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Re: Modell misses Hall of Fame vote again

Posted: 2/4/2013 6:33 PM

Re: Modell misses Hall of Fame vote again 


I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi as he was once again instrumental in keeping that pos out of the hall.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:41 AM

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Lumpy wrote: I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi as he was once again instrumental in keeping that pos out of the hall.

Every day on the big board delusional orange colored glasses Browns' fan bags on Grossi.

And every year he's Horatius at the Bridge for us.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:40 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:
Lumpy wrote: I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi as he was once again instrumental in keeping that pos out of the hall.

Every day on the big board delusional orange colored glasses Browns' fan bags on Grossi.

And every year he's Horatius at the Bridge for us.
Exquisite!!!
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:53 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:
Lumpy wrote: I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi as he was once again instrumental in keeping that pos out of the hall.

Every day on the big board delusional orange colored glasses Browns' fan bags on Grossi.

And every year he's Horatius at the Bridge for us.

FWIW after the first time Art almost made it in I heard that while Grossi's speech really didn't matter.  The votes weren't there to begin with.  I'll try to dig up my email exchange from someone in the room for that one. 

No reason to think otherwise this go around.  Besides some blowhards who love to talk up owners to the HoF because they know that owners return the favor most of the people in that room would prefer to elect GMs/Players/Coaches.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 3:35 PM

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0tter wrote:
Nasdaq wrote:
Lumpy wrote: I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi as he was once again instrumental in keeping that pos out of the hall.

Every day on the big board delusional orange colored glasses Browns' fan bags on Grossi.

And every year he's Horatius at the Bridge for us.

FWIW after the first time Art almost made it in I heard that while Grossi's speech really didn't matter.  The votes weren't there to begin with.  I'll try to dig up my email exchange from someone in the room for that one. 

No reason to think otherwise this go around.  Besides some blowhards who love to talk up owners to the HoF because they know that owners return the favor most of the people in that room would prefer to elect GMs/Players/Coaches.
Otter,
My knowledge of Grossi's influence comes from a well honed insider on this board.  I would really tend to not believe anything else.  Grossi did it the first go round and again this year.
Where is the info on the votes not being there to begin with?....and how can that even be possible?  Nobody knows the votes until they come in...correct?

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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:40 AM

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Lumpy wrote:
Otter,
My knowledge of Grossi's influence comes from a well honed insider on this board.  I would really tend to not believe anything else.  Grossi did it the first go round and again this year.
Where is the info on the votes not being there to begin with?....and how can that even be possible?  Nobody knows the votes until they come in...correct?

Most of the people in that room have known each other for decades.   Saying that they don't know how each other will vote is like you sitting down at a Thanksgiving dinner and not knowing which sides of a family argument your relatives are each going to take. 

The 'speeches' tend to not have much, if any, impact.  The nominee has to get 80% of the vote.  With 46 people on the selection committe that means you only need 9 people to not vote for someone.

Look over this list and you probably won't have to look too hard to find 9 guys who weren't exactly fans of Modell's moves:

http://www.profootballhof.com/...ionprocess.aspx

Here's an article predating the vote that explains why he didn't thin the owners would get in. 

http://www.willitsnews.com/ci_...-fame-vote-more#

Essentially it boils down to the knowledge that there are at least a few guys in the room who'd rather cover badmitton than vote for a owner and plenty of others who just flat out never liked Modell and never felt he was anything more than an opportunistic businessman.

Now of course there's always the possibility that someone is convinced, via horse trading or God forbid an actual fact, but again the people in that room for the most part have been doing this way too long to be surprised.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:03 AM

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What Grossi did was necessary, but any Browns beat writer in the same position would have done the same. 

It was necessary to put the sentimenta out there, but it's not like it served as an epiphany for voters at large and put a halt to a bandwagon of pro-Modell sentiment.

But hey, Grossi can at least believe he was Horatius.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 12:21 PM

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Thanks for the information Otter and I see where you were coming from.

Still, Grossi did his part...again per Lane.  Perhaps he wasn't as instrumental as I stated, but he had a role.

Thanks again.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:17 PM

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Otter

Look over this list and you probably won't have to look too hard to find 9 guys who weren't exactly fans of Modell's moves:

http://www.profootballhof.com/...ionprocess.aspx

rr..... One consideration.  Modell held 40 season tickets to the NY Giants. He provided their use to many.  This gave him a lot of "friends" in the world of the NY media. Art was a salesman and adept at pleasing people, making friends.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 8:36 PM

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"I guess we should all thank Tony Grossi..."

-- Wait a minute. Wasn't he administratively "reassigned" or something like that? (You know, demoted, down-graded and an attempt was made to make him officially "irrelevant".)

How can we thank him no matter what his knowledge or experience or intellectual prowess is? 

Isn't a "zero tolerance" administrative stance the most important thing?
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