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The Weisenhunt Staff Scandle

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:27 AM

The Weisenhunt Staff Scandle 


What we know :

Ken Wisenhunt was a finalist for HC. He was interviewed twice. He didn't get the job.

The Rumors:

Banner wanted say over his staff hires. Banner says not true. Whizz thru rumors says its so. I ask myself who has motivation to lie here? Would Whizz really care enough to lie bring jilted by.... The Browns? Or would a man trying to hire a GM with a reputation for infighting & micro managing and little mans non- football ego?

Speculation is the Browns didnt want more transition. Given they uprooted a successful respected GM & first time HC who felt with a lockout & no camps in transition year & playing 22 rooks or 2 year starters does that make sense?

The only unit that HAD vet talent & underperformed had the coach retained.

Cost has been also speculated. Is that true? If so, what does that mean about Haslam?

What does any of this say about Banner & Trey if Whizz is truthful ?

I fully expect The Defenders of the Faith to knee jerk & bleet and bahhh, so if you have to pollute PF with Big Board thought fascism maybe put an asterisk in your subject line so I & others who like to mull over the potential schenarios as data point without final conclusion but try to have them at the ready for future pattern understanding can skip them and talk as men while you fight over the Happy Meal toys.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:32 AM

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Whizz thru rumors says its so.    

The whole gist of this is based on this statement.
I haven't heard such rumors.
Got links or anything?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:32 AM

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Nasdaq wrote:

I fully expect The Defenders of the Faith to knee jerk & bleet and bahhh, so if you have to pollute PF with Big Board thought fascism maybe put an asterisk in your subject line so I & others who like to mull over the potential schenarios as data point without final conclusion but try to have them at the ready for future pattern understanding can skip them and talk as men while you fight over the Happy Meal toys.

That, combined with your thread title, is just way too unintentionally funny to be unintentional.

Chud appears to have say over his staff.  And the La Canfora report that kicked it off wasn't really clear.  It was clear that it was not issues with player acquisition.  Just staff.  That might mean something as simple as Whisenhunt wanted to bring someone along that the Browns FO had a problem with.  Or, if the follow up reports are true, this is much ado about nothing.

http://www.cleveland.com/brown...alks_broke.html

But call it a 'Scandle' if you want.  Obviously Whisenhunt stellar performance the last couple years and his hiring by San Diego mean the Browns really screwed the pooch.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:34 AM

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Its a veritable Patti Smith Scandal.

Exhibit A: Reid and Banner fought in a power struggle in Philly, Reid won a Pyrrhic victory.

Conclusion: Is Banner now gun-shy in hiring anyone that could possibly start another office war, or is the same coaching fraternity that felt Mangini deserved a lame duck season now more than eager to take out the long knives for Joe?

Exhibit B: Whisenhunt's offensive resume consists of one line, 'References: Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald.'

Conclusion: Was Whisenhunt adamant in bringing in his boys and his offense, and Banner and Haslam were looking for someone more flexible?

Exhibit C: Whisenhunt was passed over in the Steelers' last coaching search in favor of Tomlin. Haslam is formerly part owner of the Steelers.

Conclusion: Does Jimmy know things the Rooneys knew about Whis that were reinforced in the interviews?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:59 AM

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Whiz: I want to hire people I have worked and failed with before and I am not willing to bend on this issue. Even if there are more qualified people out there, I want MY guys in here.

Banner: **** off. These fans did that with the last 5 coaches.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:45 AM

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Who really cares ??? We have our coach, this is a non issue.
Mark Twain:  The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:24 PM

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TpostDawg wrote: Who really cares ??? We have our coach, this is a non issue.

If the front office is building a bad reputation throughout the league and is showing signs of inflexibility it will be a good thing for fans to understand it so they can target the front office as a place in need of change when things go sour again.


The idea of this being a non-issue is only true if it's not correct.  If it's correct it is certainly an issue going forward and fans should care. 

Besides which this is a football forum.  People care about the front office that runs the football team.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:52 PM

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Nasdaq wrote: What we know :

Ken Wisenhunt was a finalist for HC. He was interviewed twice. He didn't get the job.

The Rumors:

Banner wanted say over his staff hires. Banner says not true. Whizz thru rumors says its so. I ask myself who has motivation to lie here? Would Whizz really care enough to lie bring jilted by.... The Browns? Or would a man trying to hire a GM with a reputation for infighting & micro managing and little mans non- football ego?

Speculation is the Browns didnt want more transition. Given they uprooted a successful respected GM & first time HC who felt with a lockout & no camps in transition year & playing 22 rooks or 2 year starters does that make sense?

The only unit that HAD vet talent & underperformed had the coach retained.

Cost has been also speculated. Is that true? If so, what does that mean about Haslam?

What does any of this say about Banner & Trey if Whizz is truthful ?

I fully expect The Defenders of the Faith to knee jerk & bleet and bahhh, so if you have to pollute PF with Big Board thought fascism maybe put an asterisk in your subject line so I & others who like to mull over the potential schenarios as data point without final conclusion but try to have them at the ready for future pattern understanding can skip them and talk as men while you fight over the Happy Meal toys.
SD:

Whiz is unemployed , and was in the running for a number of jobs, so his agent has to get his side of the story out on why and what happenned that negotiations would blow up the last minute .

On Banner , his leak to Mary Kay shoots in the Browns side, spin or not , that it never happened .

Could the issue of Chud bringing the component of a Norv Turner , have influenced banners decision , to put some sheet in the game  in which he was able to hammer Whixenhunts  choice as inadequate , and the Browns discreetly changed in midstream to choose a more desirable candidate .

Who knows ,.

But one things for sure in business , it ain't over untl its over , as clients customers and contractors both will find a way to wriggle out of a deal at the last minute  if they deem the benefits outweigh the Black eye of not completing the deal .

Happens all the time , but not so much on the public stage where the press counts the sheets of toilet paper you leave after visiting the can.

The usual response is Banner effed up and we got sloppy seconds , but what if the Bastard was really that shrewd and that crude , he would cut Whiz off at the knees during a hardball negotiation and dump him and choose another route before the deed was done .

I'd have to check , but it seems Chud was in place less than 48 hours after they said goodbye to there one and only best choice , like maybe that wasn't the only one and only best choice , and the groom  gave in to his second thoughts and married his skank  office secretary instead of the high button high brow society nameplate , who really wasn't all that good in bed .

Myself , I view the not signing of Whiz who did nothing without Denny Greens QB as maybe a bullet dodge on par with the Kelley Scud.

YMMV


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Posted: 1/17/2013 6:25 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: What we know :

Ken Wisenhunt was a finalist for HC. He was interviewed twice. He didn't get the job.

The Rumors:

Banner wanted say over his staff hires. Banner says not true. Whizz thru rumors says its so. I ask myself who has motivation to lie here? Would Whizz really care enough to lie bring jilted by.... The Browns? Or would a man trying to hire a GM with a reputation for infighting & micro managing and little mans non- football ego?

Speculation is the Browns didnt want more transition. Given they uprooted a successful respected GM & first time HC who felt with a lockout & no camps in transition year & playing 22 rooks or 2 year starters does that make sense?

The only unit that HAD vet talent & underperformed had the coach retained.

Cost has been also speculated. Is that true? If so, what does that mean about Haslam?

What does any of this say about Banner & Trey if Whizz is truthful ?

I fully expect The Defenders of the Faith to knee jerk & bleet and bahhh, so if you have to pollute PF with Big Board thought fascism maybe put an asterisk in your subject line so I & others who like to mull over the potential schenarios as data point without final conclusion but try to have them at the ready for future pattern understanding can skip them and talk as men while you fight over the Happy Meal toys.
Here's my read based on information I've looked at over the last several months...

Banner and Haslam say the head coach will have roster control. What WE the fans hear is the HC will have GM powers. BUT, what I think Banner means is the HC will detail the KIND of players he wants and Banner will make sure he gets it. In other words, Banner does the selecting. HC will have final say who makes the roster...if he can stand heavy questioning and pressure from Banner.

Whiz heard the first, but when he began to talk about the changes he would make to the scouting and pro personnel departments the real deal came out. That caused some "discussions and negotiations" with Whiz insisting far too long. Banner then saw him as a problem and it was time to move on...to Chud...who thinks this is just the most wonderful opportunity...and they even let him have an office and a nameplate.

When all was said and done, the Browns ended up with a rookie headcoach that will need wise guidance and assisstance navigating the complex and grown up world of the draft, free agency and cap management.

Last edited 1/17/2013 6:54 AM by Gary Reents

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Posted: 1/17/2013 7:50 AM

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Lane and Fred have an A T I response I can live with.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:07 AM

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redright wrote: Lane and Fred have an A T I response I can live with.
Interesting choice of wording.
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