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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:21 PM

Another Trey reset 


http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

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“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:47 PM

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And if he says they're gonna make big splashy FA moves, he's Jerruh Mk II.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Forget it, Jake, its Cleveland.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:59 PM

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DougInParma wrote: And if he says they're gonna make big splashy FA moves, he's Jerruh Mk II.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Forget it, Jake, its Cleveland.

Ahhh bullsnot DougEDoug.

He's another big bucked owner who is just doing what the FO tells him they want to do, which is EXCACTLY the same thing H&H did. This whole urgency trip is a bunch of crap. They'll have the same strategy as what H&H did. The difference will be execution. Trey don't make one bit a know what from Jammies.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 5:11 PM

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Dunno. This free agency approach could be the same as the patriots ... all about value .

And then, the eagles spent big for some free agents

Not sure the palava was any more than talk. Hope so. I am looking for more than send us your tired old and infirmed.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 5:21 PM

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redright wrote: Dunno. This free agency approach could be the same as the patriots ... all about value .

How is that ANY different from Frostee and Juqua?

The point is that there were all these expectations and messianic hosannah's heaped upon Trey when he rode in on his fine arab charger. It's all BS. They are gonna pursue the same  strategy H&H did.

Doesn't mean they won't do it better, but all the hype is a bunch of dung.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:43 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
redright wrote: Dunno. This free agency approach could be the same as the patriots ... all about value .

How is that ANY different from Frostee and Juqua?

The point is that there were all these expectations and messianic hosannah's heaped upon Trey when he rode in on his fine arab charger. It's all BS. They are gonna pursue the same  strategy H&H did.

Doesn't mean they won't do it better, but all the hype is a bunch of dung.
When i get off the mobile, i may better answer the difference.  Pats way, B B roster is all  value... Cap is critical.  Pay the top guys, brady Wilfork.  Let moss walk. Moss was a#4 rd draft choice cost.  Welker a 2nd.  Both paid little  Randy released mid season..high cost coming.  Welker, short money and now pay day coming.  Pats , B Bs system says he is gone.  Problem , he is 35 yr old  Brady,s security blanket. Wrecks the system to pay Welker his worth. That money should go to improving the quality of second level players

G Bay had a couple of high priced players get hurt Next man up level was poor.  Pats expect to have to go to the next man up level every season. It is this level that is better than most teams.  The idea is to go into Free agency to get capable performers.  Most teams go into  F A for studs/ difference makers.  Sometimes the Pats hit a home run, Welker.  Most times they get a base hit while developing their picks.

If Welker insists on his payday and leaves, I hope we take a pass.  His money doesnt fit and we should be looking to get the most out of Gordon and Little. Develop the picks  Supplement the Wrs in free agency. Maybe a cheaper Danny Amendola.

The idea is to use F A to  an immediate need for short money while you develop a player.  We have gone into F A and paid for long term starters.  Those starters many times couldnt start for the team they left.  If they were seen as stopgap and paid as such, no problem.  Signing them as high level starters and paying as such, big problem.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 9:04 PM

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While I agree with the general sentiment, I'm trying to figure out why any owner in any sport in his right mind would say something like: "We're going to spend like drunken sailors in free agency.  Free agents - come and get us baby!".

My advice, as always: Watch what they do, not what they say.

1/6/04 Rest in peace "Daddy Wags." May perpetual light shine upon you.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 11:30 PM

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This is my thought: when the right player comes free, you need to take a shot at them if you want to get better. How much did Boldin (a premier, "name" FA when he hit the market) and Jacoby Jones (a B list FA) mean to the Ravens this year? Of course a team needs to be successful in drafting talent, but if that is used as an excuse and a restrictor plate on the engine of rebuilding, then it's not good strategy. If an Anquan Boldin or his equivalent (offense or defense) is available, and that player fits your blueprint, you should make a run. You're not going to win them all, or even that many, but you don't get anyone sitting on your hands. And you don't build a championship team playing the game with one hand tied behind your back.

We suck. We don't have cap issues. What the hell are we afraid of?
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Posted: 2/5/2013 2:07 AM

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I dont get how you can not be active in FA and spend 80% of your cap.. Right now we have close to 50 million we need to spend... How many mid level and lower level FA do you have to sign to fill that up?

So lets say we extend some people we still have to extend a LOT of people.. 

I don't get what they are saying.. make no damn sense and if they want to hit the cap its even more difficult..

I say grab 

Goldson - FS
Andy Levitre - G
Fred Davis - TE (prove it deal)
S. Phillips - OLB ( i am betting he is the vet they bring in to teach the defense)
Brent Grimes - DB ( prove it deal)

These are value signings.. Davis if he comes back can be a all pro TE. Brent Grimes was a monster DB before the achilles Injury just need to see if he comes back. Levitre is a great upgrade at the Guard Position and Goldson is the big splash FA who just loves to hit and with Grimes and Haden and Ward make it one of the bests Secondaries on paper going into 2013. That is my wish list in FA leaving me with a lot of flexibility when it comes to the draft..

I know its a pipe dream but if i can get 2 people off that list then this team will be much better
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Posted: 2/5/2013 4:53 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
The primary difference between Randy and Jimmy to this point, is Haslam is telling us what the team FA philosophy will be and Randy was typically pretty silent about it. 

We have no evidence that Randy ever imposed any kind of spending philosophy on the FO, while here we have Haslam giving us a virtual paper trail. It is possible Haslam is all gung ho about FA, but has been talked off the diving board by Banner. 

We also know Haslam just spent at least three months lying to the fans, so he could be lying again. We'll have to wait and see. 

Finally, a "value" pickup does not preclude a high dollar FA.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:19 AM

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daddywags wrote: While I agree with the general sentiment, I'm trying to figure out why any owner in any sport in his right mind would say something like: "We're going to spend like drunken sailors in free agency.  Free agents - come and get us baby!".

My advice, as always: Watch what they do, not what they say.

This is the 21st Century. No one says what they're going to do like that. They use code words. So when Trey says things like 'sense of urgency" and "winning is the priority" that means two things. He means what he says or he's full of crap when he comes back foot disengaged from throttle.

And "building theorugh the draft" and "sense of urgency" are at complete and polar odds.

Conclusion?

FOS.

The players have changed butt the FO strategy remains the same. Like I wrote, the only dif will be in the execution.

On a scale of 1 - 10 I thought H&H ended up at about a 6 given progress as I saw the talent level rising.

The question is whether Lombardi and baner are gonna top that. I admit right now my opinion of Lombardi is about Kelvin 0 on that scale.

But like RR says, we shall see.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:42 AM

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Say they have 48 million to spend.  Some say the new players contract requires them to spend 80% or 90%.

The new rookie cap rules means that their draft is going to be below $5 million. 

Say they resign some of their free agents and do one, two or three extensions. Does that make another $15 million.

48 million at 80% = $38.4 million subtract $20, means they have to spend $18.4 million.

Now, I really doubt that they are going to spend that much money on fair free agents.

I doubt that they make a $100 million contract, but, I could see a $40 milllion or $50 million five year contract for the right player.

The idea of a Kruger, OLB gets a 5 year contract at 7 to 8 million a year and so much cash guranteed.  They might place extra signing bonus to eat part of the hit in the first year to take care of the large number.

Reading about Alex Mack and extended his contract is open for discussion.  Joe Haden extension could be considered.

They will be signing two to three very good players.  There are going to be many free agents in the market.  Too many good teams are over the cap or close to the cap.

After the major signing of the top of the market with premium dollars, the next level and those players who rudely got awakened that their agents lied to them.  They were not the premium players they were led to believe.

Once the crazy money is out of the market, the Browns can make some very good signings.

If the rules say 90% it is $43.2, which is an additional $4.8 million that they are required to spend.

Grossi commented on Flacco and how he got negative reviews his rookie year and Ozzie knew it would take time to develop.  He looks like he has developed very good in his fifth year.  He commented on not giving up on Brandon Weeden too soon.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:44 AM

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"We're never gonna get by, unless, we are a little crazy."

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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:10 AM

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Gary Reents wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
The primary difference between Randy and Jimmy to this point, is Haslam is telling us what the team FA philosophy will be and Randy was typically pretty silent about it. 

We have no evidence that Randy ever imposed any kind of spending philosophy on the FO, while here we have Haslam giving us a virtual paper trail. It is possible Haslam is all gung ho about FA, but has been talked off the diving board by Banner. 

We also know Haslam just spent at least three months lying to the fans, so he could be lying again. We'll have to wait and see. 

Finally, a "value" pickup does not preclude a high dollar FA.
Randy's dictate team  spending must be revenue neutral, means what?

Any evidence Randy said to spend whatever is necessary to bring a winner? Mom and sis and I want the fans to have a winner.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:32 AM

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redright wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
The primary difference between Randy and Jimmy to this point, is Haslam is telling us what the team FA philosophy will be and Randy was typically pretty silent about it. 

We have no evidence that Randy ever imposed any kind of spending philosophy on the FO, while here we have Haslam giving us a virtual paper trail. It is possible Haslam is all gung ho about FA, but has been talked off the diving board by Banner. 

We also know Haslam just spent at least three months lying to the fans, so he could be lying again. We'll have to wait and see. 

Finally, a "value" pickup does not preclude a high dollar FA.
Randy's dictate team  spending must be revenue neutral, means what?

Any evidence Randy said to spend whatever is necessary to bring a winner? Mom and sis and I want the fans to have a winner.
Ur missing the point based on fighting last year's war.


F Randy. F it all.

The salient point is that Trey says he's going to aquiesce to a FO that is "building through the draft". We ALL know what that means. If you need me to break it down for you, which I doubt, I will. Drop the weirgeld (sp?) with the android and RECOGNIZE!

SSDD. 

Another 5 year plan with a bright shiney BS vaneer. At least jammies didn't have no veneer.

Whether you suck with apathy than suck while being lied to you still suck through a rebuild.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 11:35 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:
redright wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
The primary difference between Randy and Jimmy to this point, is Haslam is telling us what the team FA philosophy will be and Randy was typically pretty silent about it. 

We have no evidence that Randy ever imposed any kind of spending philosophy on the FO, while here we have Haslam giving us a virtual paper trail. It is possible Haslam is all gung ho about FA, but has been talked off the diving board by Banner. 

We also know Haslam just spent at least three months lying to the fans, so he could be lying again. We'll have to wait and see. 

Finally, a "value" pickup does not preclude a high dollar FA.
Randy's dictate team  spending must be revenue neutral, means what?

Any evidence Randy said to spend whatever is necessary to bring a winner? Mom and sis and I want the fans to have a winner.
Ur missing the point based on fighting last year's war.


F Randy. F it all.

The salient point is that Trey says he's going to aquiesce to a FO that is "building through the draft". We ALL know what that means. If you need me to break it down for you, which I doubt, I will. Drop the weirgeld (sp?) with the android and RECOGNIZE!

SSDD. 

Another 5 year plan with a bright shiney BS vaneer. At least jammies didn't have no veneer.

Whether you suck with apathy than suck while being lied to you still suck through a rebuild.
 Afraid you are right. This year may be an anomaly.With mandatory spending,  there may  e a splurge in spending akin to that when Al received his check out notice. I dont know how any F A spending or Trade induced spending this spring will be a predictor of future spending or team plan.

This could be all blather. For even if we sign a couple of high profile, make a splash signees, does it mean anything going forward?

I want to see how it plays out.  Imo Haslam is just talking.  Saying nothing.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 11:42 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:
redright wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/clev...tition-1.369744

Skip over the bright shiney media ready QB controversy and pay attention:

“They’re studying,” Haslam said. “I think we have a pretty good feel for what our needs are. They’re going to look at free agency, and they’re going to look at the draft. I think we’ll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there’s some talent out there that matches our needs and it’s at the right dollar level, then I think we’ll probably make some moves. I don’t think you’ll see us make any big, splashy, high-priced moves because I think we’ve said all along we’re going to build through the draft.”

"Greet the new boss. same as the old Boss."
The primary difference between Randy and Jimmy to this point, is Haslam is telling us what the team FA philosophy will be and Randy was typically pretty silent about it. 

We have no evidence that Randy ever imposed any kind of spending philosophy on the FO, while here we have Haslam giving us a virtual paper trail. It is possible Haslam is all gung ho about FA, but has been talked off the diving board by Banner. 

We also know Haslam just spent at least three months lying to the fans, so he could be lying again. We'll have to wait and see. 

Finally, a "value" pickup does not preclude a high dollar FA.
Randy's dictate team  spending must be revenue neutral, means what?

Any evidence Randy said to spend whatever is necessary to bring a winner? Mom and sis and I want the fans to have a winner.
Ur missing the point based on fighting last year's war.


F Randy. F it all.

The salient point is that Trey says he's going to aquiesce to a FO that is "building through the draft". We ALL know what that means. If you need me to break it down for you, which I doubt, I will. Drop the weirgeld (sp?) with the android and RECOGNIZE!

SSDD. 

Another 5 year plan with a bright shiney BS vaneer. At least jammies didn't have no veneer.

Whether you suck with apathy than suck while being lied to you still suck through a rebuild.
Nas,

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Posted: 2/5/2013 12:35 PM

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Well, if you put out a multiple choice question with "What will Haslam say about the upcoming fa period?", the likely answer would have been what he said.  And he pretty much said it all before anyway, especially the part about building through the draft.

That said, they may spend some money if they can specifically target a lg or a fs or a familiar face at lb.  They have to make up for their lack of a second round pick. 

Otherwise, they'll be doing the usual shopping for depth.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 2:10 PM

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Nasdaq wrote: 

Ur missing the point based on fighting last year's war.


F Randy. F it all.

The salient point is that Trey says he's going to aquiesce to a FO that is "building through the draft". We ALL know what that means. If you need me to break it down for you, which I doubt, I will. Drop the weirgeld (sp?) with the android and RECOGNIZE!

SSDD. 

Another 5 year plan with a bright shiney BS vaneer. At least jammies didn't have no veneer.

Whether you suck with apathy than suck while being lied to you still suck through a rebuild.
Did you think Haslam brought Banner along with him to ignore him? Of course he's listening to his front office.  He would be an idiot if he didn't. 

If what Haslam AND Banner have said is their true intent, this is Banner's philosophy in play. Exactly what moves they need to make is still being formulated.  I see no reason this can't be the truth, but then I saw no reason to go through the whole charade with Lombardi. 

And, just because Haslam intends on this course of action doesn't mean he can stay the course. A bad year might have Jimmy breathing hard and changing course. We have to wait and see. Some will assume this to be true, but then they assumed Haslam would be spending big bucks...just because.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 2:40 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:
daddywags wrote: While I agree with the general sentiment, I'm trying to figure out why any owner in any sport in his right mind would say something like: "We're going to spend like drunken sailors in free agency.  Free agents - come and get us baby!".

My advice, as always: Watch what they do, not what they say.

This is the 21st Century. No one says what they're going to do like that. They use code words. So when Trey says things like 'sense of urgency" and "winning is the priority" that means two things. He means what he says or he's full of crap when he comes back foot disengaged from throttle.

And "building theorugh the draft" and "sense of urgency" are at complete and polar odds.

Conclusion?

FOS.

The players have changed butt the FO strategy remains the same. Like I wrote, the only dif will be in the execution.

On a scale of 1 - 10 I thought H&H ended up at about a 6 given progress as I saw the talent level rising.

The question is whether Lombardi and baner are gonna top that. I admit right now my opinion of Lombardi is about Kelvin 0 on that scale.

But like RR says, we shall see.

I don't think we can draw accurate conclusions yet, YMMV.  I know what I think, but frankly it doesn't depend much on what they say.  It's more geared toward what I've seen done so far.  As for free agency, who knows?  They could go out and sign Tim Tebow to a $100 million contract and say "We never thought he would be available!".  Or they could keep the zipper tight on Haslam's wallet.  Either way what he/they have said to date won't be the determining factor.

1/6/04 Rest in peace "Daddy Wags." May perpetual light shine upon you.

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