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RE: Another Trey reset

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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:17 PM

RE: Another Trey reset 


Vark

As the defense is switching from a simple system to an anything goes hybrid, player smarts will be much more significant than last year. That's something the new staff is not going to know about till they work with the players. Within a certain range smarts and motivation trump size ideals. Looking at the young linebackers say, do they dump'm for bigger ones? I doubt it for next year. There will be turnover. Frostee was obvious.

As for the offense, the scheme was so bad last year I think they will want to look at the young guys in person before dumping them. Have you seen the stats about the rest of the league's percentages of pass plays from the shotgun (Weeden's strength)compared to the Browns? There was only one team that had the QB under center more. Shurmer was oblivious to the talents of his players. Watching the QB in his rookie season work in an offense so contrary to his skills does not lead to a good evaluation.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:35 AM

RE: Another Trey reset 


BUTZ:

As the defense is switching from a simple system to an anything goes hybrid, player smarts will be much more significant than last year. That's something the new staff is not going to know about till they work with the players.

AA:

Can't really buy that.

The league is not for the mentally weak of heart.  Too much turnover, change, learning new schemes and terminology.  Players are either physically suited to a new scheme, or only parts of it (and thus see pt diminished), or not at all.  Those who learn and adapt faster are more likely to have jobs or not see their names in transactions.  And coaches have the book on their heads as well as their hearts and abilities to run faster and jump higher in their PF Flyers.

Sure, the first year, or a portion of it, can look pretty ugly as everybody's learning on the job.  But that will happen regardless whether players stay or go.  Coaches aren't going to waste their time with those who they think are ill-suited to the new system.  They may not have the power to get everyone they want and jettison everyone they don't want... maybe not now, maybe not for a year or so.  But the handwriting will be on the wall for all concerned.

If anything, the coaches will have their preconceived notions, and a player will be welcome to prove them wrong.  But most veterans know what they can and can't do, and will opt for a better situation for themselves.  Only bubble players try to reshape their roundess into a square shape.

BUTZ:

Within a certain range smarts and motivation trump size ideals. Looking at the young linebackers say, do they dump'm for bigger ones?

AA:

As said a while back, the convenient thing about the Browns lbers is that, with the exception of DQ, they're marginal enough talent to be expendable with any scheme.

BUTZ:  

There will be turnover. Frostee was obvious.

AA:

They always are in hindsight.  But who else is obvious?

Others may represent a more substantial investment, so can't be tossed off as easily.

Two elephants in the room are Sheard and Taylor.  Decent players in a 4-3... whenever the defense goes with that, which won't be often.  Does their cost justify limited roles?

Or can Sheard really adapt as an olb? 

Can Taylor really play a 3-4 end?

If Rubin and DQ were better in a 4-3, what's their future now?

Hey, if Horton figures he can really utilize these guys, then God bless him.  And if he doesn't think they have much of a future in his type of defense, then we'll have to trust the suits in making transactions to bring in equal value.  Good luck with that.

But if it's October and we're hearing "square pegs in round holes" stories and coaches coming to some sort of realization, God help us every one.

BUTZ:

As for the offense, the scheme was so bad last year I think they will want to look at the young guys in person before dumping them. Have you seen the stats about the rest of the league's percentages of pass plays from the shotgun (Weeden's strength)compared to the Browns? There was only one team that had the QB under center more. Shurmer was oblivious to the talents of his players. Watching the QB in his rookie season work in an offense so contrary to his skills does not lead to a good evaluation.

AA:

Agree.  The offense seems almost a non-issue.  Talent is there, and it's in the ballpark of what Turner wants.  Now he gets to bring it out.  And I think that even if he's not sold on Weeden long term, he can at least improve his game enough to buy some time.

It's important to keep in mind, though, that since the hc and coordinators do not have the power of the purse or personnel, they'll have to be diplomatic and go along where they can.  But they've likely done a lot of their lobbying and serving notice as to their ideal lineup.  Yea, there's always a couple of players who can surprise them, and still others they thought were promising and could be in long range plans, but who end up disappointing. 

If the Browns end up signing 7+ in free agency, with 5+ on the defensive side, then brace yourself for some name players going in draft day trades.  If the Browns are relatively quiet in fa (though matching last year would be quite a feat), then the coaches think they have sufficient material with which to proceed.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:13 AM

RE: Another Trey reset 


Or can Sheard really adapt as an olb? 

Can Taylor really play a 3-4 end?

If Rubin and DQ were better in a 4-3, what's their future now?   

Good questions.

Horton has stated he sees Sheard playing olb and putting him in positions to take advantage of his skill set.

Taylor will not play DE, but play NT along with Hughes.

Rubin will move to DE and the coach feels he will be impactful there.  DQ stays to keep the balance on defense.

That's what we've heard so far.
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