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Re: Weeden, QBs and the draft

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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:20 AM

Re: Weeden, QBs and the draft 




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--- redright wrote:


Gary Reents wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: Alex Smith = NFL success
DA = NFL fail
Brandon Weeden = NFL success or failure, outcome unknown

Bringing DA in is not bringing in competition, it's just changing the name of the backup.

Not sure if the Browns want Smith or Smith wants the Browns. It's a long shot. But if it were to unfold that way, I don't see how that can be a bad thing. Worst case Weeden has an epiphany and beats out Smith in TC (hello Matt Flynn) and we wasted some cap space and have an awesome backup AND a hot 2nd year QB. Smith beats out Weeden (which is what I'd bet happens) and you've got a (way) above average starter and a above average back up. Win win either way.

Substititue Matt Flynn for Weeden and you could let that roll as well. Substitue some rookie QB out of this draft and use the cap money to get vet help at positions you would have used draft picks on and I'm all right with that too. What I'm not alright with is thinking that we can stand pat with Brandon Weeden and blow another year if he can't play a consistent game.

All these decisions are complicated, but they won't be weighed in a vacuum. The coaches are going to have OTAs and film and teaching time with Weeden to access how much of an investment to make in him. Biggest worry for me is his ability to see the field and play intuitively.

Weeden hasn't shown enough to be gifted the position, but he's shown enough to deserve a shot at starting. I understand the desire to commit to and develop a young QB, but you do that with a QB who demonstrates enough to justify the investment. Weeden doesn't have that luxury, partly because of his age, and partly because of his spotty play last season. If you bring in a vet, see if Weeden can raise to the occasion (a pretty good test of his competitive will). Bring in a rookie and develop in parallel and see if you catch fire in a bottle.

For f'''k's sake, be proactive for once.

This is the crossroads. There's some good young talent, there's some quality vets, the window can be starting to open. Won't open without a QB and some FA talent. Spend 2 years dicking around
with Weeden and fail, then guys like Joe Thomas are on the downside and you're trying to backfill holes again.

Carpe diem, bitches.
If they go with Alex Smith they have given up on Weeden. If they bring in DA, Chud is ensuring he has a QB that can run his offense and is unsure of Weeden but wants to see. 

I'm not saying its what I want, I think that's what follows.
Logical   Smith coming in not only means they have given up on Weeds, it signals a different offense.
What are your thoughts on Moore?  Did well. in Miami.  Wants to compete as a starter.  Looks to fit Norv's. system.

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Band aids & JAGs are complete utter & total wastes of time. This team needs a SOLUTION at the most important position in sports. If all u can get are Moores & Smiths screw it. Just give Weeds the 2nd year, roll the dice, & hope the guy at OSU shows up a year late or set sites on 2014. Build the rest of the team. Limited resources, many needs.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:38 AM

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They have 15 games of film on Weeden plus about 22 weeks worth of practice film. Not to mention two years of college. And yet there has not been one positive comment on Weeds from Haslem, Banner, Chud or Turner. Just a unified front of "We'll have to watch the film before we make any comments."

Then a couple of weeks later Trey lets slip that they've decided to bring somebody in to compete for the starting QB job.

They're just not sold on this guy even though is skill set fits the new offense. 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they wait for the Niners to release Smith and then make a serious play for him. Let Smith be the starter for the next 2-3 years which gives them time to draft the next raw talent (e.g. Kaepernick in round 2) and develop him.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:50 AM

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NAS:

Band aids & JAGs are complete utter & total wastes of time. This team needs a SOLUTION at the most important position in sports. If all u can get are Moores & Smiths screw it. Just give Weeds the 2nd year, roll the dice, & hope the guy at OSU shows up a year late or set sites on 2014. Build the rest of the team. Limited resources, many needs.

AA:

Absolutely.  I'm not sold on Weeden, but let's see if a new offense is a better fit for him. 
The alternatives presented are band-aids at best.  Even as desperate as the Chiefs happen to be, they've resigned themselves to shoring up other areas via the draft. 

Every year sees a shortage or surplus at various positions, and it doesn't help to reach out of need.  You can wait for the replacement exhaust system to arrive tomorrow, or you can jerry-rig that used Plymouth exhaust on to your Accord and get on the highway pronto!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:27 AM

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Agree with giving Weeds the pole position He wasn't my guy, but he is here. My thoughts run to matching the Q Bs for he first time. I m considering the groupings.

Group A ,weeds, anderson, moore 

Group B,  smith, mccoy, lewis

Going with Group A or B puts  the complete offense on the same page same system. All Wrs Rbs, Tes, Ols perform the same no matter who is under center.

My guess, chud, norv  group A.  If Weeds is a washout, next man up fits. At least we have an identity.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:49 AM

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Group B is irrelevant.

IMO, they will give Weeds the chance to show what he can do in an offense that is not Shurmur's version of the prevent wco.

If they work with him, the reads will come quicker and he may possibly make the right decisions.

Last edited 2/6/2013 9:54 AM by Lumpy

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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:26 PM

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band aids and jags are not the answer.  I opine weeds, moore, and anderson cost less than smith, mccoy, and lewis or little difference. I dont see any of the six being the guy. maybe weeds or moore might be good enough while the team builds. I propose getting all the ducks lined up in the norv system giving us consistency for short money.  The Q B hunt doesnt end with these six, imo.

Flesh out the team.  Get your identity.  Seems that is what S F did waiting for Colin..
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