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Re: Haslam returns to Pilot the Truck Stops

Posted: 2/14/2013 1:50 PM

Re: Haslam returns to Pilot the Truck Stops 


Before anything else, kudos to Nas for this:

I'm just laughing at the irony. Trey is not substantially different in his MO than Randy despite the fan nosh hosannas thrown his way. He is different in that he's an attention whore and his organization is wont to fabricate at worst, spin at best.

Short and sweet and rolls up a whole lotta posts over the past six months into an attractive gift box. 

Hey, at least it made up for the attempt at Dave Barry.

OTTER:

The fans who embrace one medium or another are not exactly representative of all fans.  Sports Talk radio, for example, is a medium for people who are literally the most vocal about their teams.  But the majority of fans never call a sports talk radio show and likely the majority don't even listen regularly enough to be influenced by sports talk.  But if you ask someone who hosts one of those shows they'll insist that it would be best for the owner to listen to their show because that will give them a view into the fans. 

AA:

Oh, their insistence would be half-hearted.  Seriously, gauge the depth of discussion on talk radio versus OBR.  Compare posts in OBR versus nearly any comparable site for other teams.  Not much of a comparison.  It's easy to toss off the junk and find some good information.

But as said, the owner can get one page briefs on feedback from a number of sources.  Over time, both Haslam and the person compiling the briefs will utilize intelligence from one source more, another less.  But it's good to know the general tenor out there.  It's why the king donned the cassock in order to mingle amongst the minions.  It's why Jimmy and other CEO's like to go slumming and spot check the outlets.  They even made a decent BBC series out of it, spun off into an American series.

It doesn't have to be motivated by any mistrust of Banner.  But if Haslam continues to see disconnects between his fo and the customers, it will at the very least prompt more interest.   And it isn't a matter of deciding that source A is worthwhile and source B isn't.
An owner wants as much intell as he can get, but not presented with a fire hose.
It can be filtered, but from someone who has no vested interest.

Just beware of the General Manager who comes in Monday morning with an idea that was put into his noggin by an associate at Friday's cocktail party.  When it comes to getting a pulse, that's just the blind leading the blind.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 3:26 PM

Re: Haslam returns to Pilot the Truck Stops 



Aardvark wrote:
Hey, at least it made up for the attempt at Dave Barry.


Why, I otta..... taquiters is always funny don't care who y'are. ;-)
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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:49 PM

Re: Haslam returns to Pilot the Truck Stops 


NAS:

Why, I otta..... taquiters is always funny don't care who y'are. ;-)

AA:

No question, and it must be frustrating to be the head of the sixth largest private firm in the country, but one whose wealth is based upon an inventory of some of the crappiest products purveyed in American commerce, stuff that is a punchline in many a repertoire. 

In another year,  we may see a study emerge pinning this guy as personally responsible for an estimated 18-20% of obesity in all white males 25-64. 

And as I said to my wife at our first visit to a Flying J for breakfast on the Indianapolis beltway some 20 years ago, "somehow I'm thinking The Gear Jammer Breakfast' is one to avoid."  

It's almost too easy a target:  airline food, child beauty pageants, big tittie silhouette mudflaps.

But Jimmy Slim Jim arrived financially, and he needed something to reflect his status. 

Especially since the monster truck game was done full up.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:40 AM

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"In another year,  we may see a study emerge pinning this guy as personally responsible for an estimated 18-20% of obesity in all white males 25-64."

-- You never know what a "study" can be arranged to say, but I've always thought people were "personally responsible" for their own eating habits ultimately. 

A new owner can carry lots of good or bad assumptions in people's minds. And if people can be influenced by the name "The Gear Jammer Breakfast" in a restaurant next to a freeway- either negatively or positively- then there's no telling how far a person might go with Haslam support or Haslam hate.

Like with Lerner, I tend to welcome Haslam's day to day departure from the function of the team. At least he's not hiring Romeo Crennel at this point. While Banner/Lombardi don't thrill me initially, I will wait and see what they end up doing.

Just taking a outside perception of Haslam's persona and his background, I'd say he's clearly different than Randy in basic ways. And based on Randy's record, I don't yet see a downside in that as far as the Browns are concerned. To me at least, that's what is important. 
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Posted: 2/23/2013 2:53 PM

gary 



Aardvark wrote: Before anything else, kudos to Nas for this:

I'm just laughing at the irony. Trey is not substantially different in his MO than Randy despite the fan nosh hosannas thrown his way. He is different in that he's an attention whore and his organization is wont to fabricate at worst, spin at best.

Short and sweet and rolls up a whole lotta posts over the past six months into an attractive gift box. 

Hey, at least it made up for the attempt at Dave Barry.

OTTER:

The fans who embrace one medium or another are not exactly representative of all fans.  Sports Talk radio, for example, is a medium for people who are literally the most vocal about their teams.  But the majority of fans never call a sports talk radio show and likely the majority don't even listen regularly enough to be influenced by sports talk.  But if you ask someone who hosts one of those shows they'll insist that it would be best for the owner to listen to their show because that will give them a view into the fans. 

AA:

Oh, their insistence would be half-hearted.  Seriously, gauge the depth of discussion on talk radio versus OBR.  Compare posts in OBR versus nearly any comparable site for other teams.  Not much of a comparison.  It's easy to toss off the junk and find some good information.

But as said, the owner can get one page briefs on feedback from a number of sources.  Over time, both Haslam and the person compiling the briefs will utilize intelligence from one source more, another less.  But it's good to know the general tenor out there.  It's why the king donned the cassock in order to mingle amongst the minions.  It's why Jimmy and other CEO's like to go slumming and spot check the outlets.  They even made a decent BBC series out of it, spun off into an American series.

It doesn't have to be motivated by any mistrust of Banner.  But if Haslam continues to see disconnects between his fo and the customers, it will at the very least prompt more interest.   And it isn't a matter of deciding that source A is worthwhile and source B isn't.
An owner wants as much intell as he can get, but not presented with a fire hose.
It can be filtered, but from someone who has no vested interest.

Just beware of the General Manager who comes in Monday morning with an idea that was put into his noggin by an associate at Friday's cocktail party.  When it comes to getting a pulse, that's just the blind leading the blind.

A dave barry reference? wow. I don't see how Nas was trying to be like him though.


gary wrote:

I think you missed the point. What you conclude depends on the information you have. If the information you have is managed, its unlikely your conclusions will be anything but what was intended to be concluded.

And, the immediate effect is to neuter Bernie. He's been effectively walled off from any real influence. They may trot him out when they think it suits them, if Bernie is willing, but he's just window dressing to these guys. 

Bernie has only one in now that I can see, and that's by building a strong bond with Chud and Turner.

Proof? Interesting nugget.

I don't think Haslam will care about the fansites, even the OBR. Even though Lane is good is he influential? The OBR is the best site but it is a niche site and not cleveland.com. It is better than DawgTalkers. The fans are the unwashed masses here.

I think it's Banner's team, straight up. Not much more to analyze, and if Banner/Lombardi overrule Chud/Norv, we are screwed.

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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:36 PM

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if Banner/Lombardi overrule Chud/Norv, we are screwed.

H
Why?  What proof other than fan hate that's mostly snowballed?  Banner's background isn't close to being as shaky as Collins was.  We don't know anything about how good or bad Lombardi is yet when having control over player acquisition. 

As far as Haslam being like Randy Jams?  That's a joke too.  Haslam is far more committed and interested in the team personaly that Randy EVER was.  I don't doubt for a minute that Randy gave it a try, but he wasn't nearly as interested, experienced or motivated as Haslam.

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