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Re: Everybody loves Raymond

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Posted: 1/26/2013 5:52 AM

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Gameface64 wrote: Synchonicity baby. It also reminded me of one other statement that Horton made, that had he gotten the HC job in AZ that Norv would have been his OC.

Guess Norv loves Ray more than Chud. But Chud got the last laugh.
Maybe he meant he would've offered the OC job to Turner. I always thought that Norv picked the Browns anyways because besides the friendship withChud, he has his son on the staff. Maybe spend 2 years or so working with his boy and teaching him the OC ropes before retiring.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:48 AM

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Yogi,

If you read the link, Horton says that he had Norv hired on a will come basis, and he talked about it in all his interviews.

Glad he's not mad at the Browns for not hiring him and Norv.

Again, not saying this is a bad thing, or a good thing. Just that he is......unusual.

Wonder if Chudzinski picked Horton, or if it was HasBan. Remember Chud seemed to want Pagano (is he employed now?) or Tucker (is he employed now?). HasBan had interviewed Horton, Horton says he was telling potential employers that he could deliver Norv. We know HasBan wanted Turner pretty badly. Which might explain why Horton is comfortable saying sh''t in the press that could be interpreted as embarrassing to his HC.

Maybe Horton is so good that he'll be an HC somewhere soon. He may be the next Rex Ryan. Maybe Chud doesn't care what Horton says to the press, and is quietly confident and secure.

It will only become a problem if things get rough, and Horton starts whispering (or saying out loud) that he would have been the better choice to be HC of the Browns. And based on the how he's acted so far, it wouldn't surprise that that is exactly what he thinks.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:11 PM

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Chud has to be confident and secure. He has Norv and Horton as coordinators Each could be H C candidates. Each is a good choice as a coordinator I like Chud,s confidence.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:17 PM

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Chud and Horton holding hands and singing Kumbaya at the press conference. Just a matter of different semantics, that's all.

Which I actually believe because Chud says he watched film of Zona's defense prior to interviewing Horton and thinking this is the kind of defense I want the Browns to play.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:34 AM

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PROSECUTOR wrote: Chud and Horton holding hands and singing Kumbaya at the press conference. Just a matter of different semantics, that's all.

Which I actually believe because Chud says he watched film of Zona's defense prior to interviewing Horton and thinking this is the kind of defense I want the Browns to play.
It's essentially the modern Steelers defense but with Arizona personnel.  This isn't rocket science.  They are going to be an attacking defense with a lot of different looks intending to keep the offense off balance. 

Forget the schemes for a bit and recognize that they hired Horton and Chud for the mindset they bring.  Attack.  Attack.  Attack.

Norv they hired because he's supposedly one of the most gifted offensive scripters and playcallers ever in the NFL.  Which is what you need when you're facing at least 13 distinctly different defenses each year and what you need when you have a rookie HC.  They hope that Chud's mindset with Norv's playbook is going to be what wins in this league long term.

Hopefully they're right.  But for the record I don't recall attacking D's working great with high risk attacking O's.  Attacking D's - a lot of movement near the line and safety/corner blitzes - tend to work good with runcentric offenses that even when they're not effective still keep the clock moving and the defense off the field resting. I would wager we'll see more lopsided games then we're used to although hopefully they're lopsided towards the Browns favor more often than not.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:23 AM

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But for the record I don't recall attacking D's working great with high risk attacking O's.  Attacking D's - a lot of movement near the line and safety/corner blitzes - tend to work good with runcentric offenses that even when they're not effective still keep the clock moving and the defense off the field resting.

Turner's record shows that most of his teams' running games improved dramatically the year he arrived. I think both Weeden and Richardson are going to benefit. 

Especially if they sign the best free agent guard out there - maybe that guy from San Diego will follow Norv to Cleveland.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:21 PM

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PROSECUTOR wrote:

Turner's record shows that most of his teams' running games improved dramatically the year he arrived. I think both Weeden and Richardson are going to benefit. 

Especially if they sign the best free agent guard out there - maybe that guy from San Diego will follow Norv to Cleveland.

But Turner has always called/coached a conservative offense.   Even with Dallas they essentially just out talented and out play called their opposition.  I don't recall them being remarkably aggressive. 

Again even assuming Turner is calling the plays in his playbook (and I don't think Chud's said who is calling plays yet) he's not going to be dictating the flow of the offense.   Chud is going to be doing that.   In the real world if Norv is calling plays the scenario is going to go something like up 3 in the 4th quarter with 5 minutes left to play and Chud tells Norv he wants to go vertical.  Norv is going to decide what play sequence he's going to call but it'll be end up with a vertical play.  Maybe that means a quick run followed by a p/a post route.    In SD Norv might have just played it safe and run 3 times. 

Still all subjective until we see how the philosophy meshes on Sundays.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:24 PM

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Coincidence?

Turner has always been a conservative play caller.
Turner is #2 all time close game losing coach.

Question .  What is all this talk of an aggressive offense?
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:24 AM

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Coincidence?

Turner has always been a conservative play caller.
Turner is #2 all time close game losing coach.

Question .  What is all this talk of an aggressive offense?

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NT comes from the Gillman vertical tree & not the PB tree of modern offensive theory.

His mix didn't look too bad when he had Smith, Troy & Irvin lulling you to sleep with I back pounding & then the deep ball.

It's the D not letting that happen that worries me.

I'm seeing Kivi or Jones with pick one & some DBs via FA.

We'll see but whatever Lombardi decides will prolly suck.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:45 AM

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Nas

We saw that in the 50s  Tittle, Shofner, Webster.  It was all  the Defense making it work. Norv got three talented players Aikman, Smith, irving and became a genius. Tucker has his work cut out.
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