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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:53 AM

Lombardi couldn't find steel in a bag of Hammers 



JH360 wrote: He's making the decision so I thought it prudent to see and discuss how he thinks through his own articles.

Few have necessary traits to draft, coach quarterbacks

Interesting article where he breaks down three areas he thinks are key in evaluating a QB.
System - Physical skills - Leadership
He concludes with projecting Ryan Mallett and Blaine Gabbert as the most likely to succeed.
Not comforting he thought so highly of Blaine while so many arm chair GMs were correctly pointing out his critical flaws, but...
It just emphasizes the need for a new QB to come into a stable situation.
System and staff with some talent upfront for protection and talent to throw to.
In some ways, Gabbert entered a perfect storm of dysfunction.

In reality, as Coach Walsh said, few can evaluate these areas correctly. And the more evaluators a team has involved in the process, the chance for a misevaluation increases. More evaluations just means more opinions -- it never results in a better way to reduce errors. As someone once said, they never dedicated a monument to a committee. When there is a committee evaluating quarterbacks, chances run high that mistakes will be made.


Don't be fooled by what teams say about draft prospects
What I know:
In spite of all the perceived off-the-field issues, many of them not accurate, Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett will be a first-round pick and might be gone before the 15th overall. Teams that wanted to pick Mallett at the bottom of the first round now realize he is not going to reach them.

Some teams took risks on QBs that could haunt them for years

Patriots:
For the past two months, I have been a Ryan Mallett fan. I understand he has some off-the-field issues, but from my research, he loves football, prepares to play well and wants to succeed. For New England to get him in the third round is amazing and indicates Bill Belichick might be coaching the Patriots for the next 10 years. Mallett was the last quarterback picked of seven to go in the first three rounds. The other six teams better hope he was not the best of the bunch. He was rated the No. 1 quarterback on the Patriots' board.
More praise for Mallett while frowning on the Niners choice of Kaepernick...
"Kaepernick will take some time to develop. Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter."
Ouch. In his defense, the NFL is changing pretty rapidly.
The adaptation of pro offenses to these QBs college ones has changed the game.
Mobility is a more coveted skill set then ever before.
That has to have changed his take on Mallett to some degree.
But that still a pretty far off projection of Kaepernick.
Not to mention completely missing on how large the character & mobility factors on Mallett's stock would be.


Rookie QBs show promise in first preseason action

Mallett:
Looking good In New England's Thursday night win over Jacksonville, Ryan Mallett played like the first overall pick in the draft, not a third-rounder. He was quick-minded with the football and accurate on every level. He put the ball in the end zone and looked like a 10-year veteran running the two-minute drill. Mallett clearly showed to everyone he was not a third-round talent. According to my sources, he has been a great person and teammate in New England. Mallett was by far the best rookie quarterback and will get a huge amount of work this week in Tampa. Mallett is involved in a steep competition for the backup job in New England as current No. 2 Brian Hoyer also played really well. The third-year pro has the look of a bona fide NFL starter.
Small bits of what his thinking was in 11' but I've come away more convinced that he's going to make a play for Mallett.
If he liked Mallett that much coming out of Arkansas with the character baggage as a mid first round pick, I think it's safe to say he likes him after 2 years learning under HOFers Brady and Belichick.
What's changed some is the demand for mobility and the adpation of the spread & spread option.
He also made it clear that he didn't think Weeden was worthy of a first round pick after the draft.
He was further critical of him late in the season but that may have been a case of confirmation bias.
As might have been his heavy praise of Mallett in the pre season but... this is the guy making the personnel decisions.
I don't think BB drafted Mallett with the idea of him succeeding Brady whatsoever.
It was for just this scenario-to flip it into more picks.
It's one option out of many but it's looking very probable to me and I'm not sure how many other viable candidates are out there if he's trying to make a move this off season.
SD:

His fetish for Mallet with the size 17 slow footed shoes  makes Bellichicks meltdown when the Jets outmanuevered him for tight end seem conservative .

The front office boxed themselves into a corner shooting their mouths off about Weeden , and now have to justify such stoopidity as the realities of the market finally begin to dawn on them .

Lombardi better Ask Dorothy , sometimes there is no place like home .

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto...out_the_71.html

"Nobody right now is in this draft saying, 'If I'm Cleveland, I've got to take this quarterback even though I have Brandon Weeden.' There's no quarterback that screams out, saying, 'Take me, even though you have Weeden because I'm that much better.' There's nobody. So I don't think Cleveland's going to be able to find that guy."

2013-14 season.


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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:11 AM

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Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:02 PM

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poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.


+ 1

Nailed it.

The upside is that all you need to do is find out where Dave Chappelle is hiding and between Mallett and Gordon you got your "How High? 2 " cast all set.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:13 PM

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poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
Don't be surprised if it's Matt Moore and not Mallard.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:35 PM

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Wardawg11 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
Don't be surprised if it's Matt Moore and not Mallard.
Surprised? I've been calling for Moore since the SB. He's the FA QB I think we should sign.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:41 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.


I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really? Like what, he's going to get cut and be out of the league within two years?

He's got a future. It may be undetermined at to what level, but he's going to play in the league for awhile.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:19 PM

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Gameface64 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote:

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.


I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really? Like what, he's going to get cut and be out of the league within two years?

He's got a future. It may be undetermined at to what level, but he's going to play in the league for awhile.

Great line there Game. You and that crazy SD have kept me in stitches today.

Bad choice of words on my part, more like no upside.

Alex Smith isn't leading any team to a championship. We can fail with who we already have, that's my point. No need to waste resourses signing or trading for what we already have.

The difference between Smith and Weeden is we know Smith can't get it done. His own HC benched him with his team leading the division. If they don't want him, why should we?

What we don't know is how good Weeden could be in an offense designed to take advantage of his skill set. I hope we get a chance to see.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:21 PM

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Gameface64 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote:

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.


I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really? Like what, he's going to get cut and be out of the league within two years?

He's got a future. It may be undetermined at to what level, but he's going to play in the league for awhile.
GF,

Smith does have a future, Indeed he is better than  what most teams have as a starting QB.  If the talk of big arm downfield QB is just smoke and mirrors, he could be Chuds guy and if he is the "fit" he is a good choice. He has become and NFL quality QB.  IMO, the discussion of Smith being unacceptable is largely based on what we are supposed to have as an offense. Smith doesn't sparkle and shine, but he is solid if in a stable offense.

I don't see him as a fit with our challenged offense, nor as a fit in what Turner has run as an offense, still Lombardi??? Chud???  who knows?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:44 AM

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Wardawg11 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
Don't be surprised if it's Matt Moore and not Mallard.
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...-stay-in-miami/

According to this column, Norv Turner is a "big fan" of Matt Moore and tried to get him to come to San Diego in 2011. Moore went to Miami because he had a better chance to start. Same reason he might bolt Miami to come to Cleveland.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:09 AM

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poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
I'm not sure how lateral a move it is when one is 30yrs old and the other is 24.
Mallett's velocity on the ball is also considerably more then Weeden's.
As far as footwork, he's had a couple seasons watching a guy who's fanatical about mechanics and footwork, to improve his own. Presumably.

I don't I get the Matt Moore interest.
McCoy has better tools then him.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 11:24 AM

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JH360:

I don't I get the Matt Moore interest.
McCoy has better tools then him.

SD:

Maybe he's carrying them around in the back of his Ford pickup , because there is nothing that manifests itself on the field for you to espouse such a view.

The dude has zero pocket presence , can't spot a blitz if western union sends him a prior notification , can't throw the ball out of range of a Texas noon shadow , telegraphs his intent to the point a DB can take his time before he jumps routes , and has shown the ability to read defenses and run an NFL offense on par with grade school intramural recess .

If you like your QB's to throw bullets into the dirt at the feet of your  receivers when they aren't reaching behind them over their heads  or made to  flail at easy passes thrown out of their reach  then he's your guy .

Moore won 6 out of 9 games and led his team on a resurgent turnaround end of the season , outplaying their #1 QB enroute to respectability years end .

McCoy is the fourth best QB on this team behind Cribbs when he lines up at wildcat.

If not for Holmgrens fetish and ignorant hubris , he'd of been roping Calves and well into the start of his real career last year instead of  wasting space on our roster this year .

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Posted: 2/19/2013 12:04 PM

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"I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really?"

-- Smith has some experience and has a good relationship with Turner as far as I can see. If he can be gotten for the right price, the Browns could do worse. But where can he take them with his skill set and his age?

Weeden is a bit more of an unknown. But he also is the same age as Smith. His time for any learning curve is a bit constricted. That was down-played last year, but is perhaps a bit more on the radar now. 

Both guys have some good and some bad. Both are limited as far as being "franchise QBs". If the Browns can get Smith for the right price, there's little down-side and at least the upside of having some experience and depth at that position.

Not sure what to make of Lombardi at this point. It will be interesting to see how the new guys do.

As far as Haslam, the new owner still gets a C at this point. It's funny how owners attract criticism and praise. However that is masked by "evaluation". 

Lerner had the image of being a Cleveland guy who wore Browns PJs in his youth. His Cleveland "connections" were counted on by some, even though he spent more time in Long Island and bought a soccer team in England. But the team's lack of consistency and the team's record under him tell the final truth about his era.

Now we have Haslam. There are some who praise his persona and experience and looks and some who criticize his FO and his Knoxville ties and truck-stop experience. What will really matter is the team's record in his era. Until then, however, the scene is open for dog fights of any shape. 

My dog so far distrusts the Banner/Lombardi connection but likes the Chud/Turner connection. A definite C. Which is reliably unreliable and disputably indisputable. 



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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:11 PM

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SoulDawg74 wrote: JH360:

I don't I get the Matt Moore interest.
McCoy has better tools then him.

SD:

Maybe he's carrying them around in the back of his Ford pickup , because there is nothing that manifests itself on the field for you to espouse such a view.

The dude has zero pocket presence , can't spot a blitz if western union sends him a prior notification , can't throw the ball out of range of a Texas noon shadow , telegraphs his intent to the point a DB can take his time before he jumps routes , and has shown the ability to read defenses and run an NFL offense on par with grade school intramural recess .

If you like your QB's to throw bullets into the dirt at the feet of your  receivers when they aren't reaching behind them over their heads  or made to  flail at easy passes thrown out of their reach  then he's your guy .

Moore won 6 out of 9 games and led his team on a resurgent turnaround end of the season , outplaying their #1 QB enroute to respectability years end .

McCoy is the fourth best QB on this team behind Cribbs when he lines up at wildcat.

If not for Holmgrens fetish and ignorant hubris , he'd of been roping Calves and well into the start of his real career last year instead of  wasting space on our roster this year .

SoulDawg
Damn u for making me have to defend McCoy;
That's a great assessment of how he played in relief in Denver.
But your basically ignoring the display he put on for about 17gms when healthy the past 2yrs.
He's got identical arm strength as Moore and is Big Ben compared to Moore's mobility and strength.
And I guess you don't remember Matt in Carolina.
He hasn't really changed, he was just on a better team with a pretty good playcaller. (that's right, Daboll)
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:35 PM

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JH360 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
I'm not sure how lateral a move it is when one is 30yrs old and the other is 24.
Mallett's velocity on the ball is also considerably more then Weeden's.
As far as footwork, he's had a couple seasons watching a guy who's fanatical about mechanics and footwork, to improve his own. Presumably.

I don't I get the Matt Moore interest.
McCoy has better tools then him.
It's hard to have a discussion about football with anyone who thinks Kult McCoy is anything other than a wasted roster spot. But here goes.

First off, Weeden is 29 not 30.

Secondly it's a lateral move b/c they have the same skill set. And no Mallet doesn't have more velocity on the ball than BW. Afterall, Weeden is a former baseball pitcher.

And clearly Weeden is the better athlete. The only thing Mallet has on Weeden is size. And with feet like Bozo his foot work had better be good.

Mallet comes with off field concerns as well as maturity issues and no NFL experience. But he's a Lombardi guy so he's got that going for him.

I just don't see any upgrade, let alone enough to justify spending a 2nd rd pick to acquire him. And that's what it would take to get him, if not more.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 5:33 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:
It's hard to have a discussion about football with anyone who thinks Kult McCoy is anything other than a wasted roster spot. But here goes.

First off, Weeden is 29 not 30.

Secondly it's a lateral move b/c they have the same skill set. And no Mallet doesn't have more velocity on the ball than BW. Afterall, Weeden is a former baseball pitcher.

And clearly Weeden is the better athlete. The only thing Mallet has on Weeden is size. And with feet like Bozo his foot work had better be good.

Mallet comes with off field concerns as well as maturity issues and no NFL experience. But he's a Lombardi guy so he's got that going for him.

I just don't see any upgrade, let alone enough to justify spending a 2nd rd pick to acquire him. And that's what it would take to get him, if not more.
C'mon. I've disliked the guy since before he was drafted but he's at least better then Brady Quinn and a few others that are still earning pro paychecks.

You really don't think Mallet has greater arm strength then Weeden?
Don't know what to tell you.

I agree they're sort of similar but with the age and better arm talent (imo), I can see how it can be looked at as an upgrade.
Butzmark wrote: Brady is 35. If Mallet has shown himself to be the real deal, NE's not letting him go.
For Weeden then? He is younger, just sayin;
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Posted: 2/19/2013 7:26 PM

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JH360 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote: JH360:

I don't I get the Matt Moore interest.
McCoy has better tools then him.

SD:

Maybe he's carrying them around in the back of his Ford pickup , because there is nothing that manifests itself on the field for you to espouse such a view.

The dude has zero pocket presence , can't spot a blitz if western union sends him a prior notification , can't throw the ball out of range of a Texas noon shadow , telegraphs his intent to the point a DB can take his time before he jumps routes , and has shown the ability to read defenses and run an NFL offense on par with grade school intramural recess .

If you like your QB's to throw bullets into the dirt at the feet of your  receivers when they aren't reaching behind them over their heads  or made to  flail at easy passes thrown out of their reach  then he's your guy .

Moore won 6 out of 9 games and led his team on a resurgent turnaround end of the season , outplaying their #1 QB enroute to respectability years end .

McCoy is the fourth best QB on this team behind Cribbs when he lines up at wildcat.

If not for Holmgrens fetish and ignorant hubris , he'd of been roping Calves and well into the start of his real career last year instead of  wasting space on our roster this year .

SoulDawg
Damn u for making me have to defend McCoy;
That's a great assessment of how he played in relief in Denver.
But your basically ignoring the display he put on for about 17gms when healthy the past 2yrs.
He's got identical arm strength as Moore and is Big Ben compared to Moore's mobility and strength.
And I guess you don't remember Matt in Carolina.
He hasn't really changed, he was just on a better team with a pretty good playcaller. (that's right, Daboll)
SD:

When you get done reading this post , I strongly suggest you invest in a pair of glasses before you watch any football next season ,especially if you dare to compare McCoy's misadventures  the last two  years with anything Moore did and still think the Calf humper is the better bet.

The little sucka that couldn't won 6 games outta 21 starts  in my book and appeared in three others in 2012 which don't count for sheeet, yet as a third round draftee with beacoup experience after being gifted a starters job in 2011 in which the team bypassed Cam Newton  Dalton kappernick Locker and even Ponder , let alone Mallet in lieu of treating that worthless Texas scrubbrush like he was Joe Montanna reincarnate , on the back of a season ending three game losing streak 2010 that rivaled the Titanic for bottom sucking .

A phenom who couldn't warrant one sniff in cmpensation from other teams when put on the trading block , despite making NFL minimum and more game expereince in this first two Years than aaron Rodgers .

If you traded Colt tommorrow with a six pack of beer and a second round pick a team might give you a fifth in exchange as long as the beer was good , because he's a locker room cancer  who'd toss his own mother under the bus with delusions of grandeur, while Moore has played the consummate pro at every stop in multiple systems.

NorV Turner and the front office really like him , which is why they have an all points bulletin  out to the league to upgrade the competition behind Weeden, even willing to replace Weeds himself  , Don't think they sent the Colty a copy .

The nerve not to recognize such an all powerful piece of manure , or a erp manpower.


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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:16 AM

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

When you get done reading this post , I strongly suggest you invest in a pair of glasses before you watch any football next season ,especially if you dare to compare McCoy's misadventures  the last two  years with anything Moore did and still think the Calf humper is the better bet.

The little sucka that couldn't won 6 games outta 21 starts  in my book and appeared in three others in 2012 which don't count for sheeet, yet as a third round draftee with beacoup experience after being gifted a starters job in 2011 in which the team bypassed Cam Newton  Dalton kappernick Locker and even Ponder , let alone Mallet in lieu of treating that worthless Texas scrubbrush like he was Joe Montanna reincarnate , on the back of a season ending three game losing streak 2010 that rivaled the Titanic for bottom sucking .

A phenom who couldn't warrant one sniff in cmpensation from other teams when put on the trading block , despite making NFL minimum and more game expereince in this first two Years than aaron Rodgers .

If you traded Colt tommorrow with a six pack of beer and a second round pick a team might give you a fifth in exchange as long as the beer was good , because he's a locker room cancer  who'd toss his own mother under the bus with delusions of grandeur, while Moore has played the consummate pro at every stop in multiple systems.

NorV Turner and the front office really like him , which is why they have an all points bulletin  out to the league to upgrade the competition behind Weeden, even willing to replace Weeds himself  , Don't think they sent the Colty a copy .

The nerve not to recognize such an all powerful piece of manure , or a erp manpower.


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Posted: 2/20/2013 7:52 AM

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JH360 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

When you get done reading this post , I strongly suggest you invest in a pair of glasses before you watch any football next season ,especially if you dare to compare McCoy's misadventures  the last two  years with anything Moore did and still think the Calf humper is the better bet.

The little sucka that couldn't won 6 games outta 21 starts  in my book and appeared in three others in 2012 which don't count for sheeet, yet as a third round draftee with beacoup experience after being gifted a starters job in 2011 in which the team bypassed Cam Newton  Dalton kappernick Locker and even Ponder , let alone Mallet in lieu of treating that worthless Texas scrubbrush like he was Joe Montanna reincarnate , on the back of a season ending three game losing streak 2010 that rivaled the Titanic for bottom sucking .

A phenom who couldn't warrant one sniff in cmpensation from other teams when put on the trading block , despite making NFL minimum and more game expereince in this first two Years than aaron Rodgers .

If you traded Colt tommorrow with a six pack of beer and a second round pick a team might give you a fifth in exchange as long as the beer was good , because he's a locker room cancer  who'd toss his own mother under the bus with delusions of grandeur, while Moore has played the consummate pro at every stop in multiple systems.

NorV Turner and the front office really like him , which is why they have an all points bulletin  out to the league to upgrade the competition behind Weeden, even willing to replace Weeds himself  , Don't think they sent the Colty a copy .

The nerve not to recognize such an all powerful piece of manure , or a erp manpower.


SoulDawg


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SD:

Nope your own groupie denials have been exposed  in thinking Colt McCoy has a future in this league beyond the half life of an expiring nuclear particle , since you failed to recognize a truly talented response of hyperbolic   fact , which is so sadly and ironically all too true.

There is nothing of benefit , McCoy can bring to this team particularly in this system which stresses down field precision .

He's worse than a Mike Junkin screw up draft disaster , because the team compounded their original stupidity when they found him severely wanting end of 2010 with an exclusive year in which they deliberately squashed all and any opportunity to upgrade the position , due to a colossal lard azz hubric brain fart by a big pimping QB guru fool , who couldn't pick his own azz let alone legit NFL QB talent.

As a result we bypassed one half dozen better starting caliber QB talents , and submitted a halfwits  half hearted effort to secure the most talented QB in the last quarter century in RG3 , who had the ability to back up the Heisman trophy with rookie of the year en route to leading his team to its first playoff appearance this Century in a cocked up offense unfit for middle school which ignores his great passing talent in a passing league.

That we're even talking about this calf humpin disgrace of a wasted roster space instead of enjoying an off season after  what would have been a playoff run had we of drafted RG3  underscores the sad state of affairs and limited  understanding  of what it takes to win in this league by not just you , but many within this fan base .

Players , not media driven puppy faced politically savvy  wannabee fake azz  Rudy's .


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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:29 AM

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Nope your own groupie denials have been exposed  in thinking Colt McCoy has a future in this league beyond the half life of an expiring nuclear particle , since you failed to recognize a truly talented response of hyperbolic   fact , which is so sadly and ironically all too true.

There is nothing of benefit , McCoy can bring to this team particularly in this system which stresses down field precision .

He's worse than a Mike Junkin screw up draft disaster , because the team compounded their original stupidity when they found him severely wanting end of 2010 with an exclusive year in which they deliberately squashed all and any opportunity to upgrade the position , due to a colossal lard azz hubric brain fart by a big pimping QB guru fool , who couldn't pick his own azz let alone legit NFL QB talent.

As a result we bypassed one half dozen better starting caliber QB talents , and submitted a halfwits  half hearted effort to secure the most talented QB in the last quarter century in RG3 , who had the ability to back up the Heisman trophy with rookie of the year en route to leading his team to its first playoff appearance this Century in a cocked up offense unfit for middle school which ignores his great passing talent in a passing league.

That we're even talking about this calf humpin disgrace of a wasted roster space instead of enjoying an off season after  what would have been a playoff run had we of drafted RG3  underscores the sad state of affairs and limited  understanding  of what it takes to win in this league by not just you , but many within this fan base .

Players , not media driven puppy faced politically savvy  wannabee fake azz  Rudy's .


SoulDawg
Wait. "groupie denials" How dare you. lol

I don't want him on the team this season.
I just think there's hardly a difference between him and Moore.

Lamenting over their miss steps is tough but I'm not going to pile on Colt.
He's better then I thought he'd be-I didn't see any sort of NFL future for him at Texas.

It would have been interesting to see Griffin in Shurmur's offense.
As talented as he is, I don't think the ROY race would have been as close.

I liked Mallett a lot in 11'. Kaepernick too, and I thought he'd sneak into the first round.
Ashamed to say I also liked Gabbert and hated Dalton.

Last year I was pimping Brock Osweiler to the Browns as hard as I could.
This year I like Tyler Wilson quite a bit.

But Matt Moore is purely a back up.
Scooping him up is akin to signing Delhomme.
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SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Nope your own groupie denials have been exposed  in thinking Colt McCoy has a future in this league beyond the half life of an expiring nuclear particle , since you failed to recognize a truly talented response of hyperbolic   fact , which is so sadly and ironically all too true.

There is nothing of benefit , McCoy can bring to this team particularly in this system which stresses down field precision .

He's worse than a Mike Junkin screw up draft disaster , because the team compounded their original stupidity when they found him severely wanting end of 2010 with an exclusive year in which they deliberately squashed all and any opportunity to upgrade the position , due to a colossal lard azz hubric brain fart by a big pimping QB guru fool , who couldn't pick his own azz let alone legit NFL QB talent.

As a result we bypassed one half dozen better starting caliber QB talents , and submitted a halfwits  half hearted effort to secure the most talented QB in the last quarter century in RG3 , who had the ability to back up the Heisman trophy with rookie of the year en route to leading his team to its first playoff appearance this Century in a cocked up offense unfit for middle school which ignores his great passing talent in a passing league.

That we're even talking about this calf humpin disgrace of a wasted roster space instead of enjoying an off season after  what would have been a playoff run had we of drafted RG3  underscores the sad state of affairs and limited  understanding  of what it takes to win in this league by not just you , but many within this fan base .

Players , not media driven puppy faced politically savvy  wannabee fake azz  Rudy's .


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Wait. "groupie denials" How dare you. lol

I don't want him on the team this season.
I just think there's hardly a difference between him and Moore.

Lamenting over their miss steps is tough but I'm not going to pile on Colt.
He's better then I thought he'd be-I didn't see any sort of NFL future for him at Texas.

It would have been interesting to see Griffin in Shurmur's offense.
As talented as he is, I don't think the ROY race would have been as close.

I liked Mallett a lot in 11'. Kaepernick too, and I thought he'd sneak into the first round.
Ashamed to say I also liked Gabbert and hated Dalton.

Last year I was pimping Brock Osweiler to the Browns as hard as I could.
This year I like Tyler Wilson quite a bit.

But Matt Moore is purely a back up.
Scooping him up is akin to signing Delhomme.

SD:

Delhomme at one time could play , unfortunately the rubbish the Browns signed off the scrap heap , had blown a gasket and become an interception machine incarnate , the toils of the NFL wars had taken their toll.

Moore is a young journeyman sans a pedigree following a similar carreer path as Rich Gannon as a knock about , his recent play and production would seem to indicate he's learning and improving in his varied roles  playing for scraps and fighting for his career life .

He still has a future in this league , although he may never break that glass ceiling as the man .

He's legit talent which can run this offense and push Weeden's development and a solid pickup which costs us squat in cash or draft resources  unlike Smith who could cost us both  and whose training is in an offense opposite of what we plan to run .

The cost of his aquisition alone wouldn't allow the maximization of the investment we spent on Weeden , because if Weeds beat him out ,the outlay o aquire Smith would be a waste , and if Smith won the job , he'd still only be a costly placeholder until we could upgrade in 2014 based on his underwelming 7 year record overall of substandard achievement in a career whose best passing days barely eclipsed what Weeden achieved as a bare azz rookie .

Nope the best use is to bring in an Anderson or Moore to light a fire behind Weeds which  upgrades the position behind what Mccoys paltry entre offers and husband draft resources toward 2014 should Weeden fail to take that next step .

Meantime the offense won't suffer the horrid regression of the Calf humpin Texas two step while he plays us his entitlement song of woe , when he's not explaining how he's doing everybody a favor throwing balls into the dirt so his receivers could catch their breath

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