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The QB contrast post draft preseason.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 11:40 AM
The QB contrast post draft preseason.
Sanchez was 3-4 for 88 yards concluding a TD drive in his very first NFL action ever.
Highlighted by a 48 yard bomb to the sideline with his very first pass from his very first play from scrimmage , from inside the five yard line.
Clemens in contrast looked like DA in pocket awareness even though he went 4-4 he lost a ball after being hit and stripped in the pocket when his right tackle whiffed.
Sanchez owns that job .
In contrast , Brady had a workmanlike night, victimized by a penalty taking 3 points off the board with Braylon supplying his drama queen unnecessary drop of a perfectly thrown TD pass.
The interception was also Braylons fault for not fighting for the ball that his QB tried to redeem him with by going back to his ignorant arse.
Anderson was terrible operated like he had never been on a football field, has regresse to the point he's holding this team back.
Conclusions.
Quinn will beat out Anderson , as will Sanchez send Clemens to the bench.
Sanchez ability to go deep with accuracy, and his moxy so far will have many a Browns fan second guessing the decision to by pass him and trade down unless Brady can pull the rag out and get himself similarly in gear.
With but three weeks of NFL action to Brady being in his third Year , right now Sanchez has it all over (Clevelands cough cough so called ) best.
SoulDawg
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Posted: 8/18/2009 11:58 AM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
I predict that Sanchez will get hurt by mid-season. He's frail. He makes Joe Montana look tough. Just a matter of time until he gets crushed.
----SoulDawg74 wrote: ---------------
Quinn will beat out Anderson , as will Sanchez send Clemens to the bench.
Sanchez ability to go deep with accuracy, and his moxy so far will have many a Browns fan second guessing the decision to by pass him and trade down unless Brady can pull the rag out and get himself similarly in gear.
With but three weeks of NFL action to Brady being in his third Year , right now Sanchez has it all over (Clevelands cough cough so called ) best.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:00 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
SoulDawg74 wrote: Sanchez was 3-4 for 88 yards concluding a TD drive in his very first NFL action ever.
Highlighted by a 48 yard bomb to the sideline with his very first pass from his very first play from scrimmage , from inside the five yard line.
Clemens in contrast looked like DA in pocket awareness even though he went 4-4 he lost a ball after being hit and stripped in the pocket when his right tackle whiffed.
Sanchez owns that job .
In contrast , Brady had a workmanlike night, victimized by a penalty taking 3 points off the board with Braylon supplying his drama queen unnecessary drop of a perfectly thrown TD pass.
The interception was also Braylons fault for not fighting for the ball that his QB tried to redeem him with by going back to his ignorant arse.
Anderson was terrible operated like he had never been on a football field, has regresse to the point he's holding this team back.
Conclusions.
Quinn will beat out Anderson , as will Sanchez send Clemens to the bench.
Sanchez ability to go deep with accuracy, and his moxy so far will have many a Browns fan second guessing the decision to by pass him and trade down unless Brady can pull the rag out and get himself similarly in gear.
With but three weeks of NFL action to Brady being in his third Year , right now Sanchez has it all over (Clevelands cough cough so called ) best.
SoulDawg Disagree. For ten years we've paid the price for not drafting and or signing good DL and OL. Yeah, there has been some movement in the last few years with LeChuck, Faine, Thomas, Steinbach and Mack but overall, we're just not getting the job done. Look at the 'good' teams. They ALL have good to great OLs and DLs. Then they turn around and complement those lines with decent players in the 'skill' positions. Not vice versa. It would have been a serious mistake to take another QB high in the draft. How the hell can we know what we've got when our QB is a pinata for opposing defenses? Tell me how we can judge DA when he was hit both times trying to throw the football? How can we judge our QB when he's playing from behind in EVERY SINGLE GAME? How can we judge our QBs when we have the ball for 20 minutes and the opposing offense has it for 40 minutes? With the lead, no less. You wanna talk about the Jets? Look at the O-Line they've brought in. Faneca, Woody, Ferguson, Mangold -- Are you kidding me? Look at Philly. If they can stay healthy, they're awesome. Hopefully, Mangini has us on the way headed toward a good, maybe even a great O-Line. We have some key pieces but need just a little more help. Maybe. We need to stay healthy. That's been our problem for many years. We stay healthy, we can do some damage in our division. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you ~ Steinbeck
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:06 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
Yes, those Rams can put up quite a struggle. Ainge was 10-17 148 and 1 TD, and Clemens was 4-4 for 24.
Since it looks like you're gonna be keeping score on a game by game basis for us, I'll look forward to next week's installment after Sanchez gets his first start against Baltimore's first team defense.
Or will you have another favorite by then? You wanted Cutler and he sucked last week. You wanted Leftwich and he was 6-14 and struggling to beat out a rookie, You wanted Culpepper, hey he was 5-6/81/1, maybe he'll be the guy--except he won't beat out a rookie either.
I really don't care as long as you stay outta Quinn's corner.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:25 PM
8/10/99
The day after the HOF game as Dallas lost in overtime to the expansion Cleveland Browns.
You remember the highlight play of that game? Couch throws... perfect pass to the outstretched fingers of KJ on a corner route.
What a way to kick off the return of the Browns and the emerging career of a franchise qb! The kid from Kentucky had moxy to spare!
Speaking of moxy, how about Chuck Frye's impressive preseason debut against the Lions? That sure set the tone for the rest of his career! |
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:40 PM
Re: 8/10/99
Aardvark wrote: The day after the HOF game as Dallas lost in overtime to the expansion Cleveland Browns.
You remember the highlight play of that game? Couch throws... perfect pass to the outstretched fingers of KJ on a corner route.
What a way to kick off the return of the Browns and the emerging career of a franchise qb! The kid from Kentucky had moxy to spare!
Speaking of moxy, how about Chuck Frye's impressive preseason debut against the Lions? That sure set the tone for the rest of his career! SD: Couch started out correctly, he was engaged to be married and looked for all the World like a blue collar kid makes good, then he got cash the big head dumped his sweetie and grew an arrogance that would make dandelions look rare. Sanchez bucked his coach assessed a weak QB market entered the draft and is living the dream following his own screen writers script. He's a self made man and an upcoming starr , by contarst couch lost his way , this kid is paving his own road. Brady has to pan out , because at this point its looking more and more like we indeed passed off one of those franchise thingies to the Jets. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:50 PM
Re: 8/10/99
Couch=The Franchise
McCown=the real deal with great feel
Frye=IT (moxy plus!)
DA=a cannon the likes of which we've never seen in CLE.
Gradkowski=Quinn's biggest competition in 2009 after Gruden screwed him over in TB
Ratliff=Quinn's brains and DA's arm
Sanchez=rocket-armed bag-o-chips with the most amazing Pro Day ever witnessed
Russell=an arm that can't be taught on a body that can't be sacked
Quinn=noodle-armed, pretty boy with the ND pedigree
I've missed a few, but all we need is for his record to stay perfect and Quinn's a lock to be exactly what we need.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:51 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
bw wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote: Sanchez was 3-4 for 88 yards concluding a TD drive in his very first NFL action ever.
Highlighted by a 48 yard bomb to the sideline with his very first pass from his very first play from scrimmage , from inside the five yard line.
Clemens in contrast looked like DA in pocket awareness even though he went 4-4 he lost a ball after being hit and stripped in the pocket when his right tackle whiffed.
Sanchez owns that job .
In contrast , Brady had a workmanlike night, victimized by a penalty taking 3 points off the board with Braylon supplying his drama queen unnecessary drop of a perfectly thrown TD pass.
The interception was also Braylons fault for not fighting for the ball that his QB tried to redeem him with by going back to his ignorant arse.
Anderson was terrible operated like he had never been on a football field, has regresse to the point he's holding this team back.
Conclusions.
Quinn will beat out Anderson , as will Sanchez send Clemens to the bench.
Sanchez ability to go deep with accuracy, and his moxy so far will have many a Browns fan second guessing the decision to by pass him and trade down unless Brady can pull the rag out and get himself similarly in gear.
With but three weeks of NFL action to Brady being in his third Year , right now Sanchez has it all over (Clevelands cough cough so called ) best.
SoulDawg
Disagree. For ten years we've paid the price for not drafting and or signing good DL and OL. Yeah, there has been some movement in the last few years with LeChuck, Faine, Thomas, Steinbach and Mack but overall, we're just not getting the job done.
Look at the 'good' teams. They ALL have good to great OLs and DLs. Then they turn around and complement those lines with decent players in the 'skill' positions. Not vice versa.
It would have been a serious mistake to take another QB high in the draft. How the hell can we know what we've got when our QB is a pinata for opposing defenses? Tell me how we can judge DA when he was hit both times trying to throw the football?
How can we judge our QB when he's playing from behind in EVERY SINGLE GAME? How can we judge our QBs when we have the ball for 20 minutes and the opposing offense has it for 40 minutes? With the lead, no less.
You wanna talk about the Jets? Look at the O-Line they've brought in. Faneca, Woody, Ferguson, Mangold -- Are you kidding me?
Look at Philly. If they can stay healthy, they're awesome.
Hopefully, Mangini has us on the way headed toward a good, maybe even a great O-Line. We have some key pieces but need just a little more help. Maybe.
We need to stay healthy. That's been our problem for many years. We stay healthy, we can do some damage in our division. SD: Bottom line bw , Brady has to pan out otherwise for all the world it looks like we bypassed on yet another franchise pick after blowing opportunities with Toothlisburger and McNabb. Don't disagree that we need strengthen our lines , but without a bottom Bitch directing the helm unless your the Superbowl bound RAT defense you got nothin. If Brady pans out then Mangy is a genius for trading down adding picks and players if he doesn't and Sanchez rockets to the top in contrast then he's Dwight Clark. Brady shows more and pulls the rag out we got a program. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 12:57 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
Air Al wrote: I predict that Sanchez will get hurt by mid-season. He's frail. He makes Joe Montana look tough. Just a matter of time until he gets crushed.
----SoulDawg74 wrote: ---------------
Quinn will beat out Anderson , as will Sanchez send Clemens to the bench.
Sanchez ability to go deep with accuracy, and his moxy so far will have many a Browns fan second guessing the decision to by pass him and trade down unless Brady can pull the rag out and get himself similarly in gear.
With but three weeks of NFL action to Brady being in his third Year , right now Sanchez has it all over (Clevelands cough cough so called ) best.
--------------------------------------------- SD: Why would you invoke that linda bad karma , take it back and go and sin no more. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:06 PM
Re: 8/10/99
U left out:
Holcomb
McCown
Garcia
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:12 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
marktroy wrote: Yes, those Rams can put up quite a struggle. Ainge was 10-17 148 and 1 TD, and Clemens was 4-4 for 24.
Since it looks like you're gonna be keeping score on a game by game basis for us, I'll look forward to next week's installment after Sanchez gets his first start against Baltimore's first team defense.
Or will you have another favorite by then? You wanted Cutler and he sucked last week. You wanted Leftwich and he was 6-14 and struggling to beat out a rookie, You wanted Culpepper, hey he was 5-6/81/1, maybe he'll be the guy--except he won't beat out a rookie either.
I really don't care as long as you stay outta Quinn's corner. SD: Doesn't take much to get your panties in a bunch , save your energy and tell Quinn to play better , because right now the rookie has it all over him in running an offense field presence and executing an offense. BTW there is no record of me wanting Culpeper or Cutler , never solicited a case for either. I am on record however of wanting Leftwhich prior to the draft when we traded up for Quinn , he went to the inbred and subsequently earned a ring showing excellent poise and form in relief of Ben when needed. He'd of competed for a job with anderson and Frye eliminated our need to waste our 2nd and 1st round pick on a kid whose done nothing yet and allowed us to position ourselves to get ryan or Flacco instead in the the following draft without mortgaging our future. So yeah Quinn has to show now he's worth that investment , ultimately He may prove out , but certainly after three years he's long overdue. He was our best QB in Green Bay , but that ain't saying much considering that abysmal showing. Bottom line he has to play much better , with the quickness or we're looking at the wrong side of a slow season start. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:12 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
Disagree. For ten years we've paid the price for not drafting and or signing good DL and OL.
That's just not true. 5 of the 10 first round picks have been for OL or DL... Courtney, Gerard, Faine, Thomas and Mack. + Wimbley who plays 50% hand down DE.
By far, the most money spent in free agency has gone to the OL or DL. .. Bentley, Steinbach, Rogers and Williams.
We've devoted far more resources to those positions than to any others on the team.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:27 PM
Re: 8/10/99
marktroy wrote: Couch=The Franchise
McCown=the real deal with great feel
Frye=IT (moxy plus!)
DA=a cannon the likes of which we've never seen in CLE.
Gradkowski=Quinn's biggest competition in 2009 after Gruden screwed him over in TB
Ratliff=Quinn's brains and DA's arm
Sanchez=rocket-armed bag-o-chips with the most amazing Pro Day ever witnessed
Russell=an arm that can't be taught on a body that can't be sacked
Quinn=noodle-armed, pretty boy with the ND pedigree
I've missed a few, but all we need is for his record to stay perfect and Quinn's a lock to be exactly what we need. SD: Never said Quinn had a noodle arm , but that he was muscle bound contributing to his inaccuarcy. Also said he wasn't in the same galaxy when it came to throwing the pill as Jamarcus Russel and he wasn't worthy to be picked in the top five but wouldn't be surprised if the Browns filled that position with him at the third pick , with QB being overvalued due to their scarcity. Called out Couch as a farce long before it was popular and predicted holcomb would smoke him in a legit competition , just like i said we would see an improvement from our QB position with couch out prior to the epic inbred contest when Holcolmb surprised all for 429 yards in an ill fated loss. I'm on record that Quinn is serviceable but he's far from great , because he hasn't even shown he's good yet. He has to be all that and a bag of chips or we picked the wrong deal once again , just like Couch and blowing it on Benny. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:27 PM
Re: 8/10/99
SD:
Couch started out correctly, he was engaged to be married and looked for all the World like a blue collar kid makes good, then he got cash the big head dumped his sweetie and grew an arrogance that would make dandelions look rare.
AA:
Trouble is that Couch got the cash when he signed his rookie deal and a good year before he met his future wife. They married a year after he left the Browns.
You know, sometimes certain players were never cut out to excel in the NFL the way they did in college. Fans don't need to invent stories about how their correct upbringing got lost along the way.
SD:
Sanchez bucked his coach assessed a weak QB market entered the draft and is living the dream following his own screen writers script.
AA:
Yea, rather than stay in school and perfect his craft, Sanchez went for the bright lights, big city and cash... the very recipe that puts him on the track you claim Couch traveled.
Point is that you can't judge a career on the first preseason game.
SD:
Brady has to pan out , because at this point its looking more and more like we indeed passed off one of those franchise thingies to the Jets.
AA:
Yea, and the operative words being "at this point." "At this point" never comes too early for you.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:32 PM
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Doesn't take much to get your panties in a bunch
When my panties are actually in a bunch you'll be the first to know. In the meantime, I'm just begging you to stay away from my boy. You're the KOD.
And that means forever. After he wins this silly gameshow competition, as he gains experience and develops, after he starts winning ball games with quality play, and in 2010 when he makes this team a playoff contender.
I'll expect you to take one for the team on this.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:34 PM
Re: 8/10/99
lbsouth1 wrote: U left out:
Holcomb
McCown
Garcia SD: All of who played with varying degrees of success long after we pried couches panties out of your mouth and his bobblehead outta your arse when you got all melty finally realizing what i had been telling you all along . Your bouy wasn't sheeit SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:38 PM
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marktroy wrote: Doesn't take much to get your panties in a bunch
When my panties are actually in a bunch you'll be the first to know. In the meantime, I'm just begging you to stay away from my boy. You're the KOD.
And that means forever. After he wins this silly gameshow competition, as he gains experience and develops, after he starts winning ball games with quality play, and in 2010 when he makes this team a playoff contender.
I'll expect you to take one for the team on this. SD: Why do i have to wait until 2010 , why can't your boy ramp up to Sanchez levels and go this year, and follow the mangy plan. SoulDawg WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:47 PM
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Why do i have to wait until 2010 , why can't your boy ramp up to Sanchez levels and go this year, and follow the mangy plan.
That's a new record--only one sentence and three mistakes.
You'll have to wait til 2010 because this isn't a good team.
Sanchez is not ahead of Quinn in any way. He's surrounded by better players though.
The Mangini plan is to develop this team so he can make a playoff run in 2010.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 2:07 PM
Re: The QB contrast post draft preseason.
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Sanchez - looks like the real deal. All of his pluses were seen and more. If he were our QB I'd be happy as hell but nothing is a lock yet. As fans though we want to look at the good when their is more than the bad and that is the way it is. IF this were Quinn or Sanchez was our pick he would be carried now on the shoulders of most here as now as the greatest yet.
Until Sanchez screws up or is schemed into playing poorly there isn't a reason in the world not to be optimistic just not conclusive.
DA - Had a disappointing start to say the least. Last year I bagged Quinn for an interception that was shown later to be the receivers fault. The receiver wasn't in the correct position.
I was one of the first saying how pour DA looked but now I'm hearing from 'Mangini' that Cribbs wasn't the intended target. BE was on a crossing pattern. If that's true then I don't fault DA as much as I did before. ON both passes he was hit while releasing.
Royal should have caught the lollipop DA threw as a result of being immediately hit. DA didn't show much but he shouldn't be banged as hard as Quinn supporters are hitting him either. While I still don't trust Mangini overall I think he knows better in what is being asked for in the games and the fact this would be the greatest of all opportunities in giving Quinn the job says volumes in that he hasn't yet.
DA has everything to prove this week. A draw or close isn't good enough. Quinn showed enough that if he can do it again and DA isn't clearly better, for the sake of the team Quinn should be named the starter. If DA plays well and Quinn doesn't then it goes on another week. I think Mangini is going to be more patient because we are not a good team this year and there isn't a lot of high expectations riding on this. He will let it play out as long as needed.
Quinn - Looked much better than I thought he would. He has enough of an arm IF we play to his strengths. Couch could also go downfield but ONLY when he had plenty of time to get set and get his body behind the throw. Quinn mostly likely is the same. Since things don't always go 'ideally', going long, won't be something we see much of. Quinn read the defenses well, was in control of the team and was far more athletic.
His concerns were real too. He also needs to overcome accuracy issues. He missed a wide open Cribbs wide on his first drive. Came close to a interception when whirling around in the second drive and threw behind the receiver in the endzone. All of the good can be undone if a crucial pick or missed opportunty takes place, just ask DA. Accuracy is still an issue which may be timing and more needed reps more than him alone.
We also need to see what happens when Quinn is schemed. Can he adjust? Can he read more complicated schemes than what he is seeing now? Can he keep defenses honest by making them play back? Much of this won't be seen until the real games start.
If he continues to improve he can be the real deal. He may not be as flashy but he may win as well as anyone else. We will also need a running game more so with Quinn to keep defenses honest.
He just needs to stay the course and reduce his mistakes and DA will be hard pressed to win the job. It's now Quinn to lose.
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Posted: 8/18/2009 3:11 PM
Re: 8/10/99
----Aardvark wrote: ---------------
SD:
Couch started out correctly, he was engaged to be married and looked for all the World like a blue collar kid makes good, then he got cash the big head dumped his sweetie and grew an arrogance that would make dandelions look rare.
AA:
Trouble is that Couch got the cash when he signed his rookie deal and a good year before he met his future wife. They married a year after he left the Browns.
You know, sometimes certain players were never cut out to excel in the NFL the way they did in college. Fans don't need to invent stories about how their correct upbringing got lost along the way.
SD:
Sanchez bucked his coach assessed a weak QB market entered the draft and is living the dream following his own screen writers script.
AA:
Yea, rather than stay in school and perfect his craft, Sanchez went for the bright lights, big city and cash... the very recipe that puts him on the track you claim Couch traveled.
Point is that you can't judge a career on the first preseason game.
SD:
Brady has to pan out , because at this point its looking more and more like we indeed passed off one of those franchise thingies to the Jets.
AA:
Yea, and the operative words being "at this point." "At this point" never comes too early for you.
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SD74:
No reinvention it was part of the package of goods selling us his wholesome character and all.
You can check Couch was engaged pre draft.
he married another afer he dumped his College sweetie.
The other woman carried away the Jack.
i bought into the same Bill of Goods policy sold everybody else on the deal in regards to couch.
Butt with Culpepper the RICKEY deal and Mcnabb and a couple others in that draft , considering how it turned out with Timmie.
it was a swing and a miss.
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