Posted: 1/24/2013 8:12 PM
Posted: 1/25/2013 1:53 PM
HeadHole wrote: "Welcome to PF. Okay. That's done."-- Thank you. As you say, that's done."Now I have to give you a hard time."-- I don't think I need to worry about that. "Your first statement is arguable. You go on to say "new guys" don't have a vested interest in these players. You didn't actually use vested interest, but I explained what you meant better than you did. Why is it a good thing to immediately tell a QB he's on shaky ground? Specifically. What does it accomplish?"-- When did Chud or Norv actually say Weeden was on "shaky ground"? I took the gist of what they were saying at their press conference as indicating the obvious that their evaluations were pending. A possible extension of that is that positions going forward may be impacted. In essence, any position in a competitive game is competitive or, in your terms, on shaky ground. (See Flynn, Smith, Tebow, Claussen, etc.) Nothing said was unusual or directly threatening. "See. I find it disheartening. I find it disheartening because that attitude is the exact one every other new coach took as they tore down the roster for our typical two steps back on the promise of a step forward. Usually we get the two steps back and a new coach."-- This is a different consideration. "Two steps back" can be disheartening if they don't need to be made. "Two steps back" can be two steps forward ultimately if they need to be made. That is a valid debate that will be dependent on future events. Guys trying to make valid changes is one thing. Guys making changes just to show how important they are is another thing. Something to be watched."So, why is it a good thing to immediately make your QB uncertain and do it in the press before speaking with him?"-- I believe the comments made were meant to be team-focused and fairly generic. Sometimes the context a question is asked in and then answered in can lead one to make assumptions that may have not been there. It's January. We'll know more down the road."Then you go on with some...chatter...water is wet...sun is hot...snow is cold...finally you end up with Chud will take the QB position seriously."-- Water isn't always wet, the sun isn't always hot (on Earth, at least) and snow can be cold or really cold, slushy or powdery. Actually, I didn't say those things. The comment about Chud and Turner, to make it clear if it needs to be, was meant to emphasize their offensive backgrounds and how it may impact Weeden's future. That is, things haven't changed with a new FO and new coaches. "Why do you believe Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmer weren't serious about the QB position?"-- I'm willing to believe they were. Like I said, things haven't now changed and Weeden- as all players are- is still to be evaluated. As we all know, Holmgren and Heckert and Shurmer are all gone. What matters now is what Chud and Norv think and do. If anything recently said upset Weeden's feelings, I'm not sure what to think of his mindset."More importantly, what is there about embarrassing a player you haven't even met yet that signals Chud is serious?"--You may see this as "more important", but I think you are making jumps in logic that don't exist. I don't see Chud's recent comments as a sign of seriousness about the QB position. I think they were fairly straightforward press conference stuff. I think his- and Turner's- seriousness (that is, value regarding) the QB position as something indicated by their past histories. Who knows where the team will go under the new regime? It is good- or valid- that a new HC says he wants to evaluate people at this point. Predictable, but good. And if a 1 year player can get upset by a new HC in January, then it's best to know that as soon as possible.
Posted: 1/25/2013 3:14 PM
Posted: 1/25/2013 3:28 PM
HeadHole wrote: Having said all that, it would be wise not to reinvent the wheel if you don't have to. Stay with guys who fit your ideas and change only what needs to be changed.
Posted: 1/25/2013 3:53 PM
Posted: 1/25/2013 4:49 PM
Posted: 1/25/2013 7:26 PM
Posted: 1/25/2013 7:29 PM
suzi_q wrote: Just for that, I'm hanging around. Posting stuff. With links. Challenging opinions and crazy ass statements. Prodding peeps to elevate their game.In other words, making a general nuisance of myself. I've got you in my sights.
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