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Posted: 1/17/2013 7:36 PM

So let's reset on Haslam. 



1. He whiffed on all of his top head coaching targets and had to settle for Chud. I like Chud, but as a statement of the Browns coaching search it ended up with a whimper.

2. We have all these reports about Banner. Players say he brought a hostile atmosphere to the team, he's a little napolean, likes to meddle in player evaluation, wants full control, and coaches consider him a disincentive to come here. Choose whether you believe it or not, but that's what's out there.

3. He just renamed Cleveland Browns Stadium to First Energy Stadium for a tidy profit. But we might get wifi at the stadium. 

4. He's going to resdesign the Browns uniforms. He's going to leave the Helmet alone I hear, but the actual uniforms are fair game. 

So...drop in and give me your...what 6 months...grade. Elated? A bit disappointed? Depressed?  Where are you. 

Me? About what I expected after hearing the first reports of Banner. Rookie Owner getting used by an ambitious and ruthless President.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 7:53 PM

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I think the jury is still out. 

1.  Don't agree that he whiffed.  The media outlined who he wanted, never heard it from the horses mouth.

2.  Banner is bringing accountability to the organization which has been sorely lacking.  Don't care what everyone is saying. 

3.  So what?

4.  Again, so what?  As long as the helmet stays, the uniform can't change that much.

I like what I have seen.  Love the selection of Chud, and the new Prez, the San Diego Padres Hire (can't remember his name) and (Nance's replacement?)

He's running the Browns like a billion dollar business, which it is.  Time for us to wait and see what the new org brings, quit crying and throw our support behind this regime.

After all, it's not like the Browns have been a success for the last 14 or so years. 

Why is everyone so afraid of change?  I don't get it.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:12 PM

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He is an engaged owner, so yes.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:00 PM

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Why is a restart of Gary' s agenda a reset?
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:33 PM

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 He whiffed on all of his top head coaching targets and had to settle for Chud. I like Chud, but as a statement of the Browns coaching search it ended up with a whimpe

Had an expansive search. Got the best coach available in the 2013 offseason. Grand Slam.


2. We have all these reports about Banner. Players say he brought a hostile atmosphere to the team, he's a little napolean, likes to meddle in player evaluation, wants full control, and coaches consider him a disincentive to come here. Choose whether you believe it or not, but that's what's out there.

We have a pitbull that won't let a situation like Holmgren or Butch happen again. Bravo.

3. He just renamed Cleveland Browns Stadium to First Energy Stadium for a tidy profit. But we might get wifi at the stadium. 

Awesome. Hurray for capitalism. At least the sponsor has a great name.


4. He's going to resdesign the Browns uniforms. He's going to leave the Helmet alone I hear, but the actual uniforms are fair game. 

Boo...was hoping he would redo the helmets too. Our unis suck ass.

So...drop in and give me your...what 6 months...grade. Elated? A bit disappointed? Depressed?  Where are you. 

Me? About what I expected after hearing the first reports of Banner. Rookie Owner getting used by an ambitious and ruthless President

Wake me up when we are 10 and 6...

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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:07 PM

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Haslam - So far so good!

He appears to be an owner who wants to be involved with the Cleveland Browns fans.  He is not a quiet guy living in New York and not talking to the Cleveland Browns media or making appearances.

I thought he made a mistake by hiring Joe Banner and I will continue to keep that opinion.

There is no doubt he wants to improve the Cleveland Browns.

We don't see the complete picture, but sometime this month the GM and the rest of the coaching staff will be hired and we will get a better understanding on what will happen over the next few years.

The stadium naming rights can produce a good amount of cash flow.

I don't know what he is going to do with the stadium and what is going to happen to improve the fans in attendance. It sounds like he wants to improve their game experience.  This is very good.

Jimmy Haslam appears to be a strong owner and brought Joe Banner along to make sure he did not make any early mistakes in his ownership journey.

The Cleveland Browns have a few weaknesses after the 2012 season.  The first is an offense that did not score enough points  It appears with Chud and Turner, this offense will produce points.

The defense has to be strengthen.  The defensive coordinator and his staff of coaches will be the first step in recognizing the chances of improvement.  I for one, believed that is Dick Jauron got a few more key players the defense would continue to improve.  I don't like the idea that Chud has not talked to Dick Jauron to-date.

There are pluses and minuses, but, I am willing to wait.  So far so good.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:41 PM

More of Gary's "brushstrokes" 



Gary Reents wrote:

We have all these reports ... that's what's out there.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:46 PM

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About what I expected.  We won't be able to tell anything until we see the product on the field regardless of opinions which number about the same as rectal orifices.

His reaction to what he has reorganized to will be the telling factor.  Like I said, fan's opinions of his moves - be damned.  The man has a plan.  I am reserving judgement until I see the product his initial moves produce.  Then, his response or reaction to what happened because of those moves.

This is the ultimate "wait and see".
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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:45 AM

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Why is a restart of Gary' s agenda a reset?

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I took that fact, plus the pin, to be brilliant satire on Banner.

Genius really. The Ignatius Riley of the interwebs.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:48 AM

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About what I expected.  We won't be able to tell anything until we see the product on the field regardless of opinions which number about the same as rectal orifices.

His reaction to what he has reorganized to will be the telling factor.  Like I said, fan's opinions of his moves - be damned.  The man has a plan.  I am reserving judgement until I see the product his initial moves produce.  Then, his response or reaction to what happened because of those moves.

This is the ultimate "wait and see".

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Wait & see indeed. Concur.

But if there is a plan being executed, I don't see it.

Any dots you can connect to any plan do not appear to be executed well. Now this may or may not correlate to outcomes. Wait and see indeed.

But the coronation & halo from August seem ludicrous now.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:17 AM

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I don't care about the uniforms as long as they don't put an elf on the helmet. Or a "B". Or an ugly dog. 

I don't care what they call the stadium.

Banner was recommended by the NFL to help with the search and hiring of the head coach, GM, and other front office people. He's been an NFL exec since the 90's and knows everybody. I like the Chud hiring, despite the fact that we've had no luck with first time head coaches (Palmer, Romeo, Butch, Shurmur). Norv Turner has been an NFL head coach for 15 years, so Chud will have a lot of experience to draw on.

Were there better HC choices that would have been offered the job and accepted if not for their dislike of Banner? Who knows? 

I like that Haslem was personally involved in the interview and selection process for the head coach and now for the head personnel guy, rather than just turn everything over to Banner like Randy did with Holmgren. 

I don't have a problem with Haslem and I'm glad to have an engaged owner for a change. 

As for Banner, I'm in a wait and see mode. He would not have lasted 15 years with a successul organization like the Eagles if he were running off talented coaches, players, and front office folks.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:21 AM

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OK, I just found out they hired Lombardi.

Haslem is an idiot. We're screwed for another decade. 

Banner and Lombardi between them will run the whole operation.

That's just great.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:25 AM

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Gary Reents wrote:
1. He whiffed on all of his top head coaching targets and had to settle for Chud. I like Chud, but as a statement of the Browns coaching search it ended up with a whimper.

2. We have all these reports about Banner. Players say he brought a hostile atmosphere to the team, he's a little napolean, likes to meddle in player evaluation, wants full control, and coaches consider him a disincentive to come here. Choose whether you believe it or not, but that's what's out there.

Yes, that's what's out there. Lennay was out there as well. Here's what I think I know: - We're told Haslam and Banner spent a lot of time with a guy who should've been finding the door after the first hour. Chip says, "Make me HMFIC." Banner says, "No." Chip says, "Good luck on your search." Heck, how did it last seven hours with Banner's (alleged) reputation? - Banner won't win any Mr. Congeniality awards and has a deathgrip on the checkbook that would make Scrooge go 'dayum.' Yet looking at the tire fire that was the week 17 Eagles, the succeeding tire fire of the Eagles' coaching search, and Lurie's victory lap yesterday, I get the impression that he may have been the one wearing the big boy pants in that org. - A week after the Chud hire and reportedly every HC position is filled. Does Haslam and Banner's quick moving seem as panicky now?
3. He just renamed Cleveland Browns Stadium to First Energy Stadium for a tidy profit. But we might get wifi at the stadium. 

4. He's going to resdesign the Browns uniforms. He's going to leave the Helmet alone I hear, but the actual uniforms are fair game. 

A big pile of 'I fail to care anymore'.
So...drop in and give me your...what 6 months...grade. Elated? A bit disappointed? Depressed?  Where are you. 

Me? About what I expected after hearing the first reports of Banner. Rookie Owner getting used by an ambitious and ruthless President.
Meanwhile, the rest of us take the data in stride and continue to adjust our opinions as they go along. Haslam's eager and out in front, but he's still new at this and it shows. Nobody likes Banner, but he could just be the adult this org hasn't had since, what, Policy? Accorsi? We won't know anything for positive for another nine to ten months or so. Right now, though, I have no reason to see the org on the same fail train its been on since Butch self-destructed. Chud's a good hire. Norv's a good hire. If we get Horton that's a good hire. Schreiner's a good hire. They kept Sandusky et al, and they were good hires. If Lombardi's role is to get Bill Simmons and other talking heads saying good things about the Browns, that may just have Grossi's head exploding but its not a horrible hire. Five-year plans are for communists. Just keep bringing in good hires, keep them in order, and keep building off of that and good things will happen.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:25 AM

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PROSECUTOR wrote: OK, I just found out they hired Lombardi.

Haslem is an idiot. We're screwed for another decade. 

Banner and Lombardi between them will run the whole operation.

That's just great.

Typical chicken little Browns fan. They got the man they wanted. Great job. haslam is a driverand winner. Have to wait and see.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 12:02 PM

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P:

I don't care about the uniforms as long as they don't put an elf on the helmet. Or a "B". Or an ugly dog. 

AA:

Don't care much about it on the surface.  But I care about the underlying principle.

And that is that more than most other franchises, Browns fans value their history and tradition (and for outsiders:  if you had a team that performed like it has in this century, you'd be yearning for the past as well).  And part of that is don't screw with the uni.  Giants, Packers, Bears, Steelers, Lions, etc.  many of the old school teams make very subtle changes, nothing over the top. 

And I do think the helmets would be a deal breaker.  Haslam would be looked upon as some sort of reverse carpetbagger.

P:

I don't care what they call the stadium.

AA:

Victor's House of Barbecued Bats Stadium?  Massengale Disposable Park?

Okay, nothing wrong with the name other than it's generic (and they don't even supply energy to their namesake).  

But the irony is that the guy fans viewed as the foppish diletante got it.  The name was traditional.  It couldn't be bought.  When ESPN announcers said "... to Cleveland Browns Stadium..." fans across the country didn't have to think twice "is that Buffalo?  Atlanta?").
Then the owner who's more involved and with whom more fans seem to identify, the guy who they thought was more likely to get it... doesn't get it.  At least that part of it.
Thankfully, he's not big on cheerleaders, and hopefully he's not big on Keebler Elves on the helmet.  Just don't think that because he's the Truck Stop King that he gets the fans more than the Soccer Dad.

P:

Were there better HC choices that would have been offered the job and accepted if not for their dislike of Banner? Who knows? 

AA:

That's the solace we can take after intimations that the new guy wanted to make a big splash.  I just hope that if Chud takes off as a real winner, we won't be hearing revisionist tales about how Jimmy Slim Jim had his eye on the Chudster from the start.

P:

I like that Haslem was personally involved in the interview and selection process for the head coach and now for the head personnel guy, rather than just turn everything over to Banner like Randy did with Holmgren. 

AA:

And yet when Lerner WAS involved in the interview and selection process (Romeo), people were upset that he didn't hire a real football guy to do it instead.  They seemed far more satisfied when Holmgren was hired to in turn hire everybody else on the football side...
and we ended up with the contrite AF pilot staying at the Hanoi Hilton.

As said many times over the years, there's a thin line between the disengaged owner and the meddler.  Different owners doing the same thing shouldn't yield different reactions.
 
PROS:

I don't have a problem with Haslem and I'm glad to have an engaged owner for a change. 

AA:

I agree that he's engaged.  Randy tried, but was ultimately just biding time until his ten years was up.

But being engaged may be overrated if the hires are questionable.  It's one thing when the hires look encouraging, but ultimately don't pan out.  It's another when they don't look that great from day one.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:25 PM

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1) I don't think he/they whiffed.

2a) Interesting reports, it is likely that the previous coaching staff who were all aligned with Holmgren were suddenly uncomfortable.  The coaching staff being uncomfortable may have resulted in reports that were interpreted as "hostile" atmosphere.

2b) Somebody has ultimate decisionmaking in every company.  Usually it is the guy at the top.  Banner reports to Haslem.  He will also be held accountable.

3) Maybe we get Field turf now.  Repaint the place.  Has anyone considered wind barriers in the corners?  I used to sit high in old municipal, under the roof on the closed end, and it was usually pretty cozy.

4) no comment without seeing the designs, I like what the Broncos did years ago.  Changed some things, kept some things.

Six month grade ........  Haslem has been very, very busy. 

I pause to think that he espouses consistency, then proceeds to fire everyone and hire new people; seems counterintuitive.  That part worries me after seeing so many changes, with all the new people saying the same things as the old people said when they go hired.

I am not disappointed or depressed, or elated.  I am here, thinking 'maybe this will work' just like I have been saying for 22 out of the past 25 years.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:44 PM

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Wait & see indeed. Concur.

But if there is a plan being executed, I don't see it.

Any dots you can connect to any plan do not appear to be executed well. Now this may or may not correlate to outcomes. Wait and see indeed.

But the coronation & halo from August seem ludicrous now.


Well in November I heard it would be Banner and Lombardi running the FO and a young coach committed to building a strong offense would be in place by now.

I am just shocked at how much kabuki theater we've been witness too.  The only legitimate pursuit appears to have been Chip Kelly who was their #1 candidate.  But they were having a lot of fun interviewing guys they don't appear to have been that serious about (ie. Whisenhut, Farmer, Horton, Gamble, Zimmer).  

Maybe Chud really was an honest hire but if so he's the only one that wasn't essentially tied to his position from day one of the Haslem regime.

So I definitely see a plan.  And feeding back to what I think were honest statements by Haslem vis-a-vis building a football organization that will stand the test of time, from GM down to players, I don't know that the HC is as important as the philosophies he's implementing. 

I do believe Haslem looks at the Browns more as a fun business to play with than as something he has a stewardship over.

I find that disconcerting.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:46 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
1. He whiffed on all of his top head coaching targets and had to settle for Chud. I like Chud, but as a statement of the Browns coaching search it ended up with a whimper.

2. We have all these reports about Banner. Players say he brought a hostile atmosphere to the team, he's a little napolean, likes to meddle in player evaluation, wants full control, and coaches consider him a disincentive to come here. Choose whether you believe it or not, but that's what's out there.

3. He just renamed Cleveland Browns Stadium to First Energy Stadium for a tidy profit. But we might get wifi at the stadium. 

4. He's going to resdesign the Browns uniforms. He's going to leave the Helmet alone I hear, but the actual uniforms are fair game. 

So...drop in and give me your...what 6 months...grade. Elated? A bit disappointed? Depressed?  Where are you. 

Me? About what I expected after hearing the first reports of Banner. Rookie Owner getting used by an ambitious and ruthless President.
I've moved on to utter despair.  Its like knowing an asteroid is about to hit the earth and destroy it in 2 days. All you can do is laugh at fate and take it like a man...because screaming and crying is no way to meet your doom.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:54 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
I've moved on to utter despair.  Its like knowing an asteroid is about to hit the earth and destroy it in 2 days. All you can do is laugh at fate and take it like a man...because screaming and crying is no way to meet your doom.

It's not that bad.  Unlike an asteroid even a poorly run organization can come up smelling like roses with a good head coach and a good QB.  Saints, St. Louis, Zona, etc.  Maybe this asteroid turns out to be pretty small and made out of gold, misses your house, hits your back yard, and now you're rich, bitch.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 2:30 PM

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0tter wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
I've moved on to utter despair.  Its like knowing an asteroid is about to hit the earth and destroy it in 2 days. All you can do is laugh at fate and take it like a man...because screaming and crying is no way to meet your doom.

It's not that bad.  Unlike an asteroid even a poorly run organization can come up smelling like roses with a good head coach and a good QB.  Saints, St. Louis, Zona, etc.  Maybe this asteroid turns out to be pretty small and made out of gold, misses your house, hits your back yard, and now you're rich, bitch.

Or, it could really be an alien spaceship full of desperately horny women that all look like Angelina Jolie and they have a serious attraction to 56 year old 5'8" guys that live in Tipp City Ohio named Gary.

Yeah. I like those odds.

But seriously, it will probably only be women who look like Jessica Alba

But to really be serious, I fully understand that utter incompetence in the front office doesn't mean a winning team might not show up against all odds. Its just not likely to continue because stupid is as stupid does.

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