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RE: If A is true, then B must be true. And if B is true, then...

  • mes78
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Posted: 1/20/2013 7:44 PM

RE: If A is true, then B must be true. And if B is true, then... 


Also, when did Randy get rid of Butch? I thought Randy extended him, handed the keys to the kingdom to him, and Butchie fell on his own sword and quit.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 5:00 AM

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mes78 wrote: Also, when did Randy get rid of Butch? I thought Randy extended him, handed the keys to the kingdom to him, and Butchie fell on his own sword and quit.
Well you got me there. Randy, who wasn't determined and didn't care, somehow put so much pressure on Butch that he went into a fetal position and had to quit. Afterward Butch said the pressure to win was too great.

Haslam hasn't show us much of anything much yet. He missed out on his target coaches. Lost out on one who went to a team I'm afraid will now be considered our primary rival by our own Front Office. Then he brings in a highly suspect GM.

So we have a guy who is referred to as a Little Napolean who wants to try being in control of the football side for once who brought in his buddy who dissed most of our best draft picks over the last two years. I'm sure he's determined to win. Every owner is determined to win.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 7:15 PM

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mes78 wrote: Also, when did Randy get rid of Butch? I thought Randy extended him, handed the keys to the kingdom to him, and Butchie fell on his own sword and quit.
Well you got me there. Randy, who wasn't determined and didn't care, somehow put so much pressure on Butch that he went into a fetal position and had to quit. Afterward Butch said the pressure to win was too great.

Haslam hasn't show us much of anything much yet. He missed out on his target coaches. Lost out on one who went to a team I'm afraid will now be considered our primary rival by our own Front Office. Then he brings in a highly suspect GM.

So we have a guy who is referred to as a Little Napolean who wants to try being in control of the football side for once who brought in his buddy who dissed most of our best draft picks over the last two years. I'm sure he's determined to win. Every owner is determined to win.

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Wait, now every owner is determined to win??? I thought I was being accused of throwing undeserved accolades at an owner (in Haslam) that had to be way premature and overly optimistic. Turns out, my mistake was leaving out the beloved Randy and every other owner. Please. Ask a Pittsburgh Pirate fan how determined their previous 2 owners have been. Ask a ARI Cardinal fan how determined Bidwill is to winning. A blanket statement is never the truth - every owner is determined to win. Determination is clearly not the same as wanting or trying to win. Maybe you meant every owner would like to win.

Let's use another blanket statement to show its fallacy. Of course every owner wants to own the team! Oops, not Randy, he wants to own the soccer team only.

And by no means am I reaping accolades on Haslam, Banner or Lombardi. Their collective competency will be played out soon, and open to evaluation. If their moves have already ruffled your feathers, that's you prerogative.

Banner as Lil Napolean is a characterization that may have a trace of truth to the metaphor, but is a media cliche that is hyperbole. He's been hired as the CEO. By definition of the position he holds a lot of power. Did he scheme and plot to get that position? Probably, and I be shocked if he didn't. That's how sh** works in upper management. Your best friends in the business world will lie, cheat, deceive, mislead, and stab in the back to advance, while attending your children's baptism, picking up the dinner bill, and vacationing with your family. I think the Lurie/Roseman and Banner feud is evidence of this happening right now. Does that make Banner a Lil Napoleon? Nah, it makes him a shorter, more weaselly looking version of every high level exec.

You know the more I'm thinking about it, Randy is more like Napolean than Banner. Both sold their most long-term valuable asset (Louisana Territory for Napolean) to front the bill for their personal, greedy desires in Europe (Napoleon for conquering Europe, and Randy the soccer team in EPL). Both are throwing money, time, effort and energy at selfish goals against incredibly unrealistic odds - Nap. vs. Russian winter, British Navy & Randy vs. Manchester U. Sounds about right - Randy and Napolean.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:33 AM

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Wait, now every owner is determined to win??? I thought I was being accused of throwing undeserved accolades at an owner (in Haslam) that had to be way premature and overly optimistic. Turns out, my mistake was leaving out the beloved Randy and every other owner. Please. Ask a Pittsburgh Pirate fan how determined their previous 2 owners have been. Ask a ARI Cardinal fan how determined Bidwill is to winning. A blanket statement is never the truth - every owner is determined to win. Determination is clearly not the same as wanting or trying to win. Maybe you meant every owner would like to win. 


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Sure. Every owner is determined to win. Every single one. It can be assumed.  Not every one is determined to win at all costs, even at the risk of going broke or losing the team.

Not every owner has the same assets available and are more limited in what they can do, but they are completely determined to win.  For instance, Mike Brown. Brown is completely determined to win. But Mike Brown isn't a Billionare and his daddy wasn't all that rich when he got the franchise. While the team is worth a billion his liquid assets aren't. So his team has to operate within its revenue stream all the time. That's cost him premium players over the years and caused uneven success. But Mike Brown is determined to win.
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