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How are we NOT going to make a splash in FA?

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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:22 AM

How are we NOT going to make a splash in FA? 


I am just curious because i was reading we have to be within a certain percentage of the CAP this year and every year after and that this year was the only exempt year. I read somewhere that Banner said we are NOT going to make a big splash in Free Agency but i was wondering how do you NOT make a big splash and spend close to 50 million in cap space? Anyone have a clue on how this can be accomplished?
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Posted: 1/21/2013 5:03 AM

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mythrand wrote: I am just curious because i was reading we have to be within a certain percentage of the CAP this year and every year after and that this year was the only exempt year. I read somewhere that Banner said we are NOT going to make a big splash in Free Agency but i was wondering how do you NOT make a big splash and spend close to 50 million in cap space? Anyone have a clue on how this can be accomplished?
Don't know. Maybe he intends to gut the roster and replace them with new journeymen free agents?

Or, he may be lying to lower expectations. Not that Banner would lie.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:14 AM

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It will be interesting how free agency develops for the Browns.

They have to spend about 90% of their money.

The rookie pool is automatic, but, it should not be much after the spend on the 6th pick, there is not second round pick.

They can extend a few players, like Mack and Joe Haden, that should be an interesting amount.  The could front load those contracts.

I don't see a $100 million for a defensive lineman, like Buffalo did last year.

I expect some players being added from Arizona, San Diego and Carolina.

If the scheme does change to the 34, look for a good splash for an OLB.

Banner is known to be tight with money, which is fine with me.  There are teams out there that are known to over spend to drive the market high.  Let them spend their money and when the high spenders have exhausted their money, there will be some good players left in the open market.

The question that is needed to be asked.  Will the good players want to play for Banner and Lombardi?  Cleveland has been a hard place to sell as an attractive market and some of the previous regimes had over paid for players.

It should be an interesting off season.

Again, they are required to spend the money.  How they spend it will be interesting.

My bet is some good players, FS, CB, OLB, DE, G, FB & WR, will be areas of interests.  If they determine Brandon Weeden is not the guy, QB, might become the higher priority.  A good veteran QB might be a nice addition after they cut McCoy.  McCoy does not match the idea of a vertical passing attack scheme.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:33 AM

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Gary Reents wrote:
mythrand wrote: I am just curious because i was reading we have to be within a certain percentage of the CAP this year and every year after and that this year was the only exempt year. I read somewhere that Banner said we are NOT going to make a big splash in Free Agency but i was wondering how do you NOT make a big splash and spend close to 50 million in cap space? Anyone have a clue on how this can be accomplished?
Don't know. Maybe he intends to gut the roster and replace them with new journeymen free agents?

Or, he may be lying to lower expectations. Not that Banner would lie.
Get over it already! Dead horse meet flogger. Good Grief.

Each team must spend 89% of the salary cap in 2013. Which for the browns is a sizable increase. But that doesn't mean they will make a "big splash" in FAcy. A " big splash" is a relative term anyway, depending on your POV.

Obviously the team can and will sign some of it's own FA's. And they will bring in new players. But I just don't think the new players will be" big name/ big money" guys.

Also, players under contract who are released have their cap #'s accelerated. In our case players like DJack and Gocong, who Heckert signed to bloated contracts, might be released causing an accelerated hit and eating up some of that 50 million cap number.

It'll be interesting to see what they do in the coming months, as it appears they are hell bent to remove all things Holmgren from the organization.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:41 AM

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Well Myth, if past is prologue apply the case study.

1. They will target early & decide early.

2. Damn the zits, pigeon chest, kMart wardrobe and Mathlete social status, we'll put alot of effort into landing the platinum blonde head cheerleader as prom date.

3. We will take her on a date & let her eat lobster & baked Alaska and get a hug at nights end and a polite no to the face while she bags on us to her friends afterwards back channel.

4. While time is wasted on elite FAs to make a splash, Preferred FAs pass as well.

5. Prom night we're at home alone playing COD on line with buddies while that girl & her date are afterpromming at the hotel in the hot tub suite.

6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

IOW. Get ready for a slew of Dmitri's, Sheldon's , Watsons at much higher prices because of agents not wanting to tie players to Banner / Lombardi until we over pay handsomely IF Banner would do so. Since his league rep & ego is 100% tied to his " tough-shrewd negotiator" status, I am 80-20 he won't overspend unless/until Haslam intervenes. If Haslam does & isn't shot down Zlombardi will give some head case or crap player a ridiculous deal and they'll play it up. Jim Nance will tell us we signed Reggie White.

So I'll call it now & feel welcome to bring it back in March. We'll refuse to overspend bacause Banner won't allow it. So FAs will opt elsewhere. We'll pannic in the end and sign a few older JAGs or washed up types looking for a last decent check. It will be the same type of young players as bin Young and a Ted DC or two to show how drivey-winney we now are and the masses will extoll the brilliance of not being stuck with the next Mario Williams and convince themselves failure is really success and the best possible outcome.

As sure as I sit here.

PS- Ray Horton is a popular players coach. Look for any current or ex Cards on D in FAgency as potential FAs who may come if overpaid.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 7:58 PM

Horton may , I say may tip that wheel ............. 



Nasdaq wrote: Well Myth, if past is prologue apply the case study.

1. They will target early & decide early.

2. Damn the zits, pigeon chest, kMart wardrobe and Mathlete social status, we'll put alot of effort into landing the platinum blonde head cheerleader as prom date.

3. We will take her on a date & let her eat lobster & baked Alaska and get a hug at nights end and a polite no to the face while she bags on us to her friends afterwards back channel.

4. While time is wasted on elite FAs to make a splash, Preferred FAs pass as well.

5. Prom night we're at home alone playing COD on line with buddies while that girl & her date are afterpromming at the hotel in the hot tub suite.

6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

IOW. Get ready for a slew of Dmitri's, Sheldon's , Watsons at much higher prices because of agents not wanting to tie players to Banner / Lombardi until we over pay handsomely IF Banner would do so. Since his league rep & ego is 100% tied to his " tough-shrewd negotiator" status, I am 80-20 he won't overspend unless/until Haslam intervenes. If Haslam does & isn't shot down Zlombardi will give some head case or crap player a ridiculous deal and they'll play it up. Jim Nance will tell us we signed Reggie White.

So I'll call it now & feel welcome to bring it back in March. We'll refuse to overspend bacause Banner won't allow it. So FAs will opt elsewhere. We'll pannic in the end and sign a few older JAGs or washed up types looking for a last decent check. It will be the same type of young players as bin Young and a Ted DC or two to show how drivey-winney we now are and the masses will extoll the brilliance of not being stuck with the next Mario Williams and convince themselves failure is really success and the best possible outcome.

As sure as I sit here.

PS- Ray Horton is a popular players coach. Look for any current or ex Cards on D in FAgency as potential FAs who may come if overpaid.
SD:

On that last one , it could be of some benefit .

Checking their UFA defensive website .

No less than two safeties are free a corner a lb a T and a DE,
all trained and versed in his system are sitting for the harvesting . 

Eliminating the problems most free agents have in getting comfortable in a new sytem is half the battle .

Bring in a select gun or two who can contribute and teach his system and it  could provide a culture  invaluabe, to a young corp who will all have to get used to one another .

Combined with augmenting your draft picks , the familairity  could provide a key component to earlier than expected unit integrity .

Its a legit resource we definetly should mine , which would lower the cost long term in regard to paying a little more for them to look past Banner .

Sheeet truth be told , after the Bidwells , Banner might look like a bowl of cherries.

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http://www.spotrac.com/free-ag...zona-cardinals/#


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:23 PM

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N:
6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

G:
No they won't. They'll tell us it was Haslam and Banner's brilliant plan all along to sucker other teams into paying for those overrated bums while we maneuvered around to get the solid values. They'll probably even have some quotes from Lombardi to prove it.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:27 PM

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Gary Reents wrote: N:
6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

G:
No they won't. They'll tell us it was Haslam and Banner's brilliant plan all along to sucker other teams into paying for those overrated bums while we maneuvered around to get the solid values. They'll probably even have some quotes from Lombardi to prove it.

SD:

Don't know about that , just one things for damn sure .

The honeymoon never got started, they won't get the benefit of the doubt with Marecic like sheet picks .

We saved some steps .

So we got that .


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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:53 PM

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N:
6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

G:
No they won't. They'll tell us it was Haslam and Banner's brilliant plan all along to sucker other teams into paying for those overrated bums while we maneuvered around to get the solid values. They'll probably even have some quotes from Lombardi to prove it.

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No, following your logic, Haslam and Banner are already aware that their bad reputations have preceded them. Their ruthless lying to the media has caused agents to alert their clients to stay clear of those immoral devils in CLE. " Didn't you see Banner's horns'" exclaimed one agent of a highly rated soon to be FA, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

So, for this to come full circle, I'm willing to guess that Banner has already calculated the inflated prices he must pay for FAs due to his bad reputation. Thus, he will end up having to spend the 50 mil on nobodies because he's a bad person. Good thing goody two shoes Randy, Holmy, and Heckert saved all that money. They were able to save big because of their reps.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:00 AM

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"How are we NOT going to make a splash in FA?"

By not jumping into the pool. Browns not known for their "cannonballs."
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:06 AM

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Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:23 AM

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I'd expect some in-house extensions and signing bonuses to eat up a chunk of space.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:18 AM

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mes78 wrote:
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N:
6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

G:
No they won't. They'll tell us it was Haslam and Banner's brilliant plan all along to sucker other teams into paying for those overrated bums while we maneuvered around to get the solid values. They'll probably even have some quotes from Lombardi to prove it.

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No, following your logic, Haslam and Banner are already aware that their bad reputations have preceded them. Their ruthless lying to the media has caused agents to alert their clients to stay clear of those immoral devils in CLE. " Didn't you see Banner's horns'" exclaimed one agent of a highly rated soon to be FA, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

So, for this to come full circle, I'm willing to guess that Banner has already calculated the inflated prices he must pay for FAs due to his bad reputation. Thus, he will end up having to spend the 50 mil on nobodies because he's a bad person. Good thing goody two shoes Randy, Holmy, and Heckert saved all that money. They were able to save big because of their reps.
There you go. You use sarcasm well. I like it. There's even a point in it, unlike with the pleading little boy posts , or the caught out in the open all out attack posts to cover their asses.

Your position seems to be "Yes, these guys are ******** and liars, but that doesn't mean the Browns can't still be a top notch football franchise."

You seem to be saying "This is the NFL and liars and bastards abound, so it will have no effect on anything."

I validate your hope. I hope so too. 

That's where we're at. We're hoping these guys with a history of uber egos, dishonesty, and back stabbing can bring a winning franchise regardless of all that.

Your points are well made. Did you get mine?
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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:17 AM

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mes78 wrote:
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--- Gary Reents wrote:

N:
6. Our sychphant buddies tell us what a waste of money the limo & dinner & afterprom would have been & how smart we were.

G:
No they won't. They'll tell us it was Haslam and Banner's brilliant plan all along to sucker other teams into paying for those overrated bums while we maneuvered around to get the solid values. They'll probably even have some quotes from Lombardi to prove it.

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No, following your logic, Haslam and Banner are already aware that their bad reputations have preceded them. Their ruthless lying to the media has caused agents to alert their clients to stay clear of those immoral devils in CLE. " Didn't you see Banner's horns'" exclaimed one agent of a highly rated soon to be FA, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

So, for this to come full circle, I'm willing to guess that Banner has already calculated the inflated prices he must pay for FAs due to his bad reputation. Thus, he will end up having to spend the 50 mil on nobodies because he's a bad person. Good thing goody two shoes Randy, Holmy, and Heckert saved all that money. They were able to save big because of their reps.
There you go. You use sarcasm well. I like it. There's even a point in it, unlike with the pleading little boy posts , or the caught out in the open all out attack posts to cover their asses.

Your position seems to be "Yes, these guys are ******** and liars, but that doesn't mean the Browns can't still be a top notch football franchise."

You seem to be saying "This is the NFL and liars and bastards abound, so it will have no effect on anything."

I validate your hope. I hope so too. 

That's where we're at. We're hoping these guys with a history of uber egos, dishonesty, and back stabbing can bring a winning franchise regardless of all that.

Your points are well made. Did you get mine?

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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:26 AM

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N:
Regardless is nor like in spite of.

You don't need to add ankle weights when your racing Usain Bolt.

G:
You don't need to give Usain added incentive to beat you either.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 9:27 AM

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mythrand wrote: Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
He was a hot FA at the time, very very hot.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:52 PM

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mythrand wrote: Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
He was a hot FA at the time, very very hot.

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Almost too hot thanks to Left Eye.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:06 PM

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donnyunitas wrote:
mythrand wrote: Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
He was a hot FA at the time, very very hot.

My 13 yr old nephew asked at the time..."Who's going to throw him the ball?"

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:16 PM

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donnyunitas wrote:
mythrand wrote: Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
He was a hot FA at the time, very very hot.

Did ML have something to do with that disaster? I seriously dont know. I always thought getting him was fArt's baby. Someone know the story?
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:31 PM

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Nasdaq wrote:

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mythrand wrote: Oh i happen to remember the last Lombardi Splash... Andre Rison
He was a hot FA at the time, very very hot.

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Almost too hot thanks to Left Eye.
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