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Just like he said....big guys that run... little guys that hit

  • vdubble
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:16 PM

Just like he said....big guys that run... little guys that hit 


Dropping of Frostee Rucker tells us Horton/FO are moving quickly to get the players that he wants to mold his front.  Big guys have to run so the prototypical 4-3 end is out.  Frostee was not beefy enough to take up two blockers and not fast/flexible enough to alternately get after the QB or drop into coverage.  The "edge-setting, run-stopping" end is no longer a fit.  I took a gander at the AZ front and look at the size of those boys.  All DL types are over 290.

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/depth-chart.html

He kept seven "bigs" on his DL last season including those at the DE position.  We probably have 3 who fit the job description currently of quick and big.  That would be Taylor, Rubin, and Winn.  If they drop a few lbs, they could be even more ideal.  He also employed some simply bigs.  These would be jobs for Hughes and Kitchen.  So we could be looking at a starting front of Taylor and Rubin at DE and Hughes in the middle.  Winn could be rotational at DE and Kitchen at NT.  So in this scheme we only really need one more rotational DT.  A guy like Sanford/Nick Eason, or a draft pick.  At these positions, the cupboard was pretty stocked and must make Horton hear a Holla.

The question then becomes the LB-type positions.  If Gocong is healthy, one OLB is solved.  If Sheard can play OLB the other is solved.  Interesting to see if Parker may fit as a situation pass rusher.  We probably need to bring in the best two of these guys we can find via FA or draft.  English and Stephens have a long row to hoe.  What he wants is Quentin Groves types. Ohh... just so happens he is available biggrin.  Think he wants to play for his old coach?  We are good at ILB.  D'Qwell is just fine and JMJ, Robertson and Fort can all play a bit.  If a second tackling stud falls into our laps though, we shouldn't hesitate. 

Last but not least, as in the good book the last shall come first.  With our first choice in this draft, we will be getting the best and most physical cover CB we can get our paws on.  Write it down.  If you want to gamble with multiple fronts, you better be able to cover.  If we do something crazy like go for OLB/DE with the first pick instead of get a vet in FA, then we get the best CB available in round 3.  Also I am Honey Badger fan.  Let whomever of us who didn't smoke some weed in their day cast the first stone.  Mathieu in Round 4!!!

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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:05 PM

Re: Just like he said....fast guys that run... little guys that 


Lombardi values pass rushers a lot more than corners so I think your very mistaken that we are going corner at 6.

We will use free agency to sign Toler or Lewis, both of whom have a history with Horton.

And Honeybadger didn't smoke weed. That wouldn't be an issue.

He's addicted to HEROIN.

I wouldn't draft him in any round.

MAYBE....I'd take him as an UDFA but it would depend on him agreeing to all my rehab and counciling demands.

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Dropping of Frostee Rucker tells us Horton/FO are moving quickly to get the players that he wants to mold his front.  Big guys have to run so the prototypical 4-3 end is out.  Frostee was not beefy enough to take up two blockers and not fast/flexible enough to alternately get after the QB or drop into coverage.  The "edge-setting, run-stopping" end is no longer a fit.  I took a gander at the AZ front and look at the size of those boys.  All DL types are over 290.

www.azcardinals.com/team/depth-chart.html

He kept seven "bigs" on his DL last season including those at the DE position.  We probably have 3 who fit the job description currently of quick and big.  That would be Taylor, Rubin, and Winn.  If they drop a few lbs, they could be even more ideal.  He also employed some simply bigs.  These would be jobs for Hughes and Kitchen.  So we could be looking at a starting front of Taylor and Rubin at DE and Hughes in the middle.  Winn could be rotational at DE and Kitchen at NT.  So in this scheme we only really need one more rotational DT.  A guy like Sanford/Nick Eason, or a draft pick.  At these positions, the cupboard was pretty stocked and must make Horton hear a Holla.

The question then becomes the LB-type positions.  If Gocong is healthy, one OLB is solved.  If Sheard can play OLB the other is solved.  Interesting to see if Parker may fit as a situation pass rusher.  We probably need to bring in the best two of these guys we can find via FA or draft.  English and Stephens have a long row to hoe.  What he wants is Quentin Groves types. Ohh... just so happens he is available biggrin.  Think he wants to play for his old coach?  We are good at ILB.  D'Qwell is just fine and JMJ, Robertson and Fort can all play a bit.  If a second tackling stud falls into our laps though, we shouldn't hesitate. 

Last but not least, as in the good book the last shall come first.  With our first choice in this draft, we will be getting the best and most physical cover CB we can get our paws on.  Write it down.  If you want to gamble with multiple fronts, you better be able to cover.  If we do something crazy like go for OLB/DE with the first pick instead of get a vet in FA, then we get the best CB available in round 3.  Also I am Honey Badger fan.  Let whomever of us who didn't smoke some weed in their day cast the first stone.  Mathieu in Round 4!!!

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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:28 PM

Re: Just like he said....fast guys that run... little guys that 


You will have to show me the quote.  I have only seen where the Honey Badger was busted for synthethic and non-synthetic weed.  I see quotes alluding to Peter King saying he was on heroin but nothing from a respectable media outlet.

Dude can play.  If we want priests we should go elsewhere.  I want talent that is committed to winning.  I am not advocating problem children but wouldn't you like to have a few of these guys on your team. http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/s...acter-concerns/

News flash.  Young people do stooopid crap.  I did and if you had any fun, you did. 

James Harrison is not a perfect citizen, neither was Ray Ray until lately, neither was Dick Butkus, neither was Jack Lambert, neither was Rodney Harrison, neither is Patrick Willis.  A few don't give a **** enforcers on your defense are good to have around.  Even Don and Mike Corleone knew the value of a Luca Brasi and Al Neri.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:33 PM

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"Even Don and Mike Corleone knew the value of a Luca Brasi and Al Neri."

But they were a criminal enterprise. Capiche?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:15 PM

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You can haz "Honey Badger" if you want media attention.  In the NFL (as the more high profile college teams did) they'll just throw over his 5'7" frame to taller receivers.  And the receivers will surely be taller even than they were against the best college teams.  If he measures even a full 5'11" at the combine I will stand corrected.  But I doubt it. 

The guy's biggest problem isn't that he's a head case (although he is apparently that); it's that he's a shrimp.

1/6/04 Rest in peace "Daddy Wags." May perpetual light shine upon you.

"It's alright to have a hitch in your swing, but when you have a flaw in your hitch, you're in trouble." - Leon Wagner

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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:15 AM

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daddywags wrote: You can haz "Honey Badger" if you want media attention.  In the NFL (as the more high profile college teams did) they'll just throw over his 5'7" frame to taller receivers.  And the receivers will surely be taller even than they were against the best college teams.  If he measures even a full 5'11" at the combine I will stand corrected.  But I doubt it. 

The guy's biggest problem isn't that he's a head case (although he is apparently that); it's that he's a shrimp.
Agreed.  We already have a small CB in Haden and need someone bigger on the other side.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:48 AM

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But what about the slot.  In today's NFL can we have a good enough player to cover the 3rd WR?  Skrine did this but his ball skills aren't all that.  Just thinking he fits the bill of a little guy that can hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I

You guys probably haven't seen this kid play live but there is a reason why he was a Heisman candidate as a defensive player.  He smoked blunts true but by all accounts he is a good teammate, quiet type and a playmaker.  We don't have any game changers on our defense.  Some solid guys but not the type that play defense offensively.  Polomalu, Reed, Bailey types at DB.  Rare breed.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 1:08 PM

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Skrine showed lots of potential for the slot guy and now he's got some experience. Seems a bad gamble to dump him for an investment in HB.
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