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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:14 PM

Chip Kelly 


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Posted: 1/16/2013 1:23 PM

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I have already seen the crying begin on other forums.

I'm glad we did not get him and now I get to test my theory by watching what happens next.

At the end of the day, nothing like a cash grab soft landing coupled with escape from sanctions.  This guy seems a little slimy.  Let see if that ends up being an asset or a negative at his new post.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 1:51 PM

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Bingo DS.  Eagles became embarrassed not getting anyone and I can only imagine what was given to make this happen.  Kelly is boom or bust.  We will see if the Vets on that team buy into a college approach over an NFL one.  I'll take my chances with Chud who is a lot more tried and proven in the NFL not college.  Chud & Turner give us a chance to make a solid offense.   They also will have a good feel for what to do with Weeden. He will be asked to be an NFL QB not something he isn't or may not work period.  It's all a roll of the dice and I'm happy with the hand chosen by Haslam and Banner so far.

My mother never breast-fed me. She told me she liked me as a friend - Rodney Dangerfield
 

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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:13 PM

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Agreed ham and others.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:16 PM

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redright wrote: To the Eagles
Like some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.

I did not want Kelly, but Haslam did.

Just a guy. With an anchor around his neck.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:28 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
redright wrote: To the Eagles
Like some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ report-chip-kelly-named-head-coach-philadelphia-ea gles-172943124--nfl.html

In addition to Kelly, the Eagles interviewed Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, former Arizona Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt, former Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick, Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden and Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley. The Eagles had interest in Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly and Penn State head coach Bill O'Brien, each of whom, like Chip Kelly, decided to remain in college. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy was interviewed, as well, but was not a finalist in Philadelphia and was named the head coach of the San Diego Chargers on Tuesday.

Yep, sure sounds like Luria stuck to his man and got who he really wanted, and not who he wound up backing up the Brinks truck for after all his other options either bombed out, passed, or headed to San Diego. Ayup.

Last edited 1/16/2013 2:28 PM by DougInParma

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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:43 PM

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You DP got it right too.  Since Gary said it he ain't going to budge regardless of what the facts are.  If he was their one and only THEY should have closed the deal then. But now I'm hearing him say WE should have gone beyond what we were willing to give to get another roll of the dice?

Just listened to ESPN too.  They said they went back to Kelly and had to offer more control.  Like I said.  They were embarrassed in not getting someone and gave more than they wanted to close the deal.  Stupid on their part, smart on ours.  We don't need another Butch Davis, Phil or Mangini with excessive power.

My mother never breast-fed me. She told me she liked me as a friend - Rodney Dangerfield
 

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:07 PM

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I was intrigued by Kelly as a football mind who could think outside of the box. He said all the right things about working with talent being more important than a particular system or philosophy.

But as a person, this guy is greasy. Either highly indecisive or a real crooked shooter. Both bad qualities in a person. Oregon is sad, Oregon rejoices, Oregon is sad. Kelly has no real relationship with that fan base, or he wouldn't act this way. And if he has not feelings for the fans, it shows his self centered nature.

Pettrino v2?

I'll still be interested to see what he does with the Eagle offense. But if his NFL shelf life is short, I'd bet it will have more to do with his shortcomings as a person than his inability to adjust to the NFL.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:15 PM

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DougInParma wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
redright wrote: To the Eagles
Like some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ report-chip-kelly-named-head-coach-philadelphia-ea gles-172943124--nfl.html

In addition to Kelly, the Eagles interviewed Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, former Arizona Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt, former Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick, Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden and Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley. The Eagles had interest in Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly and Penn State head coach Bill O'Brien, each of whom, like Chip Kelly, decided to remain in college. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy was interviewed, as well, but was not a finalist in Philadelphia and was named the head coach of the San Diego Chargers on Tuesday.

Yep, sure sounds like Luria stuck to his man and got who he really wanted, and not who he wound up backing up the Brinks truck for after all his other options either bombed out, passed, or headed to San Diego. Ayup.
When the Browns were out there to get Kelly, the Eagles were too. Kelly didn't really want to leave Oregon, and Lurie did his due dilligence, but he ended up with him.

Like I said, I didn't want Kelly. Haslam did. The story that Kelly was just using the NFL to get a bigger contract has been proven wrong. All it took was the right sell job, enough money, and the right situation.

We're told money wasn't an problem for the Browns. So you take your pick of the rest to explain what happened.

Fact is, some here were just wrong. Kelly was NOT using the NFL to up his contract with Oregon. He was not intended to stay with Oregon the whole time.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:18 PM

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I really didn't want Kelly (although I was working on talking myself into liking him), but I tend to agree with Gary here: We should hear no more about how Haslam is this "super-owner" type who "always gets his man" and "doesn't take no for an answer."  You can try to tell me that Chip Kelly wasn't marked as "the man" for this job even before Pat Shurmur was shown the door; but I'm not buying.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:45 PM

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Gary Reents wrote: 

When the Browns were out there to get Kelly, the Eagles were too. Kelly didn't really want to leave Oregon, and Lurie did his due dilligence, but he ended up with him.
Mike Nolan, Brian Billick, and Brian Kelly are 'due diligence?' Kelly didn't end up with the Eagles. The Eagles ended up with Kelly because the alternative was starting the post-Banner/Reid era with someone even less lukewarm than Rob Chudzinski.

Yes, Haslam 'didn't get his man'. Haslam's man knew what he wanted and was willing to wait until there was a franchise desperate enough to give it to him. We'll just have to wait and see if that's Haslam's anchor or the bullet he dodged.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:09 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
redright wrote: To the Eagles
Like some us said, Haslam is just a guy. Kelly is who he wanted and he just couldn't close the show, Lurie wanted him and went and got him.

I did not want Kelly, but Haslam did.

Just a guy. With an anchor around his neck.
SD:

There is couldn't sell it , and then there is really couldn't sell it .

We had every advantage over the Iggles in cap space  youth experience at Qb and a hotsy totsy rich owner looking to make a splash .

Kelley crossed himself  threw Holy water in Banners direction said a prayer and jumped in with the Iggles .

I pity them fools they won .

But its so perverse, your point is valid , that we lost the guy Haslem wanted because of Banner , yet because we lost we actually may have won.

Very interesting .


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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:21 PM

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I think Kelly decided this morning he was going
To do an about face and go to the nfl. I really
Think it was this morning or last night.
The guy is a flake.
Had we not hired Chud he may have ran
Back to ys today and blown your Banner theory
Out of the water.

He picked Philly because he needed the
NFL job today. Right now.

He's either in big trouble at oregon or he's
Just a big flake.

Wake me up when we are 10 and 6...

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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:25 PM

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DougInParma wrote:
Gary Reents wrote: 

When the Browns were out there to get Kelly, the Eagles were too. Kelly didn't really want to leave Oregon, and Lurie did his due dilligence, but he ended up with him.
Mike Nolan, Brian Billick, and Brian Kelly are 'due diligence?' Kelly didn't end up with the Eagles. The Eagles ended up with Kelly because the alternative was starting the post-Banner/Reid era with someone even less lukewarm than Rob Chudzinski.

Yes, Haslam 'didn't get his man'. Haslam's man knew what he wanted and was willing to wait until there was a franchise desperate enough to give it to him. We'll just have to wait and see if that's Haslam's anchor or the bullet he dodged.
The Browns dodged a bullet. Banner is the anchor. 

I didn't want Kelly. Glad he didn't come. Besides the point. This isn't about who we wanted or didn't want. Its about who Haslam wanted and didn't get. He whiffed on all of his desired guys.

I'm still trying to get people to have a realistic view of Haslam. The initial giggling love affair had him as some unstoppable winning force. He's just a guy. He has yet to show he's any better than any other owner.

And the reports about Banner while here match the reports of him at Philly. He is who he is and there's a fair to middlin chance he's a problem.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:28 PM

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mistero wrote: I think Kelly decided this morning he was going
To do an about face and go to the nfl. I really
Think it was this morning or last night.
The guy is a flake.
Had we not hired Chud he may have ran
Back to ys today and blown your Banner theory
Out of the water.

He picked Philly because he needed the
NFL job today. Right now.

He's either in big trouble at oregon or he's
Just a big flake.
Ah, but the winner. The guy that can get anything done. The super savvy guy that can put teams together with just the right people because he understands and can influence them....didn't pick up on the fact that Kelly could be wooed away from Oregon. Apparently Lurie never took it personal and just kept hammering away. 

I didn't want the risk Kelly represented, but Lurie wasn't the least bit scared. Apparently Lurie is a winner who won't be denied.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:32 PM

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Gary Reents wrote: 

I'm still trying to get people to have a realistic view of Haslam. The initial giggling love affair had him as some unstoppable winning force. He's just a guy. He has yet to show he's any better than any other owner.

And the reports about Banner while here match the reports of him at Philly. He is who he is and there's a fair to middlin chance he's a problem.
Yes, yes, we know, poor poor maligned Randy.

And if Banner wanting final say kept us from getting Kelly and if the Eagles opened the bank on Kelly to make a splash and throw an F-U to Banner, then, um, that says a lot about who was wearing the adult pants in that org.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:44 PM

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DougInParma wrote:
Gary Reents wrote: 

I'm still trying to get people to have a realistic view of Haslam. The initial giggling love affair had him as some unstoppable winning force. He's just a guy. He has yet to show he's any better than any other owner.

And the reports about Banner while here match the reports of him at Philly. He is who he is and there's a fair to middlin chance he's a problem.
Yes, yes, we know, poor poor maligned Randy.

And if Banner wanting final say kept us from getting Kelly and if the Eagles opened the bank on Kelly to make a splash and throw an F-U to Banner, then, um, that says a lot about who was wearing the adult pants in that org.
The make believe stories about Randy are just the flip side of the giddy love affair for Haslam. Fantasy. Not that there's anything wrong with that...anywhere else but here.

As to that last paragraph, your just rationalizing. Browns wanted Kelly bad. So did the Eagles. The Eagles got him, the Browns didn't. Lurie did better than Haslam. Period. End of story.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:47 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
As to that last paragraph, your just rationalizing. Browns wanted Kelly bad. So did the Eagles. The Eagles got him, the Browns didn't. Lurie did better than Haslam. Period. End of story.
Yes, neither team has played a down, we have no inside stories yet, but 'Lurie did better than Haslam'. 

A+++, would serious football discussion again.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:02 PM

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DougInParma wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:
As to that last paragraph, your just rationalizing. Browns wanted Kelly bad. So did the Eagles. The Eagles got him, the Browns didn't. Lurie did better than Haslam. Period. End of story.
Yes, neither team has played a down, we have no inside stories yet, but 'Lurie did better than Haslam'. 

A+++, would serious football discussion again.
Did Haslam want Kelley? Yes.

Did Lurie want Kelly? Yes.

Who has Kelly? Lurie.

I feel I'm on pretty solid ground here.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:27 PM

He likes Green 


Kelly just likes green.

The fashion as well as the bucks.

And now brace yourselves as the Eagles unis enter the 21st century with 27 variations.

But really, never underestimate the power of a major market and the very high profile NFC East.

Had Lurie opted out and the Eagles were on the market when Haslam was shopping, it might have been no different. 

Had Banner remained a boat anchor at the Race Street Pier, it may have made not a bit of difference to Kelly.

Didn't want Kelly either, though seeing the Niners demolish the Packers may give me pause.

And agree.  Haslam is just a guy with an anchor. 

But if he was just a guy in Philadelphia, even with an anchor, he may have gotten his wish.

It can be more than just the personalities involved.
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