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Re: FAcy and Draft

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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:50 AM

Re: FAcy and Draft 


Gameface64 wrote:
Okay, and how many Offensive Co-ordinators did Smith have so far in his career. I believe that it's 6 in 7 years or something like that."


So what. His first year with Harbaugh's OC was better then any other year he had.

Gameface64 wrote:
And yes, let's compare Smith to Flacco. The last two years there's been tons of opinion posted about Flacco that mirrors your low opinion of Smith, which is that he was over-rated and not good enough to win a SB."


Fair enough. But that has more to do with expectations.
Ravens have been a very good team since Flacco arrived as a rookie.

Gameface64 wrote:
Look, I'm not even making an argument that Smith is a sure thing. Just that to dismiss him out of hand is to deny both eye test and W-L stats."


Your eye test and W-L stats are denying the 6 years before Harbaugh.
Even while having his two best seasons under him, his coach chose to try and replace him each season.

Our rookie QB has already thrown for more yards in a season then Smith ever has in his 8 seasons.
And Weeden came within 4TDs of the most passing TDs Smith's ever thrown for a season in his career.

gomjabber wrote:
"Anyway back to Smith, I never knew he existed until is name came up a while back"
"Sometimes you gotta use your eyeballs."


Good advice.
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Last edited 2/14/2013 1:25 PM by JH360

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Posted: 2/14/2013 2:06 PM

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"Good advice."

-- Well, posters are welcome to use their eyeballs or any other body part to analyze Smith or any other player.

Really good advice would be to watch what the Browns do as they are led by a new regime and are at least partially advised by an OC who has worked with Smith in a real football situation and is so informed.

Of course, their view of Weeden and what they would need to give up to get Smith also plays a role in their decisions. Just please don't let any concern over Weeden's delicate nature be a factor. If he or any other players are real sensitive, maybe they should pursue other interests.

So, if someone just wants to show the forum how smart they are, the good advice- as you say- would be to "use your eyeballs" and fire away. 

If you want to see what the team actually does, stand by. 

BTW- The price for Smith might be too high. There are other teams who could compete and drive the price higher and there is a consideration in SF that the depth at QB that Smith brings isn't a bad thing. So that would drive up any price for him. On the other hand, if SF keeps him, they will have to pay him money in April. Supply and demand always effects prices. Money- not a player's feelings- is a more substantive factor.

Further BTW- Apparently if the 49ers decided to keep Smith this year, they would get a low 3rd round pick as compensation if he goes FA in 2014 and gets signed by a team. Worst case if they keep him and pay his salary: they have QB depth and end up with a 3rd rounder down the road. So their is support for a belief that a 3rd round pick would be the lowest point they would negotiate from. Begin your auction at that price and the best offer wins!

2013 may well be a Weeden Year for the Browns no matter what.

Last edited 2/14/2013 3:17 PM by HeadHole

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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:25 PM

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JH360 wrote:

Your eye test and W-L stats are denying the 6 years before Harbaugh.
Even while having his two best seasons under him, his coach chose to try and replace him each season.


I don't believe Harbaugh tried to replace Smith until Kaepernick was ripe. And Kaepernick is an anomaly. If we have a Kaerpernick, let me know. So it's irrelevant that Smith was replaced by CK, because we're talking about Smith vs. Weeden.

And one more time, if Smith was so bad, why was there any controversy around Kaepernick replacing him?
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:36 PM

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HeadHole wrote: "Good advice."

-- Well, posters are welcome to use their eyeballs or any other body part to analyze Smith or any other player.

Really good advice would be to watch what the Browns do as they are led by a new regime and are at least partially advised by an OC who has worked with Smith in a real football situation and is so informed.

Of course, their view of Weeden and what they would need to give up to get Smith also plays a role in their decisions. Just please don't let any concern over Weeden's delicate nature be a factor. If he or any other players are real sensitive, maybe they should pursue other interests.

So, if someone just wants to show the forum how smart they are, the good advice- as you say- would be to "use your eyeballs" and fire away. 

If you want to see what the team actually does, stand by. 

BTW- The price for Smith might be too high. There are other teams who could compete and drive the price higher and there is a consideration in SF that the depth at QB that Smith brings isn't a bad thing. So that would drive up any price for him. On the other hand, if SF keeps him, they will have to pay him money in April. Supply and demand always effects prices. Money- not a player's feelings- is a more substantive factor.

Further BTW- Apparently if the 49ers decided to keep Smith this year, they would get a low 3rd round pick as compensation if he goes FA in 2014 and gets signed by a team. Worst case if they keep him and pay his salary: they have QB depth and end up with a 3rd rounder down the road. So their is support for a belief that a 3rd round pick would be the lowest point they would negotiate from. Begin your auction at that price and the best offer wins!

2013 may well be a Weeden Year for the Browns no matter what.
Points taken. The price for Smith needs to be right, and it's probably unlikely that it will be. But there's posters here that are dead set against even looking into the possiblity. I find that POV hard to understand. The man is not without accomplishments. Granted he's not Kaepernick, but right now who is? I can't think of a young QB that I'd rather have, although Luck may eventually prove to be even better. And knowing that Kapernick was not considered the top QB in his draft class shows that great QBs can come from nowhere.

All I'm advocating is looking hard for that elusive star, and not standing pat and restricting our options to Weeden. We've got a bankroll, we can gamble this year and I think we should. Weeden may blossom, but based on what we've seen, its just as likely that he may wilt.
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Last edited 2/14/2013 10:37 PM by Gameface64

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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:48 PM

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Gameface64 wrote:
I don't believe Harbaugh tried to replace Smith until Kaepernick was ripe. And Kaepernick is an anomaly. If we have a Kaerpernick, let me know. So it's irrelevant that Smith was replaced by CK, because we're talking about Smith vs. Weeden.

And one more time, if Smith was so bad, why was there any controversy around Kaepernick replacing him?
Harbaugh tried to replace Smith with a questionably healthy Peyton Manning before the season as well, don't forget.
It's not irrelevant that the coach that helped him play better then he ever had, still actively tried to replace him-and eventually did.
It should tell you something about his talent level relative to other good QBs.

The controversy was because of how it was done. Is that so hard to see?
Their winning games, Smith's managing it up, and he stayed with a completely unproven young guy.

Gameface64 wrote:
Granted he's not Kaepernick, but right now who is? I can't think of a young QB that I'd rather have, although Luck may eventually prove to be even better. And knowing that Kapernick was not considered the top QB in his draft class shows that great QBs can come from nowhere.
^Here's the problem. When did Kaepernick become the best QB in the league? 
Kap is a good young QB-that's all.
Smith is a so-so vet. We need to be looking for a good young QB.
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Last edited 2/14/2013 11:50 PM by JH360

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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:36 PM

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JH360 wrote:
Gameface64 wrote:
I don't believe Harbaugh tried to replace Smith until Kaepernick was ripe. And Kaepernick is an anomaly. If we have a Kaerpernick, let me know. So it's irrelevant that Smith was replaced by CK, because we're talking about Smith vs. Weeden.

And one more time, if Smith was so bad, why was there any controversy around Kaepernick replacing him?
Harbaugh tried to replace Smith with a questionably healthy Peyton Manning before the season as well, don't forget.
It's not irrelevant that the coach that helped him play better then he ever had, still actively tried to replace him-and eventually did.
It should tell you something about his talent level relative to other good QBs.

The controversy was because of how it was done. Is that so hard to see?
Their winning games, Smith's managing it up, and he stayed with a completely unproven young guy.

Gameface64 wrote:
Granted he's not Kaepernick, but right now who is? I can't think of a young QB that I'd rather have, although Luck may eventually prove to be even better. And knowing that Kapernick was not considered the top QB in his draft class shows that great QBs can come from nowhere.
^Here's the problem. When did Kaepernick become the best QB in the league? 
Kap is a good young QB-that's all.
Smith is a so-so vet. We need to be looking for a good young QB.
I see, you're hard to please. When Kaepernicks grow on trees, we'll just pluck one.
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