  Didn't randy declare the team had to be run deficit neutral?
I love this ongoing thing people, not just you, stating about about the "revenue neutral" mandate meaning Randy is "cheap". Um, doesn't that seem consistent with the "caretaker" philosophy that Randy stated from the onset? Most businesses I know seem to be of the mandate that revenue should be >> expenses...you know a profit game? What a cheap bastard...mandating a business should effectively break even like a non-profit enterprise. Friggin' scrooge, that.

Carry on...
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Posted: 1/20/2012 11:46 PM

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For the record, I could be wrong on this, but I don't think that Randy Lerner "owns" the Browns.  I believe the Lerner family trust owns the team and Randy manages the franchise for the trust.  I think Al's widow and his daughter (Randy's sister) are beneficiaries of the trust.

>>And so Al Lerner structured the team to go into a family trust when he died. His heirs, wife Norma, son Randy and daughter Nancy Beck, essentially control 90 percent of the stock. Policy owns the remaining 10 percent, but likely does not have the wherewithal to extend his reach, and has hinted that he could leave the club, perhaps in two seasons.<<

http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/colum...en/1450886.html

1/6/04 Rest in peace "Daddy Wags." May perpetual light shine upon you.

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redright wrote: Gary,

So, Randy is not detached nor does he meddle. He's not trying to be an owner on the cheap either. He is an engaged owner who believes his place is to get the right guy and get out of his way until he shows he can't get it done. And he isn't there yet. Maybe next year if it goes bad again, but not this year. He isn't asking for a SB next year but he damn well better see obvious and significant improvement

rr,  Didn't randy declare the team had to be run deficit neutral?
He said it had to live within its income. Yes.  Is he a bad man for insisting the team not lose money? 

Now, if he said he had to make 30 million a year or something, that would be bad...to me...as a fan.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 10:24 AM

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Gary Reents wrote: N:
F'n seriously.


What part about "I believe the Browns will have a new QB" don't you appreciate?

But it sure as sh!t won't be because the most detached owner in the NFL decreed it.


G:
I love to watch you and SD spar. You're both wrong, but its fun watching.

Randy isn't in any way detached. That POV is completely wrong.

SD is wrong because Randy isn't telling Holmgren to do anything.  Randy doesn't do that.  

Randy is telling us the current thinking inside Berea, because Randy has had indepth discussions with Holmgren and Heckert. He talks to Holmgren several times a week during the season. When Phil was here he spoke with Phil daily and I expect he's doing the same thing now.

That's what the owners role is. See what and why his people intend and then see if it works. If it doesn't work for a length of time then they are either analyzing the situation wrong or they see it right but aren't good enough to fix the problem. Then he has a decision to make.

So, Randy is not detached nor does he meddle. He's not trying to be an owner on the cheap either. He is an engaged owner who believes his place is to get the right guy and get out of his way until he shows he can't get it done. And he isn't there yet. Maybe next year if it goes bad again, but not this year. He isn't asking for a SB next year but he damn well better see obvious and significant improvement.
SD:

Child  please , your arrogance is only outdone by your naivety .

If I don't stop you from from really embarrassing yourself from launching an all out support pettition for Palmer in your first ever shackled thread by telling you three days before it happened you were wasting your time because your boy was slagged to be fired soon as Policy was done burying his former law pardner turned judge who committed suicide ,  , they'd still be cleaning the egg off your face.

Not to mention the quizzling Granthams attempt to usurp RAC's job long before anybody else had a clue especially you , right upto to telling you Mangina was going to be scapegoated even as Homie was serving copious portions of just deserts.

So don't exceed yourself now , with the presumptuous airs that the student
is now ready for the master, so sit back relax and sip a cognac and don't choke on the smoke.

first of all , if Homgren was going to feed Mr. Lerner a line on QB's he would draw on his experiences in Seattle Greenbay and San Fransisco ,
he knows nothing of the history and traditions of the Browns in that context , much less would be versed as a student of this division .

So when Randy deliberately and specifically cracked on the failed models at QB specific to this division  using the Rats and the inbred as examples , he did so as any fan would recall the turn around   from his own notes .

He needed no such coaching from Holmgren for this , the very notion and premiss that he would in this regard is absurd.

This was a shot across the bow of Berea , that big daddy is still in the house ,, specifically noting the administrations mentioned weren't fired , but had a come to Jesus meeting where they had to swallow cut bait on the rotten fish and re cast their lines in the water higher up in the stream.

The timing was impeccable on the heels of Irsay cleaning house and dominating the news in regard to the draft when Playoff news should be the headline , it was a well placed shot under the guise of an aside comment pre-calculated for  a specific direct effect.

The QB position is so important so dominant to the very fiber of a franchise he becomes the face of that franchise and thus Randy Lerner took the pains to let everybody know from Berea to Timbuktoo , the face of the franchise as it regards the Browns going forward was not going to be  Kordell Eboller Charlie Colt McCoy, no way no how ,because as that experiment was brought to an unsuccessful end within the division with other fobs so shall it be stopped here and now in Cleveland and fixed right the F U C k now .

I ain't no QB evaluator or nothing , but I know what the real mccoy looks like , and brother it damn sure ain't Kordell err a Colt.

Anybody wants to adhere to the idea he is can look for another job , those with sense will be glad I'm gonna take the high road and follow the model of my past competitors and give everybody another chance to go find me a real QB like Rottenberger or Flacco   which fixed their problems.

Now if that wasn't a mandate complete with specifics as to course and direction , then your not an engineer who works for the gubermint on super secret stuff  which keeps us all safe and your no where near as smart as you think you are.

To think he was reading cue cards from Homie is preposterous lunacy.


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Posted: 1/21/2012 11:06 AM

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SD:
Child  please , your arrogance is only outdone by your naivety .

If I don't stop you from from really embarrassing yourself from launching an all out support pettition for Palmer in your first ever shackled thread by telling you three days before it happened you were wasting your time because your boy was slagged to be fired soon as Policy was done burying his former law pardner turned judge who committed suicide ,  , they'd still be cleaning the egg off your face.

Not to mention the quizzling Granthams attempt to usurp RAC's job long before anybody else had a clue especially you , right upto to telling you Mangina was going to be scapegoated even as Homie was serving copious portions of just deserts.

So don't exceed yourself now , with the presumptuous airs that the student
is now ready for the master, so sit back relax and sip a cognac and don't choke on the smoke.


G:
A broken clock is right twice a day, too.

Maybe you won't have to go back a decade or half a decade to be right one of these days. You aren't right now. Randy wasn't delivering any message to Holmgren. If he wanted to deliver a message to his selected President he sure wouldn't have to do it in the press. He just had to call him into his office and tell him.

You'll know if Holmgren got an ultimatum if he says one thing consistently and then suddenly heads 180 degrees. But if that happens it won't be "Get a new QB" kind of message. It will be "If this club doesn't make 500 next year I'm going to have to make a change."  That's the level of direction Lerner gives to his President. That's the kind of message Butch got, the supposed HMFIC, and it unmanned him. The pussy.
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Gary Reents wrote: SD:
Child  please , your arrogance is only outdone by your naivety .

If I don't stop you from from really embarrassing yourself from launching an all out support pettition for Palmer in your first ever shackled thread by telling you three days before it happened you were wasting your time because your boy was slagged to be fired soon as Policy was done burying his former law pardner turned judge who committed suicide ,  , they'd still be cleaning the egg off your face.

Not to mention the quizzling Granthams attempt to usurp RAC's job long before anybody else had a clue especially you , right upto to telling you Mangina was going to be scapegoated even as Homie was serving copious portions of just deserts.

So don't exceed yourself now , with the presumptuous airs that the student
is now ready for the master, so sit back relax and sip a cognac and don't choke on the smoke.


G:
A broken clock is right twice a day, too.

Maybe you won't have to go back a decade or half a decade to be right one of these days. You aren't right now. Randy wasn't delivering any message to Holmgren. If he wanted to deliver a message to his selected President he sure wouldn't have to do it in the press. He just had to call him into his office and tell him.

You'll know if Holmgren got an ultimatum if he says one thing consistently and then suddenly heads 180 degrees. But if that happens it won't be "Get a new QB" kind of message. It will be "If this club doesn't make 500 next year I'm going to have to make a change."  That's the level of direction Lerner gives to his President. That's the kind of message Butch got, the supposed HMFIC, and it unmanned him. The pussy.
SD:

Now don't go getting all defensive  on this , you really never had a chance  on the issue  because your brain doesn't allow you to process intrigue , droids are good at logic ,  but deciphering ripples in the waves ain't there forte.

You got part of it , but missed the jist worse than these little fonts you insist on using , peee u  please stop doing both.

Yes Homie and Randy are in the same building , which makes it all the more significant on how this message was delivered  notwithstanding the content , which was a heaping scathing rebuke , and shameful admission that our present QB sitrep ain't squat.

That Randy would go public on this issue shows they're on two different planets in regard to going forward on this  , and Randy just bounced his idea of how it should go and will go off the public wall , while undressin the uber guru fraud as to his credentials .

When your QB situations is compared to two ugly nasty toilet entry  busts like Kordell and Boller , By name two years in .

That ain't a ringing endorsement on your program , and the interoffice squabbling  over the very idea going forward with any plans for McCoy as centerpiece Mr. Holmgren end here and now as I read his epitaph.

"""Those teams fixed their problems """ those teams addressed their problems with Rottenberger and Flacco ,.

"""Going forward the most important thing is to address our QB problem ""

If you haven't figured it out for yourself , let me spell it out for you loud and clear now .

Those weren't suggestions.


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SD:
Now don't go getting all defensive  on this , you really never had a chance  on the issue  because your brain doesn't allow you to process intrigue , droids are good at logic ,  but deciphering ripples in the waves ain't there forte.

G:
Who's defensive? I'm instructing.

SD:
You got part of it , but missed the jist worse than these little fonts you insist on using , peee u  please stop doing both.

G:
I didn't miss any part of it. 

SD:
Yes Homie and Randy are in the same building , which makes it all the more significant on how this message was delivered  notwithstanding the content , which was a heaping scathing rebuke , and shameful admission that our present QB sitrep ain't squat.

G:
1. Public scathing attempts to humiliate his employees haven't been Randy's ownership style. Ever.  That alone proves you wrong.

2. There is no evidence that Randy and Mike have a poor relationship. There hasn't been one report anywhere that even hints at such.

3. Reports for the two weeks prior to this interview have the Browns looking to emphasize the QB position this offseason. So there was no reason for Randy to suddenly act different than he's ever acted in the past to humiliate a man who intends doing what he wants. 

4. For every one thing you get correct you ten wrong. You have another three years to go before you stumble onto a correct take. Your best bet to up your record is to agree with everything I say.

SD:
That Randy would go public on this issue shows they're on two different planets in regard to going forward on this  , and Randy just bounced his idea of how it should go and will go off the public wall , while undressin the uber guru fraud as to his credentials .

G:
No. It means you want the Browns to get a tall athletic rifle armed QB and want this to support that. But, doing so is out of character for Lerner you needed to further your delusion by imaging a war in heaven. Ain't no such thing.

SD:
When your QB situations is compared to two ugly nasty toilet entry  busts like Kordell and Boller , By name two years in .

That ain't a ringing endorsement on your program , and the interoffice squabbling  over the very idea going forward with any plans for McCoy as centerpiece Mr. Holmgren end here and now as I read his epitaph.

G:
Please find me one report. Or one rumor. That suggests in any way that Lerner came out of last year down on going forward with Colt McCoy. Until then, you got nada but gas.

SD:
"""Those teams fixed their problems """ those teams addressed their problems with Rottenberger and Flacco ,.

"""Going forward the most important thing is to address our QB problem ""

If you haven't figured it out for yourself , let me spell it out for you loud and clear now .

Those weren't suggestions.

G:
No, those were the words of an engaged owner telling the plans that the organization is in lockstep in that regard. You'll notice he didn't say "And I intend making sure this organization does just that!" with determined and flashing eyes. Know why?  Read my previous post. 

You've been schooled.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 2:41 PM

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"Most businesses I know seem to be of the mandate that revenue should be >> expenses...you know a profit game?"

-- Wouldn't it be useful if other entities sometimes thought closer to that way?  Ah well.

The debate about Randy's attitude towards money isn't all that interesting. He's always had lots and has inherited lots. Plus the Browns are in the NFL and many monetary matters are ordained and fixed. Perhaps he's somewhat directed by others in regard to the trust and that manipulates what he says.

It could be argued that many things in pro sports are expensive already- starting with tickets and leading to salaries. Any team that acts against that can't be all bad, can they?

What might matter more is the widom of Lerner speaking publicly at all. But as long as he doesn't do too much harm in crucial places I guess it isn't important.

 Less can be more. Perhaps either Lerner knows that or some paid handlers do and he acts accordingly. Since he speaks infrequently there are some people who tend to hang on his every word and try to interpret it. Perhaps they are wise to do so? After all, Randy has lots of power...

But as long as football guys do their jobs and don't mindlessly pander to an owner's opinions for no good reason, then all should be okay. Let Randy have his say and move on.

BTW- Good to see you again, Maxwell Haus. You tend to appear at interesting times and places. Your posts seem to always set minds to working.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 3:40 PM

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Gary Reents wrote: SD:
Now don't go getting all defensive  on this , you really never had a chance  on the issue  because your brain doesn't allow you to process intrigue , droids are good at logic ,  but deciphering ripples in the waves ain't there forte.

G:
Who's defensive? I'm instructing.

SD:
You got part of it , but missed the jist worse than these little fonts you insist on using , peee u  please stop doing both.

G:
I didn't miss any part of it. 

SD:
Yes Homie and Randy are in the same building , which makes it all the more significant on how this message was delivered  notwithstanding the content , which was a heaping scathing rebuke , and shameful admission that our present QB sitrep ain't squat.

G:
1. Public scathing attempts to humiliate his employees haven't been Randy's ownership style. Ever.  That alone proves you wrong.

2. There is no evidence that Randy and Mike have a poor relationship. There hasn't been one report anywhere that even hints at such.

3. Reports for the two weeks prior to this interview have the Browns looking to emphasize the QB position this offseason. So there was no reason for Randy to suddenly act different than he's ever acted in the past to humiliate a man who intends doing what he wants. 

4. For every one thing you get correct you ten wrong. You have another three years to go before you stumble onto a correct take. Your best bet to up your record is to agree with everything I say.

SD:
That Randy would go public on this issue shows they're on two different planets in regard to going forward on this  , and Randy just bounced his idea of how it should go and will go off the public wall , while undressin the uber guru fraud as to his credentials .

G:
No. It means you want the Browns to get a tall athletic rifle armed QB and want this to support that. But, doing so is out of character for Lerner you needed to further your delusion by imaging a war in heaven. Ain't no such thing.

SD:
When your QB situations is compared to two ugly nasty toilet entry  busts like Kordell and Boller , By name two years in .

That ain't a ringing endorsement on your program , and the interoffice squabbling  over the very idea going forward with any plans for McCoy as centerpiece Mr. Holmgren end here and now as I read his epitaph.

G:
Please find me one report. Or one rumor. That suggests in any way that Lerner came out of last year down on going forward with Colt McCoy. Until then, you got nada but gas.

SD:
"""Those teams fixed their problems """ those teams addressed their problems with Rottenberger and Flacco ,.

"""Going forward the most important thing is to address our QB problem ""

If you haven't figured it out for yourself , let me spell it out for you loud and clear now .

Those weren't suggestions.

G:
No, those were the words of an engaged owner telling the plans that the organization is in lockstep in that regard. You'll notice he didn't say "And I intend making sure this organization does just that!" with determined and flashing eyes. Know why?  Read my previous post. 

You've been schooled.
SD:

Pish posh , I've got a double doctorate in an area where you don't rate as a kindergarten student , so sell those wolf tickets to the fools coming in on the late freight who don't know better.

However such tripe won't go unnoticed , your terribly off your game .

Lerner set policy on this issue , just like a Rooney would do.

We will fix the QB problem we will fix it now , not wait like the previous regimes aforementioned did with Kordell and Boller to ill effect.

We will not be mired in suck held hostage by sheeit QB play like those teams were.

Similarity , I will grant the same mulligan as those front office's received , and in this instance as was the case in those examples  we will fix the problem , and not a fix blame , so long a we follow the same path to resolution.

it was policy at the highest level , .

It was a mandate , not a suggestion , or some stoopid consensus agreement reached by committee.

It eliminates another project pick by Holmgren , who now must hit a home run with his choice , either Matt Flynn the free agent De jour , or one of either RG3 or Luck the top two signal callers in the draft .

Lerner has clearly spelled out he won't be happy with anything less than the real McCoy , and he damn sure wasn't talking about Colt or anybody not considered a franchise or elite talent at the position.

He clearly has left directions , as clear as the 80,000,000., strong throng shouting as one ,"" get us one get us one "" after Alabama was destroyed by one Sam Cunningham .

And before any Lucy or gary  even tries it .

Lerner wasn't expressing his explicit desire for no RB.

SoulDawg
WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 1/21/2012 4:09 PM

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SD:

Pish posh , I've got a double doctorate in an area where you don't rate as a kindergarten student , so sell those wolf tickets to the fools coming in on the late freight who don't know better.

However such tripe won't go unnoticed , your terribly off your game .

G:
That day will come sometime down the road....ah, the hell it will...I'm always on my game.

When Lerner is on the point of acting it gets quiet in Berea.  Rumors come out, but Randy doesn't. Not until the deed is done. That's how he works.

You should have been paying more attention.

If Randy was meddling he would have had direct discussions with Holmgren first, then with Holmgren and Heckert. He would not say a word to the press.  His speaking is a confirmation of their being in lockstep, not the opposite. On that, Nas is quite correct. He's just wrong about Randy being detached.

Randy, opposite to what many here try to portray is a very intense person. Very passionate about the Browns. He is the exact opposite of "detached."
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