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Lombardi:Finding our franchise QB

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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:02 AM

Lombardi:Finding our franchise QB 


He's making the decision so I thought it prudent to see and discuss how he thinks through his own articles.

Few have necessary traits to draft, coach quarterbacks

Interesting article where he breaks down three areas he thinks are key in evaluating a QB.
System - Physical skills - Leadership
He concludes with projecting Ryan Mallett and Blaine Gabbert as the most likely to succeed.
Not comforting he thought so highly of Blaine while so many arm chair GMs were correctly pointing out his critical flaws, but...
It just emphasizes the need for a new QB to come into a stable situation.
System and staff with some talent upfront for protection and talent to throw to.
In some ways, Gabbert entered a perfect storm of dysfunction.

In reality, as Coach Walsh said, few can evaluate these areas correctly. And the more evaluators a team has involved in the process, the chance for a misevaluation increases. More evaluations just means more opinions -- it never results in a better way to reduce errors. As someone once said, they never dedicated a monument to a committee. When there is a committee evaluating quarterbacks, chances run high that mistakes will be made.


Don't be fooled by what teams say about draft prospects
What I know:
In spite of all the perceived off-the-field issues, many of them not accurate, Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett will be a first-round pick and might be gone before the 15th overall. Teams that wanted to pick Mallett at the bottom of the first round now realize he is not going to reach them.

Some teams took risks on QBs that could haunt them for years

Patriots:
For the past two months, I have been a Ryan Mallett fan. I understand he has some off-the-field issues, but from my research, he loves football, prepares to play well and wants to succeed. For New England to get him in the third round is amazing and indicates Bill Belichick might be coaching the Patriots for the next 10 years. Mallett was the last quarterback picked of seven to go in the first three rounds. The other six teams better hope he was not the best of the bunch. He was rated the No. 1 quarterback on the Patriots' board.
More praise for Mallett while frowning on the Niners choice of Kaepernick...
"Kaepernick will take some time to develop. Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter."
Ouch. In his defense, the NFL is changing pretty rapidly.
The adaptation of pro offenses to these QBs college ones has changed the game.
Mobility is a more coveted skill set then ever before.
That has to have changed his take on Mallett to some degree.
But that still a pretty far off projection of Kaepernick.
Not to mention completely missing on how large the character & mobility factors on Mallett's stock would be.


Rookie QBs show promise in first preseason action

Mallett:
Looking good In New England's Thursday night win over Jacksonville, Ryan Mallett played like the first overall pick in the draft, not a third-rounder. He was quick-minded with the football and accurate on every level. He put the ball in the end zone and looked like a 10-year veteran running the two-minute drill. Mallett clearly showed to everyone he was not a third-round talent. According to my sources, he has been a great person and teammate in New England. Mallett was by far the best rookie quarterback and will get a huge amount of work this week in Tampa. Mallett is involved in a steep competition for the backup job in New England as current No. 2 Brian Hoyer also played really well. The third-year pro has the look of a bona fide NFL starter.
Small bits of what his thinking was in 11' but I've come away more convinced that he's going to make a play for Mallett.
If he liked Mallett that much coming out of Arkansas with the character baggage as a mid first round pick, I think it's safe to say he likes him after 2 years learning under HOFers Brady and Belichick.
What's changed some is the demand for mobility and the adpation of the spread & spread option.
He also made it clear that he didn't think Weeden was worthy of a first round pick after the draft.
He was further critical of him late in the season but that may have been a case of confirmation bias.
As might have been his heavy praise of Mallett in the pre season but... this is the guy making the personnel decisions.
I don't think BB drafted Mallett with the idea of him succeeding Brady whatsoever.
It was for just this scenario-to flip it into more picks.
It's one option out of many but it's looking very probable to me and I'm not sure how many other viable candidates are out there if he's trying to make a move this off season.
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Last edited 2/18/2013 2:03 AM by JH360

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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:34 AM

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It's interesting he disses the committee idea. Banner and Haslam laid it out that picks would be made by "consensus".
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:53 AM

Lombardi couldn't find steel in a bag of Hammers 



JH360 wrote: He's making the decision so I thought it prudent to see and discuss how he thinks through his own articles.

Few have necessary traits to draft, coach quarterbacks

Interesting article where he breaks down three areas he thinks are key in evaluating a QB.
System - Physical skills - Leadership
He concludes with projecting Ryan Mallett and Blaine Gabbert as the most likely to succeed.
Not comforting he thought so highly of Blaine while so many arm chair GMs were correctly pointing out his critical flaws, but...
It just emphasizes the need for a new QB to come into a stable situation.
System and staff with some talent upfront for protection and talent to throw to.
In some ways, Gabbert entered a perfect storm of dysfunction.

In reality, as Coach Walsh said, few can evaluate these areas correctly. And the more evaluators a team has involved in the process, the chance for a misevaluation increases. More evaluations just means more opinions -- it never results in a better way to reduce errors. As someone once said, they never dedicated a monument to a committee. When there is a committee evaluating quarterbacks, chances run high that mistakes will be made.


Don't be fooled by what teams say about draft prospects
What I know:
In spite of all the perceived off-the-field issues, many of them not accurate, Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett will be a first-round pick and might be gone before the 15th overall. Teams that wanted to pick Mallett at the bottom of the first round now realize he is not going to reach them.

Some teams took risks on QBs that could haunt them for years

Patriots:
For the past two months, I have been a Ryan Mallett fan. I understand he has some off-the-field issues, but from my research, he loves football, prepares to play well and wants to succeed. For New England to get him in the third round is amazing and indicates Bill Belichick might be coaching the Patriots for the next 10 years. Mallett was the last quarterback picked of seven to go in the first three rounds. The other six teams better hope he was not the best of the bunch. He was rated the No. 1 quarterback on the Patriots' board.
More praise for Mallett while frowning on the Niners choice of Kaepernick...
"Kaepernick will take some time to develop. Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter."
Ouch. In his defense, the NFL is changing pretty rapidly.
The adaptation of pro offenses to these QBs college ones has changed the game.
Mobility is a more coveted skill set then ever before.
That has to have changed his take on Mallett to some degree.
But that still a pretty far off projection of Kaepernick.
Not to mention completely missing on how large the character & mobility factors on Mallett's stock would be.


Rookie QBs show promise in first preseason action

Mallett:
Looking good In New England's Thursday night win over Jacksonville, Ryan Mallett played like the first overall pick in the draft, not a third-rounder. He was quick-minded with the football and accurate on every level. He put the ball in the end zone and looked like a 10-year veteran running the two-minute drill. Mallett clearly showed to everyone he was not a third-round talent. According to my sources, he has been a great person and teammate in New England. Mallett was by far the best rookie quarterback and will get a huge amount of work this week in Tampa. Mallett is involved in a steep competition for the backup job in New England as current No. 2 Brian Hoyer also played really well. The third-year pro has the look of a bona fide NFL starter.
Small bits of what his thinking was in 11' but I've come away more convinced that he's going to make a play for Mallett.
If he liked Mallett that much coming out of Arkansas with the character baggage as a mid first round pick, I think it's safe to say he likes him after 2 years learning under HOFers Brady and Belichick.
What's changed some is the demand for mobility and the adpation of the spread & spread option.
He also made it clear that he didn't think Weeden was worthy of a first round pick after the draft.
He was further critical of him late in the season but that may have been a case of confirmation bias.
As might have been his heavy praise of Mallett in the pre season but... this is the guy making the personnel decisions.
I don't think BB drafted Mallett with the idea of him succeeding Brady whatsoever.
It was for just this scenario-to flip it into more picks.
It's one option out of many but it's looking very probable to me and I'm not sure how many other viable candidates are out there if he's trying to make a move this off season.
SD:

His fetish for Mallet with the size 17 slow footed shoes  makes Bellichicks meltdown when the Jets outmanuevered him for tight end seem conservative .

The front office boxed themselves into a corner shooting their mouths off about Weeden , and now have to justify such stoopidity as the realities of the market finally begin to dawn on them .

Lombardi better Ask Dorothy , sometimes there is no place like home .

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto...out_the_71.html

"Nobody right now is in this draft saying, 'If I'm Cleveland, I've got to take this quarterback even though I have Brandon Weeden.' There's no quarterback that screams out, saying, 'Take me, even though you have Weeden because I'm that much better.' There's nobody. So I don't think Cleveland's going to be able to find that guy."

2013-14 season.


SoulDawg

WAR : OUR TIME HAS COME
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:55 AM

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At the end of the day, I'm ok with Mallet at QB for the Browns. He fits what I believe Chud/Turner want to do.

However, I think it's foolish to giveup picks for a player who isn't a definite upgrade over what we already have on the roster. A player with no starting experience who has thrown 4 career passes, with one int.

But I do believe Mike Lombardi would do it in a NY minute.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:02 AM

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poppa9601 wrote: At the end of the day, I'm ok with Mallet at QB for the Browns. He fits what I believe Chud/Turner want to do.

However, I think it's foolish to giveup picks for a player who isn't a definite upgrade over what we already have on the roster. A player with no starting experience who has thrown 4 career passes, with one int.

But I do believe Mike Lombardi would do it in a NY minute.
SD:

Guy has a terrific arm , but his footwork  is even worse than Kosars duck waddling gait , and you could find more brain cells from the DNA smear on a licked postage stamp.


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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:11 AM

Re: Lombardi couldn't find steel in a bag of Hammers 


Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:16 AM

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" and you could find more brain cells from the DNA smear on a licked postage stamp."

SoulDawg


- That's some funny stuff right there.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:40 AM

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Thanks for the info, JH.

This is frightening on so many levels.  eek

1/6/04 Rest in peace "Daddy Wags." May perpetual light shine upon you.

"It's alright to have a hitch in your swing, but when you have a flaw in your hitch, you're in trouble." - Leon Wagner

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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:24 AM

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Pretty disheartening that our chief talent evaluator missed so badly on 3 QBs in one draft. Three years from now the picture might have changed, but day-um, Gibbert and Mallet over Kapernick? And what he writes seems self serving, trying to bolster his initial take on Mallet was correct based on a couple pre-season series. It'd be nice if he could admit being wrong, and that would indicate an ability to learn from mistakes.

And do I remember correctly that Mallet was 3rd string in NE?

I've posted many times that imo the key to successful franchise building is scouting and talent evaluation. If Lombardi doesn't have the gift, here's hoping he'll get out of the way and trust his best scouts.
>>> Decleater <<<
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:02 PM

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poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.


+ 1

Nailed it.

The upside is that all you need to do is find out where Dave Chappelle is hiding and between Mallett and Gordon you got your "How High? 2 " cast all set.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:11 PM

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Gameface64 wrote: Pretty disheartening that our chief talent evaluator missed so badly on 3 QBs in one draft. Three years from now the picture might have changed, but day-um, Gibbert and Mallet over Kapernick? And what he writes seems self serving, trying to bolster his initial take on Mallet was correct based on a couple pre-season series. It'd be nice if he could admit being wrong, and that would indicate an ability to learn from mistakes.

And do I remember correctly that Mallet was 3rd string in NE?

I've posted many times that imo the key to successful franchise building is scouting and talent evaluation. If Lombardi doesn't have the gift, here's hoping he'll get out of the way and trust his best scouts.
Reduced to hope.

Hope is not a plan.

I may just pull a T-Dog and divest until after this re-boot fails.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:17 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: Pretty disheartening that our chief talent evaluator missed so badly on 3 QBs in one draft. Three years from now the picture might have changed, but day-um, Gibbert and Mallet over Kapernick? And what he writes seems self serving, trying to bolster his initial take on Mallet was correct based on a couple pre-season series. It'd be nice if he could admit being wrong, and that would indicate an ability to learn from mistakes.

And do I remember correctly that Mallet was 3rd string in NE?

I've posted many times that imo the key to successful franchise building is scouting and talent evaluation. If Lombardi doesn't have the gift, here's hoping he'll get out of the way and trust his best scouts.
Reduced to hope.

Hope is not a plan.

I may just pull a T-Dog and divest until after this re-boot fails.
It's been 4 minutes and not one post begging me to stay.

let's get on the ball there, people.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:36 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: Pretty disheartening that our chief talent evaluator missed so badly on 3 QBs in one draft. Three years from now the picture might have changed, but day-um, Gibbert and Mallet over Kapernick? And what he writes seems self serving, trying to bolster his initial take on Mallet was correct based on a couple pre-season series. It'd be nice if he could admit being wrong, and that would indicate an ability to learn from mistakes.

And do I remember correctly that Mallet was 3rd string in NE?

I've posted many times that imo the key to successful franchise building is scouting and talent evaluation. If Lombardi doesn't have the gift, here's hoping he'll get out of the way and trust his best scouts.
Reduced to hope.

Hope is not a plan.

I may just pull a T-Dog and divest until after this re-boot fails.
It's been 4 minutes and not one post begging me to stay.

let's get on the ball there, people.

SD:

what are you carping about Dabessst been had room in his study since he cleaned out his Browns gear half a decade ago .

You can find sympathy there , if you don't want to leaf thru Websters and find it between shyte and Syphillus .

Sympathy is my middle name  call me anytime.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:13 PM

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poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
Don't be surprised if it's Matt Moore and not Mallard.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:35 PM

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Wardawg11 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote: Trading for Mallet is a lateral move. We already have a guy with his skill set on the roster.

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.

At this point both Smith and Mallet are change for change sake. Neither is an definite upgrade over Weeden.
Don't be surprised if it's Matt Moore and not Mallard.
Surprised? I've been calling for Moore since the SB. He's the FA QB I think we should sign.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:36 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
Reduced to hope.

Hope is not a plan.


We still have wishing.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:41 PM

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poppa9601 wrote:

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.


I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really? Like what, he's going to get cut and be out of the league within two years?

He's got a future. It may be undetermined at to what level, but he's going to play in the league for awhile.
>>> Decleater <<<
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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:00 PM

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Butzmark wrote: It's interesting he disses the committee idea. Banner and Haslam laid it out that picks would be made by "consensus".

So he picked Mallet and Gabbert and said only time would tell who was right. I wonder what he has to say now.

Mallet went in the third and will never see the field in NE.

Gabbert couldn't hit water if he fall out a boat.

I guess they won't be building any monuments to Mike Lombardi either.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:19 PM

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Gameface64 wrote:
poppa9601 wrote:

However if we do trade for someone I rather it be Mallet than a guy with no future like A.Smith.


I'm starting to feel like Alex Smith's lawyer. But "no future", really? Like what, he's going to get cut and be out of the league within two years?

He's got a future. It may be undetermined at to what level, but he's going to play in the league for awhile.

Great line there Game. You and that crazy SD have kept me in stitches today.

Bad choice of words on my part, more like no upside.

Alex Smith isn't leading any team to a championship. We can fail with who we already have, that's my point. No need to waste resourses signing or trading for what we already have.

The difference between Smith and Weeden is we know Smith can't get it done. His own HC benched him with his team leading the division. If they don't want him, why should we?

What we don't know is how good Weeden could be in an offense designed to take advantage of his skill set. I hope we get a chance to see.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:27 PM

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: Pretty disheartening that our chief talent evaluator missed so badly on 3 QBs in one draft. Three years from now the picture might have changed, but day-um, Gibbert and Mallet over Kapernick? And what he writes seems self serving, trying to bolster his initial take on Mallet was correct based on a couple pre-season series. It'd be nice if he could admit being wrong, and that would indicate an ability to learn from mistakes.

And do I remember correctly that Mallet was 3rd string in NE?

I've posted many times that imo the key to successful franchise building is scouting and talent evaluation. If Lombardi doesn't have the gift, here's hoping he'll get out of the way and trust his best scouts.
Reduced to hope.

Hope is not a plan.

I may just pull a T-Dog and divest until after this re-boot fails.
It's been 4 minutes and not one post begging me to stay.

let's get on the ball there, people.

SD:

what are you carping about Dabessst been had room in his study since he cleaned out his Browns gear half a decade ago .

You can find sympathy there , if you don't want to leaf thru Websters and find it between shyte and Syphillus .

Sympathy is my middle name  call me anytime.

pirate

SoulDawg

That was david White and not david best, wasn't it?

I still have his Chris palmer coaching cap he gave me when he gave all his stuff away. Had to de-louse it tho.
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