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Re: Weeds not gifted the spot .....................

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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:02 PM

Re: Weeds not gifted the spot ..................... 


G,

I have mixed feelings about Chud's statement that it would be premature to name Weeden the starter at this point. Absolutely agree that it would be nice not to have the Couch/Kelly, Frye/DA, DA/Quinn scenarios right off the bat, and really showing confidence and dedication to one QB would be soothing.

On the other hand, I would like the QB of the Cleveland Browns to have a strong and competitive enough nature to welcome any challenge. Russell Wilson didn't need the Seattle front office to declare him the starter prior to TC in order to thrive.

I do worry a bit about Weeden's failed baseball career. That was his first choice as a pro athelete, and he tanked. Not sure how much of that was physical talent, but seems to me a pitcher with a good arm who fails, probably failed at mastering his craft from a mental standpoint. He wasn't either smart enough or determined enough to harness his ability, throw with control, and have a strategy for getting hitters out. All similar attributes required for being a successful NFL QB. Just doesn't include the ability to shake off concussions. ; - )
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:32 PM

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Gameface64 wrote: G,

I have mixed feelings about Chud's statement that it would be premature to name Weeden the starter at this point. Absolutely agree that it would be nice not to have the Couch/Kelly, Frye/DA, DA/Quinn scenarios right off the bat, and really showing confidence and dedication to one QB would be soothing.

On the other hand, I would like the QB of the Cleveland Browns to have a strong and competitive enough nature to welcome any challenge. Russell Wilson didn't need the Seattle front office to declare him the starter prior to TC in order to thrive.

I do worry a bit about Weeden's failed baseball career. That was his first choice as a pro athelete, and he tanked. Not sure how much of that was physical talent, but seems to me a pitcher with a good arm who fails, probably failed at mastering his craft from a mental standpoint. He wasn't either smart enough or determined enough to harness his ability, throw with control, and have a strategy for getting hitters out. All similar attributes required for being a successful NFL QB. Just doesn't include the ability to shake off concussions. ; - )

Need swb to come out of the weeds but his problem in baseball was that he couldn't develop s secondary pitch.  He had a good 4 seam fastball in the low 90s with movement but nothing more than that.  He was hurt in 2006 and at that point he was either going to college or he could try to make the majors as a reliever. 

But he was a ptbnl in a very big trade and was also picked up in the rule 5 draft at a point when MLB scouts would know if it's a character problem.  He just could never control a breaking ball.  Not so much a requirement for NFL QBs.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:06 PM

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0tter wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: G,

I have mixed feelings about Chud's statement that it would be premature to name Weeden the starter at this point. Absolutely agree that it would be nice not to have the Couch/Kelly, Frye/DA, DA/Quinn scenarios right off the bat, and really showing confidence and dedication to one QB would be soothing.

On the other hand, I would like the QB of the Cleveland Browns to have a strong and competitive enough nature to welcome any challenge. Russell Wilson didn't need the Seattle front office to declare him the starter prior to TC in order to thrive.

I do worry a bit about Weeden's failed baseball career. That was his first choice as a pro athelete, and he tanked. Not sure how much of that was physical talent, but seems to me a pitcher with a good arm who fails, probably failed at mastering his craft from a mental standpoint. He wasn't either smart enough or determined enough to harness his ability, throw with control, and have a strategy for getting hitters out. All similar attributes required for being a successful NFL QB. Just doesn't include the ability to shake off concussions. ; - )

Need swb to come out of the weeds but his problem in baseball was that he couldn't develop s secondary pitch.  He had a good 4 seam fastball in the low 90s with movement but nothing more than that.  He was hurt in 2006 and at that point he was either going to college or he could try to make the majors as a reliever. 

But he was a ptbnl in a very big trade and was also picked up in the rule 5 draft at a point when MLB scouts would know if it's a character problem.  He just could never control a breaking ball.  Not so much a requirement for NFL QBs.
SD:

IIRC in addition to the control issues you mentioned he also has some sort of funny rotator -quasi shoulder type injury which precludes him from throwing a big time baseball , but doesn't effect his delivery with a football .

For what we need , he can spin it , however he has tons of work to do to refine the intricacies of the game ,tons , he's got to refine his arm to the point he's confident to throw in the small windows he dodged last year .

To that point Norv Turner is perfect , if Weeds can't step his game up under Norvs tutelage , then thats on the Weed man not on the coaching which was a contributing factor which inhibited his growth.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:37 PM

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Otter's point that Weeds couldn't learn the curve not being germane to football is accurate on a literal level. But not on a broader one, which is that professional athletes in almost all sports must master the mental aspect of their position.

I have no opinion that Weeden can't do it. But in context of Chud's poking his ego, I don't really give a f:::k. For Weeden to be a SB quality QB, he needs to be mentally tough.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:50 PM

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Gameface64 wrote: Otter's point that Weeds couldn't learn the curve not being germane to football is accurate on a literal level. But not on a broader one, which is that professional athletes in almost all sports must master the mental aspect of their position.

I have no opinion that Weeden can't do it. But in context of Chud's poking his ego, I don't really give a f:::k. For Weeden to be a SB quality QB, he needs to be mentally tough.
SD:

Which brings it back full circle to Wilson .

From day one the third rounder carried himself like the starter , which means Weeds biggest enemy is himself and that spectre that despite being drafted in the first  dep down in side the boogie man is telling him he ain't good enough , if he shrinks from the guantlet which was just put down .

Time to step your game up , or get chopped at 29 going on thirty nobody has time to hold his hand and go thru tender moments .

If this is your team then take the reins in your teeth and start blazing with both fists and make it so .


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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:53 PM

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Yup. Giddy up MF.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:58 PM

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SoulDawg74 wrote:
Gameface64 wrote: Otter's point that Weeds couldn't learn the curve not being germane to football is accurate on a literal level. But not on a broader one, which is that professional athletes in almost all sports must master the mental aspect of their position.

I have no opinion that Weeden can't do it. But in context of Chud's poking his ego, I don't really give a f:::k. For Weeden to be a SB quality QB, he needs to be mentally tough.
SD:

Which brings it back full circle to Wilson .

From day one the third rounder carried himself like the starter , which means Weeds biggest enemy is himself and that spectre that despite being drafted in the first  dep down in side the boogie man is telling him he ain't good enough , if he shrinks from the guantlet which was just put down .

Time to step your game up , or get chopped at 29 going on thirty nobody has time to hold his hand and go thru tender moments .

If this is your team then take the reins in your teeth and start blazing with both fists and make it so .


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Sad . At 29 he was the mature , mentally tough pick.  Now we speak of 22 year olds as the example for mentally tough and leader.
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