Posted: 1/17/2013 7:40 AM
DougInParma wrote: Gary Reents wrote: redright wrote: To the EaglesLike some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ report-chip-kelly-named-head-coach-philadelphia-ea gles-172943124--nfl.htmlIn addition to Kelly, the Eagles interviewed Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, former Arizona Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt, former Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick, Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden and Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley. The Eagles had interest in Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly and Penn State head coach Bill O'Brien, each of whom, like Chip Kelly, decided to remain in college. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy was interviewed, as well, but was not a finalist in Philadelphia and was named the head coach of the San Diego Chargers on Tuesday.Yep, sure sounds like Luria stuck to his man and got who he really wanted, and not who he wound up backing up the Brinks truck for after all his other options either bombed out, passed, or headed to San Diego. Ayup.
Gary Reents wrote: redright wrote: To the EaglesLike some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:22 AM
Nasdaq wrote: G, they can't make the distinction. If they can't see it prima facia ur wasting ur time. For chrisssake Doug E Doug just posts a link acknowledging the Iggles determination to look at the world but still obviously working Cheating Chip behind the scenes as evidence to the contrary.For better or worse to be determined, Philly is in the back seat with their prom queen while Haslam is having excuses made for him. I won't change tune tho. Still glad we have the other 4 letter C word instead.
Posted: 1/17/2013 9:31 AM
DougInParma wrote: Nasdaq wrote: G, they can't make the distinction. If they can't see it prima facia ur wasting ur time. For chrisssake Doug E Doug just posts a link acknowledging the Iggles determination to look at the world but still obviously working Cheating Chip behind the scenes as evidence to the contrary.For better or worse to be determined, Philly is in the back seat with their prom queen while Haslam is having excuses made for him. I won't change tune tho. Still glad we have the other 4 letter C word instead.Again in what world is looking at Mike Nolan, Brian Billick, and Brian F. Kelly 'looking at the world'. Haslam and Banner get grief for nobody else interviewing Chud this year. So who the heck was even looking at Nolan, Billick, and Manti's non-imaginary coach? The Eagles interview process was a running punchline right up until Chip said 'Y'know, now that I've thought on it...' But, hey, now they've got the prom date. OK, sure, just don't ask too hard about the twenties Philly keeps slipping under their date's dress.
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HeadHole wrote: Being a prom queen can be the highest level for some or just a memory for achievers. The Browns may well be better off in the long-run with Haslam over Lerner. But he is a new owner and will have growing pains.No winners so far. Just data. And opinions. The real shooting-match starts later.
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Tony Dungy, the former Buccaneers and Colts coach whose son plays at Oregon, has a theory: Kelly watched the playoffs last weekend and became more convinced than ever that his offense can work in the NFL.
“I know all the players and everyone around the University of Oregon was shocked,” Dungy said on the Dan Patrick Show. “They wouldn’t have been shocked if it had happened 12 days ago because Chip had said, ‘Hey, I’m going to take a look at these things.’ And I talked to him at that time, we talked about a few things about NFL football versus college football and that kind of thing. And I was convinced he had decided to stay. He just thought he was in a great situation and I thought that was that. But I have a guess. And I could be wrong, I don’t know, it’s just a guess. But I’ll ask you, Dan: Could it be that Chip Kelly watched the playoffs and watched Russell Wilson run a little bit of his read option in the spread offense, and watched Colin Kaepernick run a little bit more of it?”
Dungy added that he thinks Kelly watched the playoffs thinking, “My offense is way farther advanced than that, and maybe if this is going through the NFL, it might not be so tough.”
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HeadHole wrote: "Maybe as this being reported too?"-- This isn't where I heard it, but it says what I was trying to allude to.To bring it around to a Browns point: So we then have a "new" Kelly in the post-playoff world. Perhaps a significantly new Kelly. A Kelly that Haslam wouldn't have encountered when he talked to him and then hired Chud. So now Philly hires this new Kelly and the fun begins as we see how he and Chud will do down the road. But if any of this is true, it does add a twist to any Haslam opinions that are based on his interaction with Kelly. I mean, if you are open to see it.Again, Kelly looks to me like he'd be a small-town car dealer if he wasn't a coach. Like Norv Turner looks like he'd be a high school math teacher if he wasn't a coach. Like Pat Shurmer looks like he would be a substitute high school math teacher. Like Cowher and Gruden and Jimmy look like they'd be media geeks if they weren't coaches. Like Belechik looks like he'd be living in his parents' basement if he wasn't a coach. Like any player, the franchise around the coach will determine much of his value.
Well arguably the difference between good coaches and great coaches are their ability to affect the value of a franchise more than the franchise affects their value.
Andy Reed is a case in point. Eagles were full of rudderless suck. He came in as a relative unknown, gave the team an identity, and made the franchise as a whole better. Sean Payton is another case of a coach coming in, giving a franchise an identity, and making it into something more. But while it's easy to look back on those hires and say the franchise did right by itself the more likely explanation is that some ****** franchises got lucky with traditional hires and landed a guy who could elevate the franchise from just another place to a real power in the NFL. Belichick is the most common example of that but in my mind the pursuit of Belichick - even to the point of giving up high picks for him - showed that the franchise was in great shape and made the hire that brought the coach in line with the franchise. Other examples like TB hiring Gruden, Jets hiring Parcells, Lakers hiring Phil Jackson, Indians hiring Francona.... Wait. Where was I.Right. Value added. What the Eagles just did was make a large bet on an unknown who may revolutionize the game or may go Butch Davis or Nick Saban and flame out in spectacular fashion. What the Browns did was the same as the hundreds of other hires where they took a lesser risk with just as high as a possible reward but not as much of a risk of total flameout. Whatever you would say about Chud he's been around the NFL for nearly 10 years (TE coach in '04?) so he isn't going to be shocked by the system, the pressure, and the day-to-day grind. But he may also be as effective here as Norv was in SD. Also I disagree with some of your descriptions. Pat Shurmer is a substitute music teacher. Jon Gruden works for the TSA at O'Hara. Belichick appoints himself dictator of the world and smashes all who oppose him.
Posted: 1/17/2013 3:19 PM
If Kelly is flaky enough to make a major life decision based on watching two football games one weekend, then good riddance. Sounds like some crap floated out there to provide some cover for Kelly and his new team to me, though. As for the Browns, it's really hard to reconcile the way this went down with a super-smart, very much on top of things, get-the-guy-we-target, management team. Supposedly Banner and Kelly's agent were good friends (which once upon a time was supposed to give us the inside track), yet we still went out to Arizona two or three days early - with much media attention - to prepare to be the first in line to meet the guy after his "big game." We spent 7 hours with him, which didn't leave us saying "No thanks, not the one for us" at all. In fact, we arranged for a dinner meeting (reportedly with lawyers and computers and lots of contract language present) to hammer out the final deal. Dinner turned into a midnight snack, which turned into breakfast the next morning, which - did that even happen? Or not? So we went home. So, having an inside track with his agent beforehand didn't scare us away. Meeting with him for 7 hours on Friday didn't scare us away. But we were the ones who ultimately said "Thanks, but no thanks"? Does anybody really believe that?
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HeadHole wrote: "Well arguably the difference between good coaches and great coaches are their ability to affect the value of a franchise more than the franchise affects their value."-- That is an argument. At some point, I'm not sure how you can judge these things accurately. Certainly a HC- in a certain context- can be a game changer. But there is the context once again. Some guys are leaders and some are followers and some get credit that really belongs elsewhere. Brady went down and BB took a life-long back-up and coached the team pretty well. Or Brady went down, a back-up became the starter and the team rose up to play well. Or maybe Brady called all the plays from bed and deserves all the credit for that year?You're right. Shurmer does look like a music teacher... At this point, I'd settle on Chud "rising" to the level of a Norv Turner for now. BTW- A HC in San Diego and now might be an OC in Cleveland? He must love the sport..
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