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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:28 AM

Re: Another Trey reset 



Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."

My god Naz, what did you want him to say?  We have to tweak both sides of the ball with personnel and adjust for new schemes.  While we have 'some' talent we also have glaring long term holes that need to be filled.  We may have the biggest hole at the most important position (QB) that might not be filled for a while.  So, do you think going into the season you want to go on record with every FA & their agents reading you will spend big?  Tell them you are obligated to appease the fans by saying you will spend whatever is needed to win?  How to you think that would effect negotiations?   Do you think a guy who overpaid for a franchise wants to go on record to build more debt just to appease restless fans that were screwed by the prior owner?

Also, why in the world would he make a promise he might not be able to bring about?  Kelly didn’t leave us.  He left both us and the Eagles regardless of how hard he tried.  He can try but there has to be limitations regardless if morons like Daniel Snyder overspend to get what we want.  The guy has to stay true to the mantra of building through the draft and then see what he can get when it comes available.  Tell me what successful organization isn’t building through the draft and selectively choosing FA?  Not the exception but the rule? 

This has become the standard answer for any new GM or president when taking on a new team as well.  Lets see what his interpretation of it is before judging it.  Just because Randy sucked at everything in his attempt, doesn’t mean Haslam owes impatient fans knee jerk reactions to put on the pretense he cares.  He has to build the team like he feels is right.  Just like Randy and Holmgren LIED about their time frame, Haslam & CO have theirs too. 

Lets at least see what happens before judging it.  Also, keep in mind the other needs and if they warrant signing overpriced FA at this time.  I don’t believe for one minute he isn’t expecting to win as fast as the circumstances allows him to. 

He paid enough to be in this for the long haul.  He was trained by the Steelers, listened to Kraft, how are they when it comes to spending in a big way in FA?  Banner also saw firsthand what can happen in Philly when you go hog wild in FA.  With ALL OF THEIR FA talent how did they do this season?  A smart man keeps expectations low enough to exceed them not raising them to where they can’t be met.  This really is much to do over nothing at this point.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:00 AM

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hamster wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."

My god Naz, what did you want him to say? 

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?

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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:24 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?

Oh F"""k yeah Nas. I been saying this since day 1 of Holmgren. I'm so on board that I'm actually off board and pushing the wagon from behind. Patience is now officially a dirty word.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 7:18 AM

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Gameface64 wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?

Oh F"""k yeah Nas. I been saying this since day 1 of Holmgren. I'm so on board that I'm actually off board and pushing the wagon from behind. Patience is now officially a dirty word.
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Not that , I'm above lighting a torch or tossing gas on a flame gents , butt lets make sure we got the right house , before we turn it into embers.

I would think that the last thing you would want to do if your smart and savvy is to fan the flames of expectations of a rabid fan base with unreasonable expectations , nor sound the hunting horns and scare off all the game before you go tromping thru the woods to add meat on the table .

Our coffers are loaded , we can poach both the Zona pigeons and the flying rats for defensive players which fit our scheme , and we can fill known holes on offense prior to the draft , while still being in position to augment even modest free agent pickups with high round draft picks to a returning class of expereinced youth tested in the NFL fare.

Now is the time to point the invasion toward the Pot of Calais , while hiding that Normandy is our landing
spot .

Anybody who reveals their real intent this time of year should be slapped ,likewise anybody going shopping in a buyers market advertising they'll pay sticker price is a damn fool .

Haslem didn't become a billionaire paying Rodeo Drive prices for landfill realestate and doubt he's gonna start now.

The Bear Bryant poor mouthing masks their intent , lessons expectations and creates reality in the negotiating room .

It ain't sexy but it is fiscally judicious policy you can sustain grow and develop and build on because your base is solid .


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Posted: 2/8/2013 8:23 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: 

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 



That ^^^^^^^....ten thousand freaking times that ^^^^^^^

"Patience my ass. I'm going out to kill something"

Sincerely,

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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:03 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?


Well that's what it would be like if another Jim was running the Browns.  But in the real world you can't be in an ultra-regulated, ultra-competitive market of 32 companies and just pull a magic trigger and 'win'. 

You are not patient and unfortunately for all of the whining and gnashing of teeth about 5 year plans the reality is that neither are most Browns fans.  How many 5 year plans have actually been given 5 years?  Instead they've become 2 or 3 year plans.

Haslem, when he first began talking as our team's owner, said that he understands that the most important thing is not the players or the coaching staff or even the GM.  It's the philosophy of the system as a whole that is important.  That's what he learned in his time as a part-owner in Shitsburgh.  Turnover is expected but turning the system inside out every 3 years is not. 

He's committing to the system.  That's what he has to do as an owner.  And while you may disagree with it the teams in the NFL Superbowl this past year didn't get there by making big FA splashes.  They got their by committing to a system and adding pieces and parts, one by one, where they could help.  They've changed their defense on occasion over the last few years moving from a 43 to a 34 and back to a 43.  They changed their head coach.  They changed their OC in the middle of the season.  But they never stopped building a team with a single 'Ravens' phiosophy.  That is a tribute to Ozzie, who's the architect of that system, more than anything.  

Anquin (sic) Boldin wasn't the biggest signing over the last few years for Baltimore but I'd argue he had the biggest impact of any FA on the field for the Ravens in the playoffs.  Meanwhile the Bills, who won the offseason last year, are rebuilding again with a new coach, a new system, and no real philosophy. 

So think about it a little bit Jim.  I'd like them to sign some guys that will help them get to where we all want them to go but they shouldn't be signing guys to win today.  They need guys who will be there to help them win in a couple years when they're ready.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:10 AM

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Being an owner is a bit like being President. 

You can talk promises and agenda and applying your unique stamp, but then you enter office, move to the center, and realize the changes swagger has to be tempered. 

Pretty soon, you at least start sounding similar to your predecessor.  We'll see if the walk matches the talk.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 12:14 PM

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0tter wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?


Well that's what it would be like if another Jim was running the Browns.  But in the real world you can't be in an ultra-regulated, ultra-competitive market of 32 companies and just pull a magic trigger and 'win'. 

You are not patient and unfortunately for all of the whining and gnashing of teeth about 5 year plans the reality is that neither are most Browns fans.  How many 5 year plans have actually been given 5 years?  Instead they've become 2 or 3 year plans.

Haslem, when he first began talking as our team's owner, said that he understands that the most important thing is not the players or the coaching staff or even the GM.  It's the philosophy of the system as a whole that is important.  That's what he learned in his time as a part-owner in Shitsburgh.  Turnover is expected but turning the system inside out every 3 years is not. 

He's committing to the system.  That's what he has to do as an owner.  And while you may disagree with it the teams in the NFL Superbowl this past year didn't get there by making big FA splashes.  They got their by committing to a system and adding pieces and parts, one by one, where they could help.  They've changed their defense on occasion over the last few years moving from a 43 to a 34 and back to a 43.  They changed their head coach.  They changed their OC in the middle of the season.  But they never stopped building a team with a single 'Ravens' phiosophy.  That is a tribute to Ozzie, who's the architect of that system, more than anything.  

Anquin (sic) Boldin wasn't the biggest signing over the last few years for Baltimore but I'd argue he had the biggest impact of any FA on the field for the Ravens in the playoffs.  Meanwhile the Bills, who won the offseason last year, are rebuilding again with a new coach, a new system, and no real philosophy. 

So think about it a little bit Jim.  I'd like them to sign some guys that will help them get to where we all want them to go but they shouldn't be signing guys to win today.  They need guys who will be there to help them win in a couple years when they're ready.
No. He says he's committing to a set of systems. We don't know that he has the ability to actually do it. If the team has a disappointing season after some shaky personnel moves the fans will be...somewhat upset...if something like that develops, we'll see if truck stop boy has the stamina to take something he's never had to take before. An openly dismissive local and national press.
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Good post Otter.
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hamster wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."

My god Naz, what did you want him to say?  We have to tweak both sides of the ball with personnel and adjust for new schemes.  While we have 'some' talent we also have glaring long term holes that need to be filled.  We may have the biggest hole at the most important position (QB) that might not be filled for a while.  So, do you think going into the season you want to go on record with every FA & their agents reading you will spend big?  Tell them you are obligated to appease the fans by saying you will spend whatever is needed to win?  How to you think that would effect negotiations?   Do you think a guy who overpaid for a franchise wants to go on record to build more debt just to appease restless fans that were screwed by the prior owner?

Also, why in the world would he make a promise he might not be able to bring about?  Kelly didn’t leave us.  He left both us and the Eagles regardless of how hard he tried.  He can try but there has to be limitations regardless if morons like Daniel Snyder overspend to get what we want.  The guy has to stay true to the mantra of building through the draft and then see what he can get when it comes available.  Tell me what successful organization isn’t building through the draft and selectively choosing FA?  Not the exception but the rule? 

This has become the standard answer for any new GM or president when taking on a new team as well.  Lets see what his interpretation of it is before judging it.  Just because Randy sucked at everything in his attempt, doesn’t mean Haslam owes impatient fans knee jerk reactions to put on the pretense he cares.  He has to build the team like he feels is right.  Just like Randy and Holmgren LIED about their time frame, Haslam & CO have theirs too. 

Lets at least see what happens before judging it.  Also, keep in mind the other needs and if they warrant signing overpriced FA at this time.  I don’t believe for one minute he isn’t expecting to win as fast as the circumstances allows him to. 

He paid enough to be in this for the long haul.  He was trained by the Steelers, listened to Kraft, how are they when it comes to spending in a big way in FA?  Banner also saw firsthand what can happen in Philly when you go hog wild in FA.  With ALL OF THEIR FA talent how did they do this season?  A smart man keeps expectations low enough to exceed them not raising them to where they can’t be met.  This really is much to do over nothing at this point.


Agree Hamster,  This is the time of year in which every team lies to themselves and everyone else. Much akin to what we are going to do in the draft this year is......
There is a lot of talk and the only gain is rumors aplenty. I doubt they know just what they are going to do.  Seems they are hunkered down evaluating the present team. Finishing that they then have to evaluate what is out there and discern what may be had.  Any dart board in the county is as reliable a selector when  it comes to...what are we doing at QB?

Frustrating time of the year. All we can do is give it time.    Then again, reading the tea leaves is a lot of fun and gives us something to do.
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0tter wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:

 

If Trey were all maximum-leader-movey-shakey and bold as when he cam ein on the white tanker trruck, he'd bust out somethin that goes a little something like this (hit it)

"The days of 5 year plans are over in Cleveland. Winning is what matters most, and winning this coming year is included in that statement. I don't know how many more games we can win next season or the seasons after that exactly. I make no grand promises of outcomes. What I do promise is an intense focus, extraordinary effort, and a sense of urgency that we will do everything possible to start winning now. Not after 3 drafts. Not after offensive and defensive systems are installed and coaches are comfortable. Now.  I have instructed Joe and his team to be as aggressive as possible in any and all phases available to them to build this team. I have dircted them to bring every avialable resource to bear to win now; and I have A LOT of resources to offer them. I expect them to follow my directives and I will hold them accountable based on wins and losses.  I look forward to seeing the outcomes and being as supportive as I possbly can in the way they determine is best to help them acomplish the one and only objective that matters in the NFL: winning football games.  

We are not the "same old" Cleveland Browns. I didn't pay one-billion dolllars for that and you shouldn't pay for tickets for that, either." 

Something like that, followed by action and accountability to lend credibility that statement would be a dandy start with me Hamm.

More I think on it, more I say after all this time and the need they felt to capriciously  re-boot F U < K "building through the draft" and "prudent in free agency". May as well just build in the damn excuses now. Why wait?


Well that's what it would be like if another Jim was running the Browns.  But in the real world you can't be in an ultra-regulated, ultra-competitive market of 32 companies and just pull a magic trigger and 'win'. 

You are not patient and unfortunately for all of the whining and gnashing of teeth about 5 year plans the reality is that neither are most Browns fans.  How many 5 year plans have actually been given 5 years?  Instead they've become 2 or 3 year plans.

Haslem, when he first began talking as our team's owner, said that he understands that the most important thing is not the players or the coaching staff or even the GM.  It's the philosophy of the system as a whole that is important.  That's what he learned in his time as a part-owner in Shitsburgh.  Turnover is expected but turning the system inside out every 3 years is not. 

He's committing to the system.  That's what he has to do as an owner.  And while you may disagree with it the teams in the NFL Superbowl this past year didn't get there by making big FA splashes.  They got their by committing to a system and adding pieces and parts, one by one, where they could help.  They've changed their defense on occasion over the last few years moving from a 43 to a 34 and back to a 43.  They changed their head coach.  They changed their OC in the middle of the season.  But they never stopped building a team with a single 'Ravens' phiosophy.  That is a tribute to Ozzie, who's the architect of that system, more than anything.  

Anquin (sic) Boldin wasn't the biggest signing over the last few years for Baltimore but I'd argue he had the biggest impact of any FA on the field for the Ravens in the playoffs.  Meanwhile the Bills, who won the offseason last year, are rebuilding again with a new coach, a new system, and no real philosophy. 

So think about it a little bit Jim.  I'd like them to sign some guys that will help them get to where we all want them to go but they shouldn't be signing guys to win today.  They need guys who will be there to help them win in a couple years when they're ready.

Not talking about what they do. That's not his job. His job is to hire the guys that do.

I'm talking about what he projects and how he articulates the franchise. That was the subject at hand.

He doesn't have to promise the next quan Bolden. That's not his job. But if you're gonna lead and you talk a big game when you close the deal, then lead. If not, be Randy.

Don't talk like Churchill and play like Chamberlain ( <- for SD) .

Right now, this whole line of script is more of the same.
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